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Apparently Walmart is telling its employees to take down displays that show violent video games along with other violent media

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It’s called you still get to sell the same things but now you look like you care about violent media reaching kids. So a win.
Sure, more with a obese president that is racist.

Poor kids, living in that situation with violence even in the school.

Wait...they are reacting to the replublicans blaming violent video games?

they do the impossible not to blame the weapons and have a scapegoat in the most illogical way
 
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Given that Walmart stores have been the site of a pair of violent firearms incidents, yanking advertisements that glorify gun violence isn’t an awful idea.

I’d get the outrage if Walmart yanked violent video games from its shelves, but that’s not what’s happening here. And, if we’re being fair, games aren’t the only targets of this advertising change.

I can’t muster the outrage on this one, even with the whataboutism card (What about Walmart selling guns?) in play.
Yanking violent video games isn't a unbelievable next step you know. Unlikely, but within the realm of possibility.

This is how everything starts, very small. It's when one small exception is made, then next time it's 2 small ones, then 3, then a larger one, then a small and larger one, then a even bigger one. Nothing really big and sweeping just happens out of nowhere, there is a lot of lead up to it and most never even see it coming because it starts small and increases gradually.

All it will take is for one company to decide to pull them, even a not generally huge gaming outlet people associate games with like target then others will follow suit.
 

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I don't see anything wrong with this. They still sell the games, movies, etc. But if violent displays cause any unrest for people, such as shoppers with young children, there's no reason they must be up in the grocery store.
Given that Walmart stores have been the site of a pair of violent firearms incidents, yanking advertisements that glorify gun violence isn’t an awful idea.

I’d get the outrage if Walmart yanked violent video games from its shelves, but that’s not what’s happening here. And, if we’re being fair, games aren’t the only targets of this advertising change.

I can’t muster the outrage on this one, even with the whataboutism card (What about Walmart selling guns?) in play.
Yanking violent video games isn't a unbelievable next step you know. Unlikely, but within the realm of possibility.

No outrage here but Walmart obviously understand the correlation between guns and violence. Taking down posters is extremely stupid but if they think that will help stop people shooting each other, why don't they take it a step further and remove the utensils that cause this issue from their store?

If they really cared about peoples lives that is what they'd do but I think it's the Walmart CEO just trying to get browny points from Trump. Removing violent video games is not the next logical step to take.
 
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Only the cheapest I mean better valued weapons!
Like the 100 dollar shotgun!
Be sure to grab one and some Doritos ^^
I really can't believe it.

Buy a gun from a store like Walmart. I mean here in NZ i can go into KMart and buy clothing, a lampshade, deskfan, basically anything. But in the States i can go in and buy a shotgun that is likely right across the isle from a bunch of iPhones......WHAT ?????!!!!!!!!!!

Its unreal.
 
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I really can't believe it.

Buy a gun from a store like Walmart. I mean here in NZ i can go into KMart and buy clothing, a lampshade, deskfan, basically anything. But in the States i can go in and buy a shotgun that is likely right across the isle from a bunch of iPhones......WHAT ?????!!!!!!!!!!

Its unreal.
No, what is crazy is that you guys don't have FAMILY sized junk food.
 

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they do the impossible not to blame the weapons and have a scapegoat in the most illogical way
it is pretty logical. they are responding to current politics & market forces. they are doing what any business would do, reacting to the political climate. something bad happened in one of their stores, they need a PR win, and both Democrats and Republicans have at least partially blamed videogames, and they have displays up for videogames. they are responding to that criticism, since they sell both. is it not sensitive towards those affected by gun violence to do this? to decide against displaying violent imagery in stores that sell guns? ideally they would stop all gun sales but we don't live in an ideal world. this is at least a step. IMO we should be encouraging companies that voluntarily curtail violent imagery.

imagine if they did not do this, then next week, the media ran a scandalous story on how the same store has violent video games for sale, and some super violent display was used as the a meme image, and it kicked off a whole new news cycle about videogame violence. cos that would eventually happen. this is actually heading that off, this is controlling the narrative, this is what crisis control is about. maybe as people talk less about videogames they will talk more about the real causes of all this.
 
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it is pretty logical. they are responding to current politics & market forces. they are doing what any business would do, reacting to the political climate. something bad happened in one of their stores, they need a PR win, and both Democrats and Republicans have at least partially blamed videogames, and they have displays up for videogames. they are responding to that criticism, since they sell both. is it not sensitive towards those affected by gun violence to do this? to decide against displaying violent imagery in stores that sell guns? ideally they would stop all gun sales but we don't live in an ideal world. this is at least a step. IMO we should be encouraging companies that voluntarily curtail violent imagery.

imagine if they did not do this, then next week, the media ran a scandalous story on how the same store has violent video games for sale, and some super violent display was used as the a meme image, and it kicked off a whole new news cycle about videogame violence. cos that would eventually happen. this is actually heading that off, this is controlling the narrative, this is what crisis control is about. maybe as people talk less about videogames they will talk more about the real causes of all this.
Yes but in Europe, Japan and Here in Mexico, we dont use weapons and we consume videogames and we dont have this number of deads.
 

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Walmart are a bunch of scumbags. My friend told me they take the shooter class every 2 months and that they have shootings all year round. It is "normal" unless there are multiple casualties and it becomes a national story they'll just carry on like nothing happened.
 
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Speaking as a Walmart employee, while they are taking down the signs, I don't think it's for PR purposes, so much as to not remind employees that there were two shooting incidents, one really bad, in Walmarts in the last week or so.
 

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Speaking as a Walmart employee, while they are taking down the signs, I don't think it's for PR purposes, so much as to not remind employees that there were two shooting incidents, one really bad, in Walmarts in the last week or so.
Do you know if they have the shooting/ training video online?
 
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Walmart are a bunch of scumbags. My friend told me they take the shooter class every 2 months and that they have shootings all year round. It is "normal" unless there are multiple casualties and it becomes a national story they'll just carry on like nothing happened.
To be fair...the shooting did happen at a walmart...maybe they are being extra careful
 
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You keep saying there isn’t that many deaths and violence in Mexico. Stop fronting from Cartel-land.

I can go on liveleak right now and find countless shootout videos, with death there.

I agree with you about the cartel, but it is not the fault of the citizens, the real culprit was the presidents of Mexico, especially the murderer and coward called Enrique Peña Nieto and Felipe Calderon, among others.
 

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Why would WalMart stop selling guns?

Wasnt the gun used in the WalMart shooting an AK 47?

I havent seen an AK 47 sold in my local WalMart so I doubt he bought that gun there.
Probably a semi-auto SKS variant, I'm not certain, an actual AK-47 is a fully automatic rifle which is a banned automatic weapon. Also afaik Wal-Mart pretty much only sells hunting rifles that are bolt action. I might be wrong but I don't think they sell large caliber semi-auto rifles like most sporting good stores.

I think there's broader implications in all of this against video games as a whole and how developers react to this but it's too early to tell.
 

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Why would WalMart stop selling guns?

Wasnt the gun used in the WalMart shooting an AK 47?

I havent seen an AK 47 sold in my local WalMart so I doubt he bought that gun there.
"Why would WalMart stop selling guns?" It simply suggesting if they are as wholesome as they are claiming, it would be what they'd do if they REALLY want to make a impact (clearly they don't)

So that's the plan, guilt retailers into not selling guns since attempts to ban them have been unsuccessful?
? Plan? Walmart isn't the United States Government no more then K-Mart, Dicks sporting goods etc. Whats being stated is if Walmart really cared, that is what they'd do. I'm going to add you on the ignore list if all you are seeking to do is argue over conspiracy theory, agendas, narratives etc. No where in that post was it ever suggested that such a thing is in place of a ban, an alternative to one and or another solution instead of one or Walmart or other retailers acting in part of the government or anything like that.

I have no issue with what K-mart or DICKs did and suggest Walmart do the same as I don't believe we need retailers like that selling those weapons only to try to act all wholesome when stuff like this happens. Leave the sale of guns to those enthusiast stores that actually specialize in that so they can properly police themselves on those sales vs Walmart. I mean your post found one thing to argue a conspiracy over and ignored this " Let the educated enthusiasts have that market so they can educate, regulate and police themselves on selling guns" so....no where did I EVER claim or suggest this is some plan in place of a ban or something.


Stop forcing narratives to argue. Read what is posted vs cherry picking for agendas man.
 

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Uh okay parents will buy M rated games for their kids anyways. Most of them just don't give a shit about the warnings.
Too true. I remember when GTA3 came out. Parents and grandparents would come up to buy the game for their little kid/grandkid, we’d inform them about the game, and they just flat out didn’t give a shit and say “ my kids seen all that before”.

Granted, I don’t believe violent games beget violence; on the contrary, I think they relieve more stress and anxiety and serve as a nice outlet. But I ain’t letting my 7 year old play them. It’s more the language than the violence for me.
 
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? Plan? Walmart isn't the United States Government no more then K-Mart, Dicks sporting goods etc.
Let me clarify. Since the anti-gun people have failed to get guns banned their new plan must be to guilt retailers into not selling them. Must have hit a nerve?

Leave the sale of guns to those enthusiast stores that actually specialize in that so they can properly police themselves on those sales vs Walmart.
Wait, are you saying that all the guns used by mass shooters were bought at Wal Mart?
 

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Good. Not that I have a problem with violent videogames, but as I stated in a previous thread this will give SJWs a taste of what it feels like to have something they love fucked with by an outside group. I hope this crackdown on violent videogames continues in America & spreads like wildfire.
 
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You keep saying there isn’t that many deaths and violence in Mexico. Stop fronting from Cartel-land.

I can go on liveleak right now and find countless shootout videos, with death there.
Mexico's problem goes far beyond guns and you know this. Cartels will still get their guns even if things are locked down legally.
America's problem isn't with cartels, its with it's own private citizens who are mentally unstable and somehow still have easy access to guns.
 
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Mexico's problem goes far beyond guns and you know this. Cartels will still get their guns even if things are locked down legally.
America's problem isn't with cartels, its with it's own private citizens who are mentally unstable and somehow still have easy access to guns.
So you're saying that gun bans don't stop criminals from getting guns?
 

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Eh, doesn't seem that unexpected. They are taking down violent imagery after a violent shooting took place in one of their stores very recently, and it just so happens that most violent imagery in their stores comes from games.
The moment they actually stop selling them I think they'll be going to far.

You keep saying there isn’t that many deaths and violence in Mexico. Stop fronting from Cartel-land.

I can go on liveleak right now and find countless shootout videos, with death there.
What I don't get is why discussion about mass shootings is always deflected to gun violence in general.
Not saying that one is "less bad" or that one should get more attention, but gun violence related to gangs, criminal organizations or even isolated cases of one person shooting another aren't the same as some kid walking into a supermarket or school and starting to shoot people at random.... that seems to be a very US specific problem.

In my south american country there's a lot of crime and you often hear about gun violence. But it's basically always either related to criminal activity (gangs shooting at each other, robbery gone wrong, etc) or isolated cases ("jealous man shoots partner" or "man kills wife, kids and then himself"). But for as long as I've lived here I can't really recall a single time someone just went to some public space or event and started killing random people.

Deflecting any inquiry about what it is that makes this problem so US specific by saying "well there's gun violence everywhere" is weird IMO.
 
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Eh, doesn't seem that unexpected. They are taking down violent imagery after a violent shooting took place in one of their stores very recently, and it just so happens that most violent imagery in their stores comes from games.
The moment they actually stop selling them I think they'll be going to far.



What I don't get is why discussion about mass shootings is always deflected to gun violence in general.
Not saying that one is "less bad" or that one should get more attention, but gun violence related to gangs, criminal organizations or even isolated cases of one person shooting another aren't the same as some kid walking into a supermarket or school and starting to shoot people at random.... that seems to be a very US specific problem.

In my south american country there's a lot of crime and you often hear about gun violence. But it's basically always either related to criminal activity (gangs shooting at each other, robbery gone wrong, etc) or isolated cases ("jealous man shoots partner" or "man kills wife, kids and then himself"). But for as long as I've lived here I can't really recall a single time someone just went to some public space or event and started killing random people.

Deflecting any inquiry about what it is that makes this problem so US specific by saying "well there's gun violence everywhere" is weird IMO.
It wasn’t a deflection. at all.

It was between him and I with past stuff said in the same manner painting a picture of lack of violence overall in comparison, etc..

He understood what I meant and responded in kind to me which gave me a better understanding.

I believe a lot of it is language barrier as well with describing what he means.
 
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Soo instead of removing guns from the store/ads you want to get rid of ads for games like COD and possibly fortnite...... what the fuck is wrong with this dam country man.
 
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So you're saying that gun bans don't stop criminals from getting guns?
Are you talking about a single criminal or a cartel/mob? If you mean a cartel, of course they are going to have the funds and contacts to acquire illegal guns. If you mean a single criminal, if they have the right contacts they'll be able to acquire guns illegally but if they don't have the right contacts it will be much harder for them to acquire said item if gun laws were stricter.

But I don't see known criminals going on shooting and killing sprees in general. It's usually some mentally unstable no one.
 
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Buying games at WalMart is for normies anyway. 🤷‍♀️

I bought my copy of Modern Warfare 2 at GameStop, but I still remember Walmart's commercial for Modern Warfare 2. Its one of those things that just sticks with you. Not to mention the Call of Duty shirts you can buy at Walmart. Its an excellent holiday shopping season this year. The reboot of Modern Warfare of all things coming out in late October. I can only imagine it selling very well. Their marketing hasn't exactly been the greatest thing out there. There's typically something to show on the ends of the cases. Are they going to do what book stores do to porn magazines? Cover up the body with a green bar or something?
 
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Soo instead of removing guns from the store/ads you want to get rid of ads for games like COD and possibly fortnite...... what the fuck is wrong with this dam country man.
There's no equivalency between selling guns and having violent games or movies on display.





oh no better not looks at the guns. wouldn't wanna get nightmares.
 
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Yeah, I'm sure this is going to stop people who are screwed up in the head from committing mass shootings :pie_eyeroll:
 
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I don’t blame them from removing violent depictions of media but... it really doesn’t do much and it seems like it’s more political than anything. If they really wanted to make a statement about gun violence, they would suspend or stop sales completely of ammunition and guns.


Probably a semi-auto SKS variant, I'm not certain, an actual AK-47 is a fully automatic rifle which is a banned automatic weapon. Also afaik Wal-Mart pretty much only sells hunting rifles that are bolt action. I might be wrong but I don't think they sell large caliber semi-auto rifles like most sporting good stores.

I think there's broader implications in all of this against video games as a whole and how developers react to this but it's too early to tell.

recalling from reading a report(can’t remember what site unfortunately) that the shooter had a civilian model AK47, I think he mentions it in his manifesto too.
 
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I've bought several guns from Walmart stores. The process is the same as at any other gun store/gun counter. There's no more risk to the consumer because someone bought a gun than if they bought a baguette. On top of that, they walk you out of the store with the gun before even handing it over to you, at no point are you in control of the gun while in the store, except when you're examining it before the sale, and with a trigger lock on it anyhow.
 

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And how does that relate to the price of tea in China?
The picture of a fake man holding a fake weapon compared to seeing the real thing being sold directly in front of you. Really isn't that hard to figure out the disconnect between their actions.
 
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The picture of a fake man holding a fake weapon compared to seeing the real thing being sold directly in front of you. Really isn't that hard to figure out the disconnect between their actions.
A firearm is a tool. While it can be used as a weapon, it is not inherently one.
 

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A firearm is a tool. While it can be used as a weapon, it is not inherently one.
I agree. Just pointing out that removing "violent game advertisements" (which is rarely more than just a man holding a gun) isn't going to really do much to stop violence and is completely silly when you still can see, touch, and buy the real thing right next to where those advertisements would be.
 

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There's no equivalency between selling guns and having violent games or movies on display.





oh no better not looks at the guns. wouldn't wanna get nightmares.
I don't agree with blaming video games, but honestly this comparison isn't good at all. It misses the point completely.

It's not as if knives should be put away from the shelves if some knife massacre happened but if the packages of knives would have images of knives being used as a weapon in violent circumstances and if there would be video displays showing violent movies where people use knives then they'd be worried about those packages and videos.

The same thing applies here. It's not video games and guns themselves that are worrying for them, but it's the violent imagery for entertainment purposes in advertisement form that worries these people.

Guns are guns just as knives are knives and games are games. On their own there's no problem. But it's obvious that video games are the only ones that have imagery of killing people when trying to sell them. We can think that's not a problem and that's ok, but comparing them to the display of guns is dishonest. If guns would have action movies or images where and actor is aiming for a head shot of another human along and they wouldn't do anything to that, then this comparison would be more valid.
 

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voluntarilyy exposing people to this stuff is a good thing, hiding it from sight is not

the data on this is pretty clear

sad
 
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God I hate it when asshole politicians blame video games and music and movies for violence. They all look everywhere for answers except for the obvious explanation that's right in front of their fucking face. The pharmaceutical companies. You want some interesting food for thought? Every one of the school shooters over the last 20 years have been on some kind of mind altering drug prescribed by quote-unquote professionals.

Maybe if parents and guardians didn't dope their fucking kids out of their mind just because they're a little sad or a little hyper or a little introverted, we wouldn't be in this fucked up situation.
 

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Let me clarify. Since the anti-gun people have failed to get guns banned their new plan must be
I don't know, ask them. The post states Wal Mart, it doesn't state "anti-gun people". That is something you added in to force a narrative to argue about that specific thing. I'm even making pretty clear that what I'm supporting in Wal Mart or any big retailer ending those sales is so that way enthusiast stores with educated staff handle those transactions.

Stop trying to force this narrative man, its clear what is being stated and if you read the post no where is it even suggested that the point was to do this in place of some ban or something or that I'm anti-gun and this is part of some master plan or anything like that. Its simply you trying to make straw man arguments.

Wait, are you saying that all the guns used by mass shooters were bought at Wal Mart?
Nope. Walmart is simply an example. Why would I then go on to list every last store like Walmart that sells guns? I mean....my point in the post even states many stores and doesn't simply leave it at Wal Mart alone....

I don't believe we need retailers like that selling those weapons
That "s" next to retailer means plural as in many...

I don't know how much clear I'd need to be, I can't teach you how to read man, at some point you need to respond based on what is being said, not based on what you WANT to be said to argue some other point. I disagree with many on here on a range of issues, but what I don't do is assume their point, force a lie to argue another point and then start cherry picking a post to create straw man arguments. Its not how people logically speak.

 
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A firearm is a tool. While it can be used as a weapon, it is not inherently one.
Euh... Unless I'm mistaken, "The right to bear arms" is pretty clear on the fact that those arms are in fact intended to be used as weapons...

Please tell me how putting a hole in paper/ringing a piece of metal with a gun is using it as a weapon.
...This is your example? You didn't even go to hunting? Jeesh, so you think a gun's primary use is to shoot at paper, huh?
 

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But kids mainly play shooters and they aren't shooting up places because they play CoD or GoW.
Walmart is doing this because of the politicians are vilifying gamers again. That shooter that just shot up the walmart a week ago or so didn't do it because there was a chick with a gun in the vydia section Blinky.
It is easier to do because this comes after games were accused to be behind sexism, toxic male behaviour, rape, exclusion, and sexual aggression... and many in the gaming community went and still go after games with sexy / sexual imagery because of that supposed link.

So, if games can make you a sexist toxic person or worse, why cannot they make you a mass murderer?
 
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