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Apparently any British soldier who calls himself a "patriot" or criticizes the left or islam is to be considered an extreme right-wing neo nazi

Cucked SoyBoy

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That's why they go around harassing people over Facebook posts and shit while ignoring muslim rape gangs.
Well, muslim rape gangs aren't really a threat to the rulers. The ruling class have bodyguards, gates and high walls around their neighborhoods. Their daughters are driven to private schools in limousines. It's lower-class chav girls with single mums that get kidnapped and pimped out by muslims. Those sorts of girls don't even exist in the eyes of the rich rulers.

Now if we look at right-wing activists, the rulers are much more concerned about these guys. They are a threat to the established power structure. They might inspire people to vote the rulers out of office, hold them accountable for their crimes in court, or even take matters into their own hands.

So, it makes sense that the rulers will ignore muslim rape gangs while coming after Tommy Robinson with all the fires of hell.
 
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Who has ever referred to political correctness as a left wing or communist plot??

To be fair if you answer yes to any other of those, then it's a fair shout you are a fan of the old Klan
 

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Who has ever referred to political correctness as a left wing or communist plot??

To be fair if you answer yes to any other of those, then it's a fair shout you are a fan of the old Klan
The 'Klan' exists in the UK?

I heard 'patriotism' as a usage does not exist, so how could the 'Klan'?

'Involved colleagues in closed social media groups'. Everyone is guilty, citizen!
 
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The 'Klan' exists in the UK?

I heard 'patriotism' as a usage does not exist, so how could the 'Klan'?

'Involved colleagues in closed social media groups'. Everyone is guilty, citizen!
No Klan

Other than the Patriot, clearly,

Didn't notice that last one,
 

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ITT: Americans

No self-respecting Queen saluting Brit takes the Daily Mail seriously. Or the Guardian for that matter.
 
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When did The Daily Mail get unbanned as a source on here? I’m not even saying it should be banned again, just curious.
 
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I don't really see the issue, it's not a text of law forbidding those behaviours, but a list of hints that should be considered when looking for right-wing extremists. So repeating common opinions and behaviours among right wing extremists would be a hint.
Just like if you were looking for islamist extremists, being a very devout Muslim would be a hint, even if there's nothing illegal with it and many devout Muslims are perfectly innocent people.
That's a good point, does anybody have the leaked list of things that would indicate left wing extremist behavior?

The spokesperson added: 'Exhibiting one or two of these in no way suggests someone is an extremist, and the card does not suggest that all patriots are extremists.
So it's really just like diagnosing a personality disorder? You have to have so many active symptoms to be an extremist?
 

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George Orwell said:
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Negative Nationalism


1. Anglophobia. Within the intelligentsia, a derisive and mildly hostile attitude towards Britain is more or less compulsory, but it is an unfaked emotion in many cases. During the war it was manifested in the defeatism of the intelligentsia, which persisted long after it had become clear that the Axis powers could not win. Many people were undisguisedly pleased when Singapore fell or when the British were driven out of Greece, and there was a remarkable unwillingness to believe in good news, e.g. el Alamein, or the number of German planes shot down in the Battle of Britain. English left-wing intellectuals did not, of course, actually want the Germans or Japanese to win the war, but many of them could not help getting a certain kick out of seeing their own country humiliated, and wanted to feel that the final victory would be due to Russia, or perhaps America, and not to Britain. In foreign politics many intellectuals follow the principle that any faction backed by Britain must be in the wrong. As a result, ‘enlightened’ opinion is quite largely a mirror-image of Conservative policy. Anglophobia is always liable to reversal, hence that fairly common spectacle, the pacifist of one war who is a bellicist in the next.

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Highly suspicious that Orwell doesn't see "any faction backed by Britain must be wrong" as an excellent political heuristic. To that we might also append "any author who's political writing is a staple of public high school curricula must be a sloppy, reactionary hack." Masters tools, etc.
 
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Highly suspicious that Orwell doesn't see "any faction backed by Britain must be wrong" as an excellent political heuristic. To that we might also append "any author who's political writing is a staple of public high school curricula must be a sloppy, reactionary hack." Masters tools, etc.
whose
 

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This is a good question. Does anyone know the answer?
To identify right extremists? It is a common trait among right extremists to say inaccurate things about "The Right"?

I think the list is fine, nowhere does it say that matching one point automatically makes you a right wing extremist. But if you meet many of the criteria, chances are high you are.
 

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I don't really see the issue, it's not a text of law forbidding those behaviours, but a list of hints that should be considered when looking for right-wing extremists. So repeating common opinions and behaviours among right wing extremists would be a hint.
Just like if you were looking for islamist extremists, being a very devout Muslim would be a hint, even if there's nothing illegal with it and many devout Muslims are perfectly innocent people.
So you think an official flyer from the British government would fly if it instructed people on how to identify radical Muslims and included a few commonplace lines like "wears a hijab', or 'seems very religious', or 'prays a lot'? Don't you see how including commonplace things switches a document from instructional to, well, political propaganda?
 

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So you think an official flyer from the British government would fly if it instructed people on how to identify radical Muslims and included a few commonplace lines like "wears a hijab', or 'seems very religious', or 'prays a lot'? Don't you see how including commonplace things switches a document from instructional to, well, political propaganda?
Well it's all about drawing a line between moderate and extreme behaviour. I don't think a hijab would be a good indicator since it's much too common among the moderate population. A burqa on the other hand could qualify. Praying "a lot" depends on what "a lot" means. Number of prayers may not be a good indicator since the standard requirement for Muslims is already 5 times a day, but if someone prayed more than that it could be another sign indeed.
All of it is common sense, and I don't see anything outrageous in the examples given above. Again it's not about judging people based on those criteria, but following signs that could lead to the kind of persons you're looking for.
 

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Well it's all about drawing a line between moderate and extreme behaviour. I don't think a hijab would be a good indicator since it's much too common among the moderate population. A burqa on the other hand could qualify. Praying "a lot" depends on what "a lot" means. Number of prayers may not be a good indicator since the standard requirement for Muslims is already 5 times a day, but if someone prayed more than that it could be another sign indeed.
All of it is common sense, and I don't see anything outrageous in the examples given above. Again it's not about judging people based on those criteria, but following signs that could lead to the kind of persons you're looking for.
Clearly lots of people take issue to the list for including things like 'patriot'. Convenient the list doesn't bother you, I guess. Tell that to the person wearing a hijab when the other list is made,
 

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From messages posted above, the term "Patriot" seems to have a different interpretation in British context, so there's that. At worst if some of the criteria in the list are too vague, it would only make it less effective for its purpose, but it's not really the end of the world, and in any case there's no "propaganda" there. But honestly, try to check three different boxes in that list and tell me that the resulting profile isn't suspicious...
 
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From messages posted above, the term "Patriot" seems to have a different interpretation in British context, so there's that. At worst if some of the criteria in the list are too vague, it would only make it less effective for its purpose, but it's not really the end of the world, and in any case there's no "propaganda" there. But honestly, try to check three different boxes in that list and tell me that the resulting profile isn't suspicious...
    • Involve colleagues in closed social media groups
    • Describe themselves as 'Patriots
    • Claim that immigration is the root of injustices against vulnerable people (e.g. old age pensioners, veterans)
Looks normal to me
 

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So you think an official flyer from the British government would fly if it instructed people on how to identify radical Muslims and included a few commonplace lines like "wears a hijab', or 'seems very religious', or 'prays a lot'? Don't you see how including commonplace things switches a document from instructional to, well, political propaganda?
But that criteria would only lead one to infer someone is a "radical muslim" if they're incapable of inspection with a nuanced eye and making deductions based on context. We already know the vast majority of people who wear a hijab aren't advocates of Islamic extremism, but it's safe to assume that someone who holds the views listed here are probably aligned with the right instead of the left.
 
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In europe the word patriot has historically been used almost exclusively by neonazis or extreme nationalists.
 

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No, it hasn't, who has told you that?
Living in Europe for decades and having an interest in politics. For instance British National Party members ran a magazine in the nineties called patriot, one of its main writers was Tony Lecombe.

The word is not as common in Europe as it is in USA (more frequently used in Eastern Europe than in western). Some mainstream politicians has used it in recent years, Marine le Pen and Geert Wilders. Some writers used the phrase “European patriot” in a warning about populist movements recently.
When I have come across people in Europe calling themselves patriots, the correlation with fringe nationalist groups has been very high.

In a European/British context there is a reason to look closer at someone using the word patriot, that seems absurd in the eyes of an American.

By the way, the soldier jailed for 8 years was Mikko Vehvilainen, you can look him and his group up yourselves. They are the reason for the guide in OP.
 

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Uhh I'd kinda hope that being a patriot would be a PREREQUISITE for being in the army. I don't want people who don't like the country being the only people in the country with the guns, bombs, tanks, etc.
These people use 'nationalist' as a 4 letter word. The left has completely gone off the deep end. Sadly, the right is too worried about offending them to fix this mess.

Let them serve as an example to the rest of the world. In 50 years, the results of acting like this will be clear, one way or the other.
The US will serve as a far clearer example that forced multiculturalism and widespread white guilt are massive failures.

Europe is WAY ahead of us when it comes to left wing crazy. They sounded like we do now all the way back in the early 80s.
They might be 'ahead of' us in terms of ideology, but we're way 'ahead of' them when it comes to demographic replacement.
 

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Living in Europe for decades and having an interest in politics. For instance British National Party members ran a magazine in the nineties called patriot, one of its main writers was Tony Lecombe.

The word is not as common in Europe as it is in USA (more frequently used in Eastern Europe than in western). Some mainstream politicians has used it in recent years, Marine le Pen and Geert Wilders. Some writers used the phrase “European patriot” in a warning about populist movements recently.
When I have come across people in Europe calling themselves patriots, the correlation with fringe nationalist groups has been very high.

In a European/British context there is a reason to look closer at someone using the word patriot, that seems absurd in the eyes of an American.

By the way, the soldier jailed for 8 years was Mikko Vehvilainen, you can look him and his group up yourselves. They are the reason for the guide in OP.

As someone born and raised from continental Europe, with strictly European ancestry, I disagree, the word patriotism is commonplace where I live, no one blinks an eye, except for those that don't have the interests in their host nation in mind.

Also, allow me to roll my eyes when I heard the word "populist" because 99,9% of the cases it translates to "democracy that we DON'T like".
 
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Who has ever referred to political correctness as a left wing or communist plot??

To be fair if you answer yes to any other of those, then it's a fair shout you are a fan of the old Klan
Just look at that layout. What is it? Fascist bingo?
 
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As someone born and raised from continental Europe, with strictly European ancestry, I disagree, the word patriotism is commonplace where I live, no one blinks an eye, except for those that don't have the interests in their host nation in mind.

Also, allow me to roll my eyes when I heard the word "populist" because 99,9% of the cases it translates to "democracy that we DON'T like".
1. My family has lived in northern europe for at least 6 generations. Why even bring this up? I love my country, I’m skeptical of the eu, and think the eastern expansion was too soon. That the euro was disaster waiting to happen and the Schengen Agreement should have had better plans for outer borders.

2. I rarely come across that word in Northern Europe. That the British army seems to agree should warrant at least some investigation.

3. I was providing you with the 3 most recent times I could find patriot used in European political debate. It was not my opinion, roll your eyes at Salman Rushdie among others.
 

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And the people who wrote this list directly associate with a mass murdering middle east state *loved* by the USA, that is not Saudi Arabia.

In Homage to Catalonia, Orwell relates how members of the same religious cult, who ran the communist party, used the *same* demonising trick against the anarchists and the trade union working people armed divisions. So Spanish communists rounded up the socialist trade union members and the anarchists who were fighting the fascists, and mass murdered them.

Wow- this religious cult really does only have the one tactic- mass murdering its opponents. Including fellow members of the left, when these people dare to threaten the control and power structure of the religious cult. Yet you americans love them, gift them billions of dollars worth of weapons designed to fight world wars, so these butchers can use the same weapons to mass murder some of the most helpless citizens on the planet.

This religious cult partners with the wahhabi horrors of saudi Arabia, and does everything it can to help Saudi Arabia wage war on every moderate muslim on the planet.

Orwell watched first hand in revolutionary Spain as a 'card' was created to demonise him and his fighting brothers and sisters at the front. Different time, but the same propaganda method. The religious cult behind the commies produced a poster showing Orwell's people having their 'mask' pulled off, to reveal a Hitler-loving 'facist' beneath. Google if you do not believe me.

PS notice the people here who attack muslims in general *or* defend all of 'islam' without ever mentioning Saudi Arabia or the wahhabi movement. The carefully ill-informed who debate without addressing the real facts.

In the UK, and across America, Canada, Australia, NZ and W Europe, all the major mosques are built and run using Saudi wahhabi funds, despite the vast majority of muslims in those nations having *zero* wahhabi connections.

Wahhabism is the hyber extremist islamic ideology witnessed with ISIS and Boko haram- both saudi sponsored wahhabi terrorist forces.

Yet the power blocs in the Western Muslim world (like Turkey and Pakistan and Indonesia) were once extreme secular modernisers- in other words muslims who dressed and acted like western christians. The regression in many muslim nations has been forced on the people via projects explicitly supported by the west- and indeed the most forward thinking secular muslim nations have been targeted for utter destruction (Libya, Iraq, Syria, etc).

At the current time, ordinary muslims are the biggest victims of all. Victims of hyper extremist pseudo-muslim fanatics like the wahhabis, and victims of the western partners of the wahhabis.
 
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seriously how much longer do we have to read somerset antisemetic rants?

They were entertaining at first, get into the head of a madman but at this point they are starting to get annoying.

We get it he/she hates Jews and Jews are responsible for all the worlds ills, oops I mean religious cult as he/she refers to them.
 

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seriously how much longer do we have to read somerset antisemetic rants?

They were entertaining at first, get into the head of a madman but at this point they are starting to get annoying.

We get it he/she hates Jews and Jews are responsible for all the worlds ills, oops I mean religious cult as he/she refers to them.

I think it is someone's conspiracy AI program using our forum to fine tune it.
 
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Somebody should make one for the left.

How to detect a left extremist:

They say more then once the following words in a argument.

1) Nazi