chaosblade
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We don't have any idea yet, they will announce things in an hour and a half or so.
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Apex 2015 has been evacuated due to struct damage - Some events may be cancelled
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We don't have any idea yet, they will announce things in an hour and a half or so.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
"I don't know how much you know about structural integrity and fire codes (I'm an expert)..."
Except they should have an expert hired for scouting locations. That's just common sense.
Edit: not saying it's Apex's fault, just that someone in their organization is going to be in trouble
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
These kinds of events tend to be booked close to a year in advance. Literally anything could change if the hotel is this shady.
From that review it looks like that is what happen. The review mentions how they had stayed their months earlier and things were okay.
Commanche Raisin Toast
Member
If I had flown over there and the event got canceled like that I'd be looking for some compensation for my flight at least. That's totally fucked.
Just exasperates the need for and expert opinion
orthodoxy1095
Banned
I'm not referencing the structural problems in any way. I'm merely saying the staff sounds shady and the hotel sounds disgusting. When we scout out hotels, we're usually looking for things like that, how clean the hotel is and how good the staff is. I wouldn't expect them to notice structural issues.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Not really. Unless the hotel collapses this weekend he was a douche who suffered serendipity.
Is there any possibility they could move this to Next Level or the Break or something? I've never been to either venue, and I'm sure they're not large enough, but maybe run a pool at a time or something so all the people who traveled didn't just waste there time and money on this unfortunate series of events.
To further expand on this, Clarion is owned by Choice Hotels International. It's their top of the line hotel brand. Other Choice Hotels are Quality Inn, Comfort Inn, Econo Lodge and Sleep Inn. Staying at a Clarion is supposed to be the best of the best without jumping up to a super expensive Ritz or something.
To further expand on this, Clarion is owned by Choice Hotels International. It's their top of the line hotel brand. Other Choice Hotels are Quality Inn, Comfort Inn, Econo Lodge and Sleep Inn. Staying at a Clarion is supposed to be the best of the best without jumping up to a super expensive Ritz or something.
SerTapTap
Member
Fire alarm guy was probably an asshole (or an idiot--it was apparently emergency doors which CAN be triggered accidentally...if you're really stupid) but this hotel needs to never host an event again until their shit's together.
People saying someone might have been arrested but it's hard to tell what's true just from tweets. I don't believe it yet but it seems possible.
You do NOT want in any case want to take the risk. Letting the tourney just go on and pretend nothing's wrong is is risking the lives of an entire fucking community. Get some common sense.
Yes, lets risk our lives for a VG tournament.
Honestly? From the photos I'm seeing of this venue, that doesn't seem all so unlikely. The ballroom for Smash 4 was condemned by the Fire Marshal, lmao
Squirrel Killer
Member
I'm sure the tournament organizers are qualified building inspectors who would've noticed the structure issues immediately on their walk through.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
What about if the hotel collapses anytime afterwards?
Hearing that one of the fire marshal's said there was a weak beam in the Smash 4 room, I don't think I'd want to risk seeing people dead.
Aaronrules380
Member
Honestly, given everything about this situation, the hotel is going to be hit really hard by this. Multiple staff have been arrested reportedly, and there's definitely going to be legal action against them
SpaceDrake
Member
This was discussed on Twitter - the problem is, there isn't enough time for waiting like that. This was going to be an enormous event - the Melee and Smash4 events are literally EVO-or-bigger scale. Four-digit entrant counts. They needed that space to get everyone through pools over the weekend, plus the side events, plus the Nintendo displays.
They need to find enough space and lodging for all these people, somehow. I can't even imagine how they're going to do it.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I'm saying he had no idea that the hotel was unsound and knowing it was shut down doesn't necessarily mean that people would have died or been hurt. Saying he saved lives... Yeah no.
IntelliHeath
As in "Heathcliff"
I'm glad that everyone got out safe and alive. I didn't really expected it to happens to APEX.
It's irony. It was most likely a prank, and then fire marshal's come out to investigate and find the building in the worst possible condition. So in ways, yeah, that dude saved lives unwittingly.
Aaronrules380
Member
This would've been really shitty even if they had said it was unsafe after the storm, since from what I gather that was still pretty short notice, but at least then there might've been the possibility to straight up reschedule the whole event for a few months down. It'd still suck, but it would've been a lot more manageable since most people could probably find a way to minimize the issues and change plans, which isn't really possible when everyone is already down there on the day of the event
SmartWaffles
Member
Damn this sucks hard. At least everybody is safe.
Are there any other reviews worth referencing outside the passed few days? To me, it sounds like the hotel had a rough week simply due to the storm and the staff wasn't prepared to handle it.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
That and they wouldn't have the issue of having all the setups trapped in the venue. Prog's deleted tweet gives some hope to the idea they will be able to do something somewhere else, but we'll just have to see.
Diablohead
Member
Just got home, wow this sucks but the hotel is bad for allowing the rooms to be rented out in the first place.
Gucci Messiah
Banned
Where are you seeing confirmation that hotel staff were arrested? I've only seen a tweet saying that the fire marshall stated arrests could be made. I'm sure the hotel manager(s) involved in this debacle will get fired (no pun intended) and that the parent company could have a lawsuit on their hands.
Aaronrules380
Member
The issue is that they straight up lied and said it was safe and that it had been inspected. If they had said it was now unsafe, the situation would suck, but it'd be a lot more manageable and it'd be much easier to straight up reschedule the entire tournament to another date
i am not one to toss the blame pointer around willy nilly , but if i would organize an event that would include a lot of people even months beforehand i would go and scout the place out ( multiple times even ) to make sure the place is up to date with safety regulations and structurally sound .
If for some reason i am not allowed to check the place out for the event , red alarm bells would already go off in my head that something is not Right here .
So why ,yes the owners should take the major blame for this , i simply cannot say that the organizers are totally blame-free.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Rescheduling is impossible. Hundreds (thousands?) of people made travel plans.
StrikerObi
Member
WHAT? You really think Apex should have hired an expert to conduct a through inspection of the building to identify structural flaws? That's absurd.
Why on Earth would any organization ever do that? Would you hire an inspector to do this sort of thing when planning a wedding in a hotel ballroom? (Of course not.)
Society has fire and building codes and government-mandated inspections for this exact reason. Building passing inspection, it's good to go. Of course stuff like a roof collapsing is going to happen, and the kind of structural integrity flaws that cause that likely would have been caught at their next inspection date.
This is incredibly short-sighted. A room in that sort of shape might look fine with nobody inside it. But what if it collapsed due to the weight of 1,000+ participants being in the room at the same time?
Funyarinpa
Member
Fortunate that a disaster was averted.
Unacceptable that such a thing nearly happened.
Unacceptable that such a thing nearly happened.
That's not really common practice. Even organizations like MLG and IPL don't hire building inspectors to check out potential venues.
I'm sure there's open event space someone moderately close by. The problem is probably figuring out how to get everyone there and the money to secure the venue on such short notice.
Is there a conversation going on somewhere? I'd like to help with this if it's a money issue. You can't have thousands of people travel for a Nintendo-sponsored event and just have it end like this. If something can be done, let's do it.
balladofwindfishes
Member
How exactly are you going to scout out if a venue is safe? Not everyone is an architect or engineer...
It's not common sense lol
shaowebb
Member
By the way...wasn't Nintendo supposed to announce something at APEX? I remember tweets from Apex saying something about there being something big. Has Nintendo stated whether it was going to be playable Splatoon,something else, or do we just not know anymore due to this disaster?
Anyway it goes this ruined a lot of things, people are at risk, and its likely really thrown a wrench into some stuff Nintendo was hoping to promote this weekend. Hope everyone makes it out safe.
Anyway it goes this ruined a lot of things, people are at risk, and its likely really thrown a wrench into some stuff Nintendo was hoping to promote this weekend. Hope everyone makes it out safe.
Delusibeta
Banned
Prediction: whole show is going to be called off. Seriously, I genuinely can see any viable way for this tournament to be held, since the fire marshal will probably ban any events until major restructuring work will be done, which will mean that Apex would have to get an equally large space immediately, and I don't think they can do it within two hours.
I would quote Murphy's Law here, but this clusterfuck takes the biscuit. There will be lawsuits, and I'll be genuinely surprised if said hotel is still in business in three months time (assuming no further collapses).
I would quote Murphy's Law here, but this clusterfuck takes the biscuit. There will be lawsuits, and I'll be genuinely surprised if said hotel is still in business in three months time (assuming no further collapses).
Yeah, I get that. I'm strictly talking about the reviews and booking there in advance.
Aaronrules380
Member
Yep. It would've sucked, and it would've probably hurt a bunch of people, and maybe even stopped a few from coming to the event due to issues with work or inability to get refunds, but in general the situation would be far more doable.
Honestly, finding a venue now will be extremely hard even if they try to minimize the amount of people who'd be at it by canceling some events and handling pools in hotel rooms, and that's without considering cost. It'd be cool if Nintendo tried to help front some of the cost for a new venue if they can find an option, even if they expected to be paid back eventually. That said, it's not likely and it shouldn't be expected
HawthorneKitty
Sgt. 2nd Class in the Creep Battalion, Waifu Wars
It was just Splatoon playable.
Yes. They even planned to do a panel dedicated to the Smash Bros. community and its future.
Aaronrules380
Member
Rescheduling now is impossible. Rescheduling earlier would've been very difficult, and would've cost a lot of entrants, but it's still somewhat doable and a lot of people could've found a way to minimize the effect of the plans and change them.
RageWaffles
Member
The parking garage already spontaneously collapsed a week ago. Seems possible that more of the structure could follow soon after.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
If anyone was going to manage to make due in this sort of situation, it would be the Smash community. Unless or until they announce the event is canceled, I have some faith they will manage something, even if it's far less than ideal. Events other than Melee and Smash 4 singles canceled, pools taking place in multiple locations from hotel rooms to McDonalds late into the night, few or no streamed matches, etc.
If they weren't able to get the setups (even if not all of them) that would totally grind things to a halt.
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