I never said you should of voted for either, but your 'aggressive playstyle' certainly didn't come through for your number 1 town read.
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Arkham Asylum Mafia |OT| It's time to kill the Bat
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I never said you should of voted for either, but your 'aggressive playstyle' certainly didn't come through for your number 1 town read.
I tried to get Natiko lynched. I went for a short statement to see if I could get a couple of people before ramping it up. Splinter went for it, then Sorian killed it. Genuinely I think if Natiko got to 4 votes it might have went over the top.
Hm? You mean to prod me about something?
I do concede that in that stage of the day it would of been difficult to wage a proper defense of Lifeline (less than 30 mins til the end of the day), but you had opportunities earlier in the day that you didn't take.
After Time had gone into his big read about the previous days actions, you asked whether Time though both Lifeline and Terra were scum, and Time answered:
Was Lifeline not considered town to you at this point? Because from that moment onward any mentions of scum feel towards Lifeline had you completely out of the conversation.
In fact, other than your original attempt to go after Natiko with a vote earlier, you didn't even push heavily for that angle the whole rest of the day. It was pretty much just your vote for Natiko, your reasoning, and then several hours later, your small comment about them being the ones to be lynched.
Considering how you played early day one, and (so far) early day two, it's a strange juxtaposition to see.
I'd be more concerned if you just labeled me full on town. Is there anyone in particular you want me to give my thoughts on? I aim to please.
As for how the day has gone, I'd say pretty poorly so far. We're coming up on halfway through it and there's barely any votes out and no real arguments (my fault too, but at least I voted). I'm disappointed the consensus seems to want to do the double lynch, but not much I can do about that.
Penguin still hasn't done anything of note yet. Where you at?
Whoever you want, really. Day's going a bit slow.
Since no one else seemed to answer, "scum" is a general term used for anyone on the mafia team. Some people also extend the word to just talk about any non-town entity which means neutrals as well but that's a player by player thing so just assume it means mafia is probably easiest.
I'm not sure why this is being softballed to me because there is a clear issue with the assertion. You'd be right that town reading Terra/Flame and Lifeline would be kind of the same thing. That's why I town read Lifeline for almost all of day 1. The thing that made me scum read him wasn't his conspiracy theories or doubling down on them (which I town read), it was that I woke up for day end and checked the thread and what I found was Bats pressuring him and Lifeline trying to get suspicion to go anywhere else (except his co-wagon Terra for the weak reasoning of "he voted me earlier and scum would never have the audacity to do that"). In comparison, Terra then ended the day by playing against his win con unless he is exactly a jester/tanner which we know he isn't.
Yes, I'm prodding you to actually play the game. You have been a non-entity for a full day phase and more into the next and even had the nerve to say the game is falling into inactivity while still not giving much in the way of reads on anyway.
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Also, I'm aware where my vote is, I'm unimpressed with AB having activity at the start of the day (with logic I don't really agree with to begin with) and then ghosting out of here.
I missed that on my read but I also didn't have the benefit of the text box being highlighted green, bad Penguin.
Since youre here, how's the day going?
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I've got some headlight fluid to sell you if you'd like.
Long Live RetroMG, Magnanimous ruler of Gafia!
For real though, we need some people to show up.
Also, how would we feel about a Zipped lynch today. A couple of people have mentioned him, though there aren't any votes. (Faddy is the secret best lynch though, why not both)
SexyFish, you said you were gonna change your vote after a half day or so barring no relevant info. Who you switching to?
For real though, we need some people to show up.
Also, how would we feel about a Zipped lynch today. A couple of people have mentioned him, though there aren't any votes. (Faddy is the secret best lynch though, why not both)
SexyFish, you said you were gonna change your vote after a half day or so barring no relevant info. Who you switching to?
I was hoping we would see more people show up too, but that hasn't happened yet. Of the people available, I'm not against a Faddy vote. I think his defense of Lifeline early on could have been used as a meat shield basically trying to prove himself to be town.
Looks like our doggo is a little spooped here
You got all hot and bothered about being accused of passive play, and now that you've composed yourself, you're going after your accuser? Are you a rabid pupper?
You got all hot and bothered about being accused of passive play, and now that you've composed yourself, you're going after your accuser? Are you a rabid pupper?
Not at all. Faddy talking about me 'standing around' while the days vote ended just convinced me to look at what other players were doing around that time. That's when my hypothesis came to be.
Also, Dr. Worm, this is a nothing comment.
Do you agree with Faddy's points made against me? Was my vote for Terra 'sly'? What about my comments against him? Do you think Faddy might of used Lifeline?
I wouldn't mind seeing you take a stand on some of the positions brought up.
uh huh, uh huh
It's clear that you don't believe that yourself! Did I touch a nerve?
Faddy's play doesn't endear itself to me, but I feel better personally about him playing consistently (he wasn't the only one to townread Lifeline, nor the only one to angle for a different wagon) than I do about talky woofer having a temper tantrum because he got called out on his fluffing
Well, pardon me for trying not to be as aggressive this game, considering what happened last time I played with Gafia. I was starting at the clearer points first and working my way up, no need to be aggressive. Stuff happened on my end and I'm getting to be active now (as I've already said in this thread before), so may we move on?
I am leaning on something going on with you, Faddy. Going over Fat4all's argument, it does appear sound but I can see people already trying to poke holes. As for the other two, Mazre hasn't been around much this phase while Fat4all seems to be acting townish (not all that hard to do, though). I'll likely come down to a vote soon, depending on what some people say.
Everyone knows The Penguin only enjoys fancy fish!
Thought shared my initial thoughts
I do find the in-fighting helps one of them survive at the expense of the other ultimately. And still trying to see where the rest of the cards fall.
Except Sorian, he's good people!
Alright, let's rip this dissertation apart.
So, what makes you so familiar with how batfam is hiding? What makes you think this a hard-and-fast archetype of mafia play that we need to be looking for out? I'm interested in why you believe mafia is playing by formula, and of the aggressive playstyles one of them must be scum (but only one).
Paragraph 1: Faddy must be playing to mafia archetype. Good start, basing this off circumstantial evidence.
Yes, reads are often just gut-checks on Day 1. You acknowledge that this is normal.
Paragraph 2: Faddy is playing in a normal manner. We're on a roll here.
Paragraph 3: Early in the phase, Faddy encouraged and patronized a player who was obviously new.
Geez, does his list of sins never end?
Backing a townie all the way to the grave for a townread? "My, my..."
...is what I'd say, but that's not what he actually did, according to you! If Faddy is supposed to be some kind of batfam genius for the diabolical move of townreading someone who flips town, he seems to flub the execution pretty badly, given that he loses interest in defending them!
Paragraph 4: Faddy guesses player's alignment correctly, then moves on. Were you expecting him to spam "LIFELINE IS TOWN GAIZ" all throughout?
Faddy staked his position re: Natiko pretty early:
but yes, he wasn't pushing his wagon very hard early enough. What of it?
He makes his position clear early on, then goes on to bigger and better things. Since when is not mentioning Lifeline equivalent to backing away?
Paragraph 5: Pretty blatant misinterpretation.
C'mon, woofer. If you wanna play the "cool cucumber" bit, play it consistently - no hyperventilating just because your butt got sniffed. I didn't necessarily buy Faddy's argument, but your overreaction seems to speak volumes. Is the idea of your not-lynched streak ending really that worrying for you?
So, what makes you so familiar with how batfam is hiding? What makes you think this a hard-and-fast archetype of mafia play that we need to be looking for out? I'm interested in why you believe mafia is playing by formula, and of the aggressive playstyles one of them must be scum (but only one).
Paragraph 1: Faddy must be playing to mafia archetype. Good start, basing this off circumstantial evidence.
Yes, reads are often just gut-checks on Day 1. You acknowledge that this is normal.
Paragraph 2: Faddy is playing in a normal manner. We're on a roll here.
Paragraph 3: Early in the phase, Faddy encouraged and patronized a player who was obviously new.
Geez, does his list of sins never end?
Backing a townie all the way to the grave for a townread? "My, my..."
...is what I'd say, but that's not what he actually did, according to you! If Faddy is supposed to be some kind of batfam genius for the diabolical move of townreading someone who flips town, he seems to flub the execution pretty badly, given that he loses interest in defending them!
Paragraph 4: Faddy guesses player's alignment correctly, then moves on. Were you expecting him to spam "LIFELINE IS TOWN GAIZ" all throughout?
Faddy staked his position re: Natiko pretty early:
but yes, he wasn't pushing his wagon very hard early enough. What of it?
He makes his position clear early on, then goes on to bigger and better things. Since when is not mentioning Lifeline equivalent to backing away?
Paragraph 5: Pretty blatant misinterpretation.
C'mon, woofer. If you wanna play the "cool cucumber" bit, play it consistently - no hyperventilating just because your butt got sniffed. I didn't necessarily buy Faddy's argument, but your overreaction seems to speak volumes. Is the idea of your not-lynched streak ending really that worrying for you?
Regretting not shooting worm even more.
Flame_AC's assertion that there are no real votes or arguments is wrong and easily scum motivated. There are so many good lynches right now.
SexyFish, again, is in the thread looking for easy lynches. Now he's "not against" a Faddy lynch, a MickD lynch, or a Worm lynch.
His read progression on Worm in particular looks like caught scum:
SexyFish has forced a scum read on Worm AFTER THE FACT here. He has never mentioned worm before this exchange. He immediately diverts to a MickD lynch.
Flame_AC's assertion that there are no real votes or arguments is wrong and easily scum motivated. There are so many good lynches right now.
SexyFish, again, is in the thread looking for easy lynches. Now he's "not against" a Faddy lynch, a MickD lynch, or a Worm lynch.
His read progression on Worm in particular looks like caught scum:
SexyFish has forced a scum read on Worm AFTER THE FACT here. He has never mentioned worm before this exchange. He immediately diverts to a MickD lynch.
Picking up from last night, work was miserable today and my reading this evening hasn't been very productive.
In the meantime some further thoughts on the players above:
Fat4all - want to review some more but I can at least respect the fact that he made his argument yesterday and followed it to the end of the phase
SexyFish - seems to be around regularly, maybe a bit timid, not unusual for a new player
acohrs - Feels like he's pulled back this phase compared to day 1. Perhaps he's feeling more secure having navigated day 1 so he doesn't need to try to stand out as much today?
Verelios - drawing a blank on Ver
Faddy - I keep mixing him up with fat4all, they actually seem to be playing similar games, which is kind of amusing considering how they seem to be going after each other currently
Fireblend - inoffensive
absolutbro - drawing a blank here as well
mickd - policy fodder; nothing to discuss here at this point;
The sheer amount of condescension in this post reads more like you're the one who might be angry about sommit, Worm.
I don;t see what the issue is with basing someone actions off of set characteristics of some scum players. There ware many different ways to play as a scum for sure, but some patterns emerge. I'm also not saying it's evidence, like you claim, only the possibility that Faddy fits into a similar role based off of my theory.
Why such a reach to defend Faddy at this point? You think it unlikely that a scum could be nice to or try to befriend a newer player?
I don't see why it would be outlandish or difficult to do. It seems like a common tactic in general for scum to ally with town early in hopes that their lynching would give them a boost in reputation.
I'm actually not sure what you mean here. It's easy to back off of defending someone, you just put your attention somewhere else. The fact that he put his attention somewhere else and then even downplayed that position (the vote on Natiko) is just a curious to me.
Except he doesn't. His span of posts over the next several hours are spread thin, cover several people (never Lifeline and rarely Natiko), and unfocused. What 'bigger and better things' are you talking about?
woof, your kind of a jerk for no real reason
Flame_AC explaining that his read and vote on Faddy are bad:
he was just like this in the game thread though once we were doing well.
Man, who isn't?
You asked for a stand, dog, so I'm standing up.
So it's circumstantial, then.
I wouldn't start this type of argument with that, but whatever.
Why such a reach to attack Faddy at this point? You think it unlikely that a town could be nice to or try to befriend a newer player?
If I'm scum picking a town ally, why would I pick Lifeline, the guy whose posts are being likened to conspiracy theories?
We go back and reference his posts, don't we? Typically, the same read isn't posted multiple times if nothing's changed. Like, what do you want him to do?
And how is suggesting that we back a Natiko lynch downplaying his Natiko vote?
Scumhunting? He's asking questions, engaging other topics with his thoughts and opinions. He talks *Splinter, Terrabyte, batsnacks, Natiko... and he even asks them for opinions on Lifeline! Take a look yourself.
The core of your argument seems to be that Faddy... didn't repeat himself a lot. That's the takeaway I'm taking away.
Are you not a fan of ruff play?
THIS IS THE LIST
SexyFish
Zippedpinhead
AbsolutBro
royalflush and Sorian added absolutbro to the list.
Faddy isn't on the list right now because I think the case on him boils down to this and similar posts being weird and annoying. Also that he didn't defend Lifeline hard enough or something:
SexyFish
Zippedpinhead
AbsolutBro
royalflush and Sorian added absolutbro to the list.
Faddy isn't on the list right now because I think the case on him boils down to this and similar posts being weird and annoying. Also that he didn't defend Lifeline hard enough or something:
From hell's heart, my point is this:
You reacted pretty wildly to Faddy's assertion that you fluff. (It's kinda true - you're a pretty fluffy dog, and I laughed when you said my comment with "pretty nothing.") You tried to pull together a grand unified theory that would point to Faddy being scum, you asked me to comment on it, and I pointed out that it's pretty basic and insubstantial. Batsnacks seems to agree, which means you lose Snacks points.
I'm not gonna cry "scum" for this on you, because I think there's a chance that deep down, you're a good dog. Maybe you're jittery because you're scum, maybe you're jittery just because you might be lynched. But this ain't a good look for you.
I wasn't referring to myself in the bad argument portion. My post was meant to indicate my exasperation at the lack of votes, though at least I contributed something. The "my fault too" refers to the fact that I could be contributing more and I'd feel bad/wrong if I just said y'all and didn't group myself in on in the blame.
Well, I was gonna post more points against Worm, but it's mostly reiteration on my points anyways.
I still think my points still stand some consideration. And, Dr. Worm, you saying that my theory was made just because I was angry at Faddy (all the while being super smug in that belief) is pretty petty. I never have denied to posting a good amount of fluff, but I don't see how anyone could boil my posting history down to just fluff and nothing else.
I still think my points still stand some consideration. And, Dr. Worm, you saying that my theory was made just because I was angry at Faddy (all the while being super smug in that belief) is pretty petty. I never have denied to posting a good amount of fluff, but I don't see how anyone could boil my posting history down to just fluff and nothing else.
That post you quoted of Faddy's has been talked about before. Seems like a pretty common theme to just link yourself to a person or two, especially one who might be feeling the heat, and try and defend them. Then when they flip you get some of those good vibes from their death.
yeah scum loves defending town and loves "being right" I think that point against faddy is good. Fat4all said it well too.
I'm not pulling the trigger to vote you scum, because I've seen your fluff before, whereas I don't know if Faddy has (I'm guessing no). Your post counts go high, but they're inflated. You don't have the greatest signal-to-noise ratio, because even some of your analysis can be nothing to write home about.
Your style is why I made a point of calling attention to your inflammation. It jumps out.
I don't know if your theory only exists because you got antsy, but to an untrained observer, there would seem to be a link.
Do you see Worm and SexyFish as being scum together or do you feel it's more likely to be one or the other?
I decided to give a look through of SexyFish to see if anything from D1 jumped out, but honestly it was pretty uneventful. The votes garnered were all pretty meager and outside of maybe Sorian's vote nothing stood out as too odd interaction wise. I think the case being made today is quite a bit stronger, but part of me wonders if it's a case of scum SexyFish looking to find a wagon to hook on to or if it's inexperienced town SexyFish not feeling confident to solve and instead following any argument that seems decent from others.
Dr. Worm required a much deeper dig to gather my thoughts as honestly they felt like a bit of a blind spot despite their post count.
This is just a really meek post, especially early in the game. Already trying to seed doubt about his ability to play a good scum game though we know from Vampire he's more than capable.
Here we have a warning to not trust fat too quickly.
A couple posts where he's very hedging about attacking two people we now know are town (and that scum would have already known are likely to be town).
So it's at this point I start to get confused. This very much reads as a defense of fat. Keep in mind this comes not too long after the exchange regarding Terra's buddy up to Lifeline. This is the same Fat he already warned against trusting too much and now the moment any criticism is levied fat's way he shows up to dissuade that.
But then we have this where the implication would seem to be that fat is playing similarly to how he played as scum in Vampire.
Which leads us to this culmination. We get Dr. Worm taking his hardest stance of the game so far. This is far more analysis and work put in than he has put forth the rest of the game (not attacking your play style, just a fact of the situation). Why now? And if you're willing to go through all of this effort why undercut it at the very end with the bolded portion? Dr. Worm has been sending mixed messages about Fat throughout the game. My thoughts? I could very well see them both being scum. Perhaps at this point they recognize it's unlikely that the scum team will escape unscathed given the double lynch today. Dr. Worm might be prepping a bus of fat but is hoping to leave some room open in case enough alternative candidates appear today.
VOTE: Dr. Worm
Long Live RetroMG, Magnanimous ruler of Gafia