Mr Hyde
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What´s the matter, cat got your tongue, hypocrite?
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Are people who whine about console prices a bit ridiculous?
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What´s the matter, cat got your tongue, hypocrite?
Cliff Underside
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lol gtfo of here op, most people where I live don't even make 500 dollars a month. Can't afford rent let alone an overpriced console with an even more expensive games catalog. You live in a fairytale world were everyone is an employed first world professional And even if they were 500$ is still a lot of cash for a toy.
VlaudTheImpaler
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"We want for consumers to think to themselves 'I will work more hours to buy one'. We want people to feel that they want it, irrespective of anything else." - Ken Kutaragi
BlackOlivesMatter
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The cost is irrelevant to me. The amount of time spent and enjoyment I received from the ps4, the 360 before that, the ps2 before that, etc etc etc is a drop in the bucket.
I'm sure the next round will be $499 or less when released and I would gladly pay even more to have a bigger ssd for example.
I'm sure the next round will be $499 or less when released and I would gladly pay even more to have a bigger ssd for example.
Arkam
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Honestly consoles are a great bang for the buck. Even if this gen is north of $500 it would be money better spent than upgrading my PC. That's why I always buy consoles at launch and upgrade my PC mid gen.
The only downside to this is that spend three years building up my muscle memory for controllers... then go back to mouse/keyboard build those up three years.... and so on.
Also this question is very different if you are kid/student vs an old fart professional.
The only downside to this is that spend three years building up my muscle memory for controllers... then go back to mouse/keyboard build those up three years.... and so on.
Also this question is very different if you are kid/student vs an old fart professional.
PocoJoe
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Yes, because average consumer (human) is stupid and "half" are even less smart.
If masses would be sensible, they would not pay 1500e for iphones, 1000e for some retarded Supreme shirt because it is so cool to pay 1000e for 10e product, masses consume like idiots.
So why consoles must be some kind of special case? Are people that play games smarter or more aware because they would not like to pay for better specs? probably not as Nintendo sells shitty hardware and copy pasted marios gen after gen.
I would claim that there are less sensible adults than non-sensible.
Yes it is true that if consoles dont sell enough it is bad, but it is kind of sad that people whom probably spend on average much more into really stupid and useless thing things/services hold back the industry by childish "boohoo I dont wanna pay more than 399!!!"
Things like eating at restaurants, driving to work instead of walking/cycling (if you live less than 10km away), using alcohol / drugs, going to nightclubs, buying stuff because they have popular brand (clothing / phones etc), have many streaming services at the same time, buy huge ass car (like americans do?) instead of smaller quality car like Japanese cars that dont drink petrol like beer. Most of these are unnecessary and way too many people spend more than console would cost in 1-4 weeks to this stuff.
So yes, it is wrong to have opinion that is "console cant cost 499-699", just do what SENSIBLE persons do: start saving months/year before the release, stop wasting money to things I mentioned above = most 1st world citizens can afford it easily.
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Cliff Underside
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No, because they're too expensive. I get it, they're luxury goods, I'm not saying videogame consoles are a universal human right. But for a big portion of the target demographic consoles are simply not affordable, which answer's op's question with a resounding "no, you deluded fool". Personally, I don't care, I'm not a console guy, but that doesn't stop me from finding this thread ridiculous.
Blond
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I think we just have to admit that Neogaf is an outlier. A 1/3 to half of the gaming audience are all kids relying on Mommy and Daddy to buy it for them and I remember when the 360 launch my parents put their foot-down and made me get a job since "They're so expensive now compared to before" And they gave me 200 bucks for Christmas and said find a job to earn the rest, which I did. They need to launch the prices to make parents and teenagers who do most of the buying appealing since I doubt (Except for Gamer parents) any parents look at a console and think anything more than "Why am I spending this much so he can play video games!?"
No one in their right mind can honestly say in hindsight the PS3 launching at 599 US Dollars wasn't worth the money considering the loss they were taking just including the features in it. If you bought it at launch you got a large hard drive, free PSN, the cheapest and arguably still one of the best blu-ray players on the market, built in wireless, a controller with a battery that lasted for 20 hours and the ability to retire pretty much every playstation console you had up to that point.
"BUT IT'S SO EXPENSIVE AND MY PARENTS WONT BUY ME ONE!"
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Romulus
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I just think it's insane how $399 is great but another $100 and people lose their minds and act like it's an apocalyptic situation. $100 to future proof something you'll use for 5+ years and not make it a colossal POS like the xb1/ps4 was. $499 even seems like it would gimp it. A 1080ti isn't future proof and it's what, $380 by itself or more? Just for a GPU lol
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DynamiteCop!
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Yeah for real, say whatever you will about Sony or Microsoft but take the Xbox One X and PlayStation 4 Pro. The X is a substantially better piece of hardware with more potential longevity merely by the fact that this $100 price difference was able to afford it substantially better components.
The results when properly addressed are night and day. This uptick in compute could easily give it another 18 to 24 months of rendering relevance that would simply cripple the Pro.
KingdomHeartsFan
Member
LOL I'm not paying $800-950 CAD for a console, that's just ridiculous. They launch at that price no one in Canada will buy their console.
DynamiteCop!
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If they forced their position by launching in parity or near it people would buy them, and they'd really think about why they cost what they do. Take the GPU market for example, the baseline for high end was $500 15 years ago, now it's more in the range of $700.
Did people throw a fit? Did they act like entitled children? No, they realize the costs have gone up, the value of money has gone down, over time the nominal value has to increase to remain in parity with this scaling. My dad bought a 1967 427 Corvette Stingray new for $4,200, do you know what the comparable car would cost now in this same line? About $130,000, that's just the way things go, so frankly I don't give a shit if you'd buy it or not as much as I care about the market being artificially stifled by an illogical grasp on economical upturn.
People like you hold back innovation, you hold back potential because you have little care for these things. Frankly people such as yourself should be second or third year buyers, not those trying to dictate the launch price of something.
KingdomHeartsFan
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Lol these consoles are worldwide products, not american only. They have to appeal to multiple countries, yes that includes Canada and Australia, etc. The fact that you think Canadians would pay that is hilarious your clearly talking out of your ass. If someone like me that posts on a video game forum wouldn't pay that the majority of people are gonna laugh at that price. Get out of your bubble.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Most things go up in price over time.
Consoles have been pigeonholed in that $400-ish price to do well since 360/PS3. Before that, consoles were $200-300 (except Saturn, 3DO, NG). SO gamers at the time were willing to bump up $100+. It's now 2020, will gamers all join hands and bump up another $100 and make $500 stick?
Some products go up, some things stay put. We'll see if Sony and MS test the waters with $500+. MS already did it with X.
Hey, I can still get bags of apples and oranges on deal for $1/lb. Been like that 25 years.
Consoles have been pigeonholed in that $400-ish price to do well since 360/PS3. Before that, consoles were $200-300 (except Saturn, 3DO, NG). SO gamers at the time were willing to bump up $100+. It's now 2020, will gamers all join hands and bump up another $100 and make $500 stick?
Some products go up, some things stay put. We'll see if Sony and MS test the waters with $500+. MS already did it with X.
Hey, I can still get bags of apples and oranges on deal for $1/lb. Been like that 25 years.
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Trimesh
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And you're missing the point, which is that it had a very slow start launching at that price. Sure, you got a lot of hardware for the money, but outside of the sort of people who post on sites like this there aren't that many people that will spend $600 on a toy - you need substantial early takeup to get people interested in the platform, and the PS3 really didn't have it.
You also had the problems with the BR drives on the CECHA and CECHB consoles - although honestly at this point bad optical drives on the launch models of Sony consoles seems to something of a tradition (the PS4 was the first Sony console I got where the optical drive didn't fail within the warranty - instead, it failed just outside the warranty. I'm not sure if this is an improvement or not!).
Ingeniero
Member
Exactly.
$100 increase is not that much all things considered.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
It is though......
..... for those gamers who can't figure out how to save $100 over a few years leading up to launch, and are willing to use all their money in their bank account to buy $700-800 worth of hardware and new games..... but are short $100.
Blond
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It actually didn't have a slow start. The math shows that it push a million units faster than the 360 and was selling faster than it as well. The 360 had 4 million unit head start that by the end of it's life was slowing down till the Kinect meme brought it additional units. The 360 was the fat kid in the gym you give a 10 second head start to be "fair" till the more athletic kids could catch up and eventually beat it.
The X360 already pushed 5 million units by the time the PS3 launched. In fact, if you dig through you'll see that the PS3 pushed it's initial 1 million units faster than the 360.
Xbox 360
Xbox 360 (codenamed Xenon[1]) is Microsoft's successor to the original Xbox and competes in the Seventh generation of video games. It competes directly with the PlayStation 3 and the Nintendo Wii. It will be succeeded by the Xbox One. The Xbox 360 was released on November 22, 2005, in the United...
PlayStation 3
The PlayStation 3 is Sony's system for gaming's seventh generation. It competed with the Xbox 360 and Wii. It is the successor to the PlayStation 2. Its successor is the PlayStation 4. Main article: Production costs Since the system's launch, production costs have been reduced significantly as a...
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Potato Chip PRO
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I hope it's high enough to turn off soccer mom's so that little Timmy McTendies doesn't get his PS5/SX and those who have the cash can actually have it.
Shifty1897
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This thread is hilarious first world problems. Never in a million years would I think I would see a thread that says "My consoles don't cost enough money!"
StreetsofBeige
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Not true.It actually didn't have a slow start. The math shows that it push a million units faster than the 360 and was selling faster than it as well. The 360 had 4 million unit head start that by the end of it's life was slowing down till the Kinect meme brought it additional units. The 360 was the fat kid in the gym you give a 10 second head start to be "fair" till the more athletic kids could catch up and eventually beat it.
The X360 already pushed 5 million units by the time the PS3 launched. In fact, if you dig through you'll see that the PS3 pushed it's initial 1 million units faster than the 360.
Xbox 360
Xbox 360 (codenamed Xenon[1]) is Microsoft's successor to the original Xbox and competes in the Seventh generation of video games. It competes directly with the PlayStation 3 and the Nintendo Wii. It will be succeeded by the Xbox One. The Xbox 360 was released on November 22, 2005, in the United...vgsales.fandom.com
PlayStation 3
The PlayStation 3 is Sony's system for gaming's seventh generation. It competed with the Xbox 360 and Wii. It is the successor to the PlayStation 2. Its successor is the PlayStation 4. Main article: Production costs Since the system's launch, production costs have been reduced significantly as a...
If you add up the first 4 quarters in your links you get 5.9M for 360 (it even has a cumulative column). The first 4 quarters of PS3 was 5.6M. In year one, 360 outsold PS3 by 300k units.
What you are doing is comparing PS3 launch year vs year two of 360.
Strider7
Member
Step one: Get a real job.
Step two: Save and have enough money to buy whatever PC AND consoles you want.
Step three: Buy "too many" games and end up with a healthy backlog because you have a real job and don't have much time to play.
Price points and console wars/fanboys become irrelevant.
Step two: Save and have enough money to buy whatever PC AND consoles you want.
Step three: Buy "too many" games and end up with a healthy backlog because you have a real job and don't have much time to play.
Price points and console wars/fanboys become irrelevant.
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Blond
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My point was that comparison launch year with a 500 and 600 dollar sku is that by comparison for launch year the PS3 was selling faster and despite launching a year ahead behind Microsoft still beat the 360 even thought it cost more and had a rough start.
Slings and Arrows
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when you divide the cost of a console over sixty months (a five year gen cycle,) it works out cheaper than most tv subs
DynamiteCop!
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Do you think Canadian funny money is the equivalent of USD? Their money and the costs associated with products are offset accordingly...
kiphalfton
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"It's my console, and I want it now"
009EspadaSageJay
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If you value money cost is a big factor if you dont value what a product or service is worth then you are setting yourself up to loose in the long run.
009EspadaSageJay
Member
No console in the histroy of gaming and owning has been worth the exceeding asking price of $599 barely $500 if your console is going to come out and be in that price range the follwoing needs to happen.
Free online for 1-2 years
10-20+ Very good games at launch hack n slash, figthing games, TPS,FPS,arena, Jrpgs,Rpgs,Drving games arcade and sim, puzzle, platform the whole 9 yards.
specs to price being acurrate
BC will all previous platforms and all Digital purchases transfer over.
Nintendo,Sony and MS has never did any of those things so them pushing $500+ without ticking any of those boxes is asking for it
Psykodad
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They are when they have been talking about how they were expecting $500 minimum for almost a year, but when certain reports popped up this week, it suddenly is a disaster.
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Seriously though, yes.
If they're too expensive at launch, with for a pricedrop or start saving.
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Seriously though, yes.
If they're too expensive at launch, with for a pricedrop or start saving.
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kiphalfton
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All the soccer moms I've seen drive around brand new SUV's that cost $60k+... so no amount of money is going to stop them from buying their kid a console. If anything, it would be the other way around (i.e. it would be too expensive for us plebs).
June
Member
No, what would hold the industry back is releasing a console at $700+ which no one buys and then console makers taking massive losses and/or bowing out of the business, along with the ripple effect of hurting game developers and everyone else who relys on healthy console sales.
siekro1983
Banned
Honestly if you gonna spend 400 spending 100$ more ain't gonna kill u.
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SLoWMoTIoN
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Devils advocate - gaming is a hobby.
Vawn
Banned
That is NOT how inflation works. Otherwise, no one would be able to afford even basic groceries.
SleepDoctor
Banned
Honestly if you're crying over pricing now. You need to handle other priorities first.
Vawn
Banned
Not the over 365 days Xbox 360 was for sale before PS3 even released?
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
You are acting like consoles are the only platforms.
Cliff Underside
Member
That's literally happening. Only reason most don't starve is because they take on dept and end up with meager pensions.
And from that line of thought you can start a debate about some of the problems of late stage capitalism and how the creation of artificial necessities that 98% of the global population can't afford in the name of market growth leads to widespread debt and crime (Don't quote me on that percentage, I'm just talking out my arse). Why do you think piracy is so common in the third world, not even businesses use legitimate software down here when they can get away with it.
Ellery
Gold Member
Well there is a reason why intelligent business oriented experts at those giant corporations decide on what is the sweet spot for the price of a console and not gaming enthusiasts on gaming forums. It is easy to lose sight of other people and prioritize your own wishes/desires for it.
I honestly have not seen much whining regarding console prices being possibly too high. I see much more whining from a very loud minority of people that wish for 1200$ consoles being 15TF, but are unable to actually build their own PCs. In my opinion 400-500$ is right where consoles should be.
Sure I (as a gaming enthusiast wouldn't mind paying 600-700$ for an amazing console), but I would be pretty stupid for wishing that consoles should be 700-800$, or even more, because that would result in extremely low console sales and that would result in extremely low software sales and then we get fewer (or worse) games from our favorite AAA studios because the install base is just not there.
I would buy a 700$ PS5 (if it has everything that I want and more), but I would rather have a 400$ PS5 where I get a lot of actual great games, because millions of people have that console and are buying games for it.
The argument for higher priced console will always lose, because Sony and Microsoft are going to decide based on what the consumers decide (with their wallets). Only option I see possible is offering more than 1 console (the rumored Microsoft approach) where they offer maybe 2 or 3 different consoles at different prices and different specifications (mostly GPU power and maybe storage).
I honestly have not seen much whining regarding console prices being possibly too high. I see much more whining from a very loud minority of people that wish for 1200$ consoles being 15TF, but are unable to actually build their own PCs. In my opinion 400-500$ is right where consoles should be.
Sure I (as a gaming enthusiast wouldn't mind paying 600-700$ for an amazing console), but I would be pretty stupid for wishing that consoles should be 700-800$, or even more, because that would result in extremely low console sales and that would result in extremely low software sales and then we get fewer (or worse) games from our favorite AAA studios because the install base is just not there.
I would buy a 700$ PS5 (if it has everything that I want and more), but I would rather have a 400$ PS5 where I get a lot of actual great games, because millions of people have that console and are buying games for it.
The argument for higher priced console will always lose, because Sony and Microsoft are going to decide based on what the consumers decide (with their wallets). Only option I see possible is offering more than 1 console (the rumored Microsoft approach) where they offer maybe 2 or 3 different consoles at different prices and different specifications (mostly GPU power and maybe storage).
June
Member
Are you implying that it would be healthy for the video game industry if consoles became overpriced and defunct so that PC and mobile were the only gaming hardware available?
Make your point.
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