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Apparently Walmart is telling its employees to take down displays that show violent video games along with other violent media

nush

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Please tell me how putting a hole in paper/ringing a piece of metal with a gun is using it as a weapon.
I've got no idea why a gun is exclusively the best tool to do that. That sounds as dumb and stupid as saying a gun is a tool if you use it to prop open a door.
 
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VIOLENCE IS EVIL!

...but please ease buy our shotguns right across the video game sections, if you buy two you get 20%off!
 

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I agree. Just pointing out that removing "violent game advertisements" (which is rarely more than just a man holding a gun) isn't going to really do much to stop violence and is completely silly when you still can see, touch, and buy the real thing right next to where those advertisements would be.
I'm pretty sure I never heard Walmart claim that, "we are removing violent ads in our stores, thus solving our gun violence problem in America".

No one is saying this is solving that particular issue or even attempting to. But, stuff like this is uncomfortable for some people. That's it.

The argument Walmart shouldn't sell hunting guns and equipment is a completely separate argument.
 

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Euh... Unless I'm mistaken, "The right to bear arms" is pretty clear on the fact that those arms are in fact intended to be used as weapons...


...This is your example? You didn't even go to hunting? Jeesh, so you think a gun's primary use is to shoot at paper, huh?
I replied to the request made of me. "Please explain the functions of a gun as a tool that do not involve shooting something with it." Hunting involves shooting something with it.
 

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when you remove video games but still keep weapons in your store then you are a fucking idiot...
 

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I replied to the request made of me. "Please explain the functions of a gun as a tool that do not involve shooting something with it." Hunting involves shooting something with it.
Hold on. You're saying this like it came out of a vacuum yet it was actually a reply to you where you said:
A firearm is a tool. While it can be used as a weapon, it is not inherently one.
First off, a gun shooting at a paper target as an example of a "tool" is pretty arguable as holes in paper serves no necessary function. If anything you should have said then that a gun's primary function is leisure/sport, but whatever (also shooting at targets is "shooting something").

Secondly and most importantly, you said right there that a gun is first and foremost a tool and is not inherently a weapon. So you're saying the main purpose of a gun is to shoot at paper targets, like above actually shooting at living things? You sure this is how most guns are used? I mean the army carries guns just in case they, what?; Want to put some paper in a binder folder? That's what you're saying right there when you say "not inherently".

My issue is that your original claim is just so blatantly a bad faith argument. Come on man, you don't actually believe this yourself and statistics say that's not the case.


It's protection, dude. It's to maybe shoot people with.
 
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I don't see anything wrong with this. They still sell the games, movies, etc. But if violent displays cause any unrest for people, such as shoppers with young children, there's no reason they must be up in the grocery store.
Walmart,Target, Bestbuy , Kohl's etc far from "grocery" stores but...Finally we're moving somewhat in the right direction 🙏
 

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You can believe in the right to bear arms, yet still believe in limiting access to what type of violent media underage children are subjected to without parental consent.
Wow. Study after study have shown no correlation between violent video games and gun violence.

Only in America does a vending machine approach to gun ownership supercede free expression in media. Seriously, where are these so horrific they'll turn your child into a mass murderer cardboard cutouts? I want to see them so I can laugh at right wing hypocrisy.
 
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I don't see anything wrong with this. They still sell the games, movies, etc. But if violent displays cause any unrest for people, such as shoppers with young children, there's no reason they must be up in the grocery store.
Yes, but Walmart has multiple departments. If you go to the hunting section you shouldn't be frightened by hunting signage. This softening of society is whats leading people to be triggered by people clapping or talking to loud. People living in fear of everything just makes the problem worse.
 

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Some of you seem to think we should just abolish video game ratings because "hey video games don't cause violence, lol walmart guns" They're not taking games away. I haven't been to walmart in years so I'm actually surprised their policy wasn't already like this. Why should some kid browsing the Nintendo aisle for mario see a trailer or demo kiosk showing this?


You can simultaneously believe video games don't inspire real world violence, and at the same time believe not all video games should be seen or advertised to kids of all ages. I've already made this point before, but you're not going to see R rated trailers when you go watch a G rated or pixar film. Having that shit playing among a stock of games rated from E-M is silly.
 
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They still sell alcohol. Last time I checked, there are more than a few alcohol related deaths each year.

Also, what about tobacco?

Smoking is the leading cause of preventable death in the U.S., causing over 480,000 deaths per year.
Secondhand smoke is a serious health hazard for people of all ages, causing more than 41,000 deaths each year.


Everyone is harping on muh guns, yet I wouldn't be surprised to find out NONE of y'all have ever spoken out against Walmart selling alcohol/tobacco. Why is that, hypocrites?
 
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Geki-D

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You can simultaneously believe video games don't inspire real world violence, and at the same time believe not all video games should be seen or advertised to kids of all ages. I've already made this point before, but you're aren't going to see R rated trailers when you go watch a G rated or pixar film. Having that shit playing among a stock of games rated from E-M is silly.
I think it's important to point out that in the leaked document most of the points are about not showing video footage. Bilderberg raises a good point that even outside of a shooting, footage of something rated M probably shouldn't be on display where kids of any age can walk in and see it. It would be like a video rental store where they sell everything from kids movies to porn having screens in plain sight playing porn.
 
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Hold on. You're saying this like it came out of a vacuum yet it was actually a reply to you where you said:

First off, a gun shooting at a paper target as an example of a "tool" is pretty arguable as holes in paper serves no necessary function. If anything you should have said then that a gun's primary function is leisure/sport, but whatever (also shooting at targets is "shooting something").

Secondly and most importantly, you said right there that a gun is first and foremost a tool and is not inherently a weapon. So you're saying the main purpose of a gun is to shoot at paper targets, like above actually shooting at living things? You sure this is how most guns are used? I mean the army carries guns just in case they, what?; Want to put some paper in a binder folder? That's what you're saying right there when you say "not inherently".

My issue is that your original claim is just so blatantly a bad faith argument. Come on man, you don't actually believe this yourself and statistics say that's not the case.


It's protection, dude. It's to maybe shoot people with.
A gun is a tool that propels a projectile from it. What you use it for is dependent on its user.

Very few of the 400 million guns in America will ever be used shoot at a living creature, even taking account of how many hunters there are.
 

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A gun is a tool that propels a projectile from it. What you use it for is dependent on its user.
By this definition your original point is moot as now you're clearly just hiding behind a literal definition of a gun's function, ultimately saying a weapon is just a tool. Your logic is also silly and can be used to 'soften the edges' of any weapon; An IED is a tool that sends shrapnel in all directions after an explosion. What you use it for is dependent on its user.
Very few of the 400 million guns in America will ever be used shoot at a living creature, even taking account of how many hunters there are.
Whilst this is true, stats say most guns are purchased with the intention of being used as a self defence weapon. Even if people never have to use their gun that is their intention. They aren't being bought as a tool "to shoot holes in paper".

Man, I can't believe you followed up with an even worst bad faith argument.
 

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LOL. Take down the signs for violent video games and videos, but keep selling the guns. Makes sense... :goog_confused:
 

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Wow. Study after study have shown no correlation between violent video games and gun violence.

Only in America does a vending machine approach to gun ownership supercede free expression in media. Seriously, where are these so horrific they'll turn your child into a mass murderer cardboard cutouts? I want to see them so I can laugh at right wing hypocrisy.
We are arguing two different things. I let my kids play shooters, etc. That doesn't give me the right to demand YOU let YOUR kid do the same.
 

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I'm pretty sure I never heard Walmart claim that, "we are removing violent ads in our stores, thus solving our gun violence problem in America".

No one is saying this is solving that particular issue or even attempting to. But, stuff like this is uncomfortable for some people. That's it.

The argument Walmart shouldn't sell hunting guns and equipment is a completely separate argument.
The only people who are "uncomfortable" about this are folks who are completely mental. Clearly we can't show fake guns or fake violence, but films? Books? Actual physical guns? Those are all fine!

Your continued defense of this lunacy is silly and you really need to open your eyes, mate.
 
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They still sell alcohol. Last time I checked, there are more than a few alcohol related deaths each year.

Also, what about tobacco?

Smoking is the leading cause of preventable death in the U.S., causing over 480,000 deaths per year.
Secondhand smoke is a serious health hazard for people of all ages, causing more than 41,000 deaths each year.


Everyone is harping on muh guns, yet I wouldn't be surprised to find out NONE of y'all have ever spoken out against Walmart selling alcohol/tobacco. Why is that, hypocrites?
I've heard that Canada has some serious smoking massacre incidents, it's crazy!
 
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They still sell alcohol. Last time I checked, there are more than a few alcohol related deaths each year.

Also, what about tobacco?

Smoking is the leading cause of preventable death in the U.S., causing over 480,000 deaths per year.
Secondhand smoke is a serious health hazard for people of all ages, causing more than 41,000 deaths each year.


Everyone is harping on muh guns, yet I wouldn't be surprised to find out NONE of y'all have ever spoken out against Walmart selling alcohol/tobacco. Why is that, hypocrites?
With alcohol and tobacco you kill yourself, with guns you kill others, is not that difficult to understand.

Not defending neither, but you are comparing oranges to apples.
 

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A gun is a tool that propels a projectile from it. What you use it for is dependent on its user.

Very few of the 400 million guns in America will ever be used shoot at a living creature, even taking account of how many hunters there are.
Gun is a weapon. You can use it for other things but its still a weapon.
 

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With alcohol and tobacco you kill yourself, with guns you kill others, is not that difficult to understand.

Not defending neither, but you are comparing oranges to apples.
Apparently it is, because that's not true at all. People are killed every single day by drunk drivers. Also, if you would have read my post you would have seen the stat that second hand smoke kills more than 41,000 people each year. Do you know how many homicides there are each year? According to wikipedia, there were around 15,000 in 2017.

I've heard that Canada has some serious smoking massacre incidents, it's crazy!
Clearly you didn't read my post either.
 
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Esppiral

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We are talking about mass murders, I haven't seen, ever, someone killing people with cigarettes.
 
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We are talking about mass murders, I haven't seen, ever, someone killing people with cigarettes.
Are you being dense? Do you not know what second hand smoke is? Also, if you want to talk about mass murders, what do you call 112 deaths in one day? That's how many people die of second hand smoke every single day, but you are far more concerned with guns because....reasons? Because the media tells you to be? Because your "political side" tells you to be? Lol, ok whatever dude.
 
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The only people who are "uncomfortable" about this are folks who are completely mental. Clearly we can't show fake guns or fake violence, but films? Books? Actual physical guns? Those are all fine!

Your continued defense of this lunacy is silly and you really need to open your eyes, mate.
First, of all, this is for everything - not just games.

Second, this is only for in-store displays. If Walmart was flat out not selling these games, films, etc, it would be a different story. This is only for Rated R or M stuff that pertains to violence being displayed in large poster format.

I'm sorry, but this is a stupid thing to get outraged over. Mate.
 

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First, of all, this is for everything - not just games.

Second, this is only for in-store displays. If Walmart was flat out not selling these games, films, etc, it would be a different story. This is only for Rated R or M stuff that pertains to violence being displayed in large poster format.

I'm sorry, but this is a stupid thing to get outraged over. Mate.
Not outraged. Just pointing out the lack of logic in this move.
 

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As a Canadian it's a head-scratcher that Walmart in the US would be so delicate about showing ads for showing violence in media yet carry guns in the store. Hey, don't play Call of Duty, but here's a gun so you can shoot people for real!

For that matter, the casual access to guns in the US is odd in its own right... it seems wrong to sell deadly weapons right across from the TVs and potato chips.
 

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As a Canadian it's a head-scratcher that Walmart in the US would be so delicate about showing ads for showing violence in media yet carry guns in the store. Hey, don't play Call of Duty, but here's a gun so you can shoot people for real!

For that matter, the casual access to guns in the US is odd in its own right... it seems wrong to sell deadly weapons right across from the TVs and potato chips.
Is it wrong to sell alcohol and tobacco right across from the TVs and potato chips?
 

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Is it wrong to sell alcohol and tobacco right across from the TVs and potato chips?
Only if the bottles and packs look like guns. You don't expect anti-gun folks to stop drinking do you?
 

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Y’all know there are things to do with guns besides shooting people, right?

Guns don’t necessarily imply violence.
 
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Is it wrong to sell alcohol and tobacco right across from the TVs and potato chips?
Arguably, yes. Here in Ontario you only see very limited sales of beer in non-dedicated stores, and it's usually the alcohol-free stuff. And cigarettes tend to be sold only in very narrow circumstances -- you usually have to go to a counter and ask for them.

The point is that guns aren't really treated with enough gravity in the US. You can buy a shotgun at the same place you get your groceries and kids' toys... doesn't that sound messed up to you?
 

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Y’all know there are things to do with guns besides shooting people, right?

Guns don’t necessarily imply violence.
Er, wait, what?

Guns are designed to hurt living beings. You know, violence. Just because you can plink paper targets with them doesn't change what they're designed for. You're not using them to open soup cans or fix your car.
 

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Er, wait, what?

Guns are designed to hurt living beings. You know, violence. Just because you can plink paper targets with them doesn't change what they're designed for. You're not using them to open soup cans or fix your car.
It is violence that implies guns, knives, rocks, cars, fists, bombs, etc.
 
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Er, wait, what?

Guns are designed to hurt living beings. You know, violence. Just because you can plink paper targets with them doesn't change what they're designed for. You're not using them to open soup cans or fix your car.
Gun is just a gun. Its neither violent or non-violent, it can be used for violence just like basically anything else but its not violent by sitting on a shelf. A movie or game, or display can show violence or acts of violence, a gun isn't really that unless its shown in an act.

Its not really that difficult.
 
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It is violence that implies guns, knives, rocks, cars, fists, bombs, etc.
The difference is that some of those things are designed as weapons. Others are either not or makeshift weapons in a pinch. I don't even think Walmart should stop selling guns or even hide them but this argument that "guns are tools, not weapons" is just silly and as I've said before, reeks of bad faith argumentation.

Now to my understanding Walmart only sells hunting guns, like single shot rifles & shotguns. They don't sell ARs or automatic weapons and they actually stopped selling handguns in response to another mass shooting. In that regard Walmart are actually being a good faith actor. A lot of people are also overlooking the fact that the leaked document actually says that they should also stop showing hunting videos (guns in action), just like video game footage.

They aren't not selling violent video games, they're just hiding footage of them.
They aren't not selling gun, they're just hiding footage of them.

This seems fair to me. Any other actions in regards to guns needs to be done on a political level, it's not Walmart's debate and they don't really need to do anything more than what they already have done.
 
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