D
Deleted member 10571
Unconfirmed Member
Sure, they said so in the first presentation.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
ARMS footage analysis (stages, DNA themed fighter, audience dresses as characters)
- Thread starter Cerium
- Start date
Sure, they said so in the first presentation.
StreetsAhead
Member
I can't decide if it's people being willfully ignorant or Nintendo not being clear enough (or some combination) because it feels like dozens have people have asked about online for this game in various threads.
Oh ok I don't remember since they really don't talk about it
StreetsAhead
Member
So I did some amateur compositing and got slightly better images of two of the new characters from the OP.
Blue Ranger
Neo Member
I don't know if you guys are being serious when u say ''10-12 characters would be the sweet spot'' for me at least that would be insulting unless they add characters after the game launches ala OW.
UnemployedVillain
Member
Why wouldn't they? Did Mario Kart not get tons of new characters and stages?
Adding a Mario Kart character is very different than adding a fighting game character.
Smash would probably be a better point of comparison.
Muchi Muchi Pink
Member
ARMS is the training ground for new recruits to the Wonderful 101.
Fighting games that start from scratch usually have smaller rosters at the beginning. This was the case for Street Fighter II (8 characters in Vanilla SFII & 4 bosses), Street Fighter III (8 characters in New Generation), Street Fighter IV (16 characters in the arcade release & 3 bosses who were added in later*), Street Fighter V (16 characters at launch), Guilty Gear Xrd (13 characters in its initial arcade release & a boss who was added in later*), Skullgirls (8 characters at launch), & many others. That said, I'd imaging that we'd get more characters as DLC, though the real question is if said DLC would be free or paid.
* = More additions to the game's roster were done for the console release of this game & later updated versions of said game.
I think his overall point is that new characters get added to games like these post-launch nowadays literally all the time. It's the norm if nothing else. I'd go even further and venture his post is another strike against people assuming things about ARMs that make no sense given the current game development culture and how Nintendo tends to make games.
I remember the leak about ARMS talking about "a weird fighting game with guys that look like The Wonderful 101, might be developed by Platinum Games"
StreetsAhead
Member
I am expecting 12 at launch, but I want 16 (either at launch or through, preferable free, DLC). I worry that if they do 16 off the bat that we'll end up with clone characters so I'd rather they focus on making 12 unique ones than 12 unique ones and a couple of clones just to pad out the game - not that those are the only 2 options, though.
Also, going through the Direct footage again - did we see this ARM in action? It's not on the official site.
It's on Spring Man's arms screen at 1:37
Principate
Saint Titanfall
TBF though ARMs isn't like most fighting games in terms of movesets etc. It's mostly just stat distribution alterations and the unique ability. Majority of the gameplay changes are the gloves which will probably be added as time goes by.
wild wild rice
Member
I'm not concerned at all. The amount of weapons and combinations looks to be where the variety in play style will come in.
As for the sweet spot, I suppose that's all a matter of preference. More does not automatically equate to a superior roster for me.
Plus games with massive rosters or massive amount of guns or whatever tend to be pretty transparent in having several versions of the same basic thing. Numbers really don't mean jack in those scenarios. They're just "content" smoke screens as far as I'm concerned.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Yeah with fighting games balance and tier lists are more important. No point in having 30+ characters if the game is unbalanced and only 2 are viable (or worst cases one).
UnemployedVillain
Member
Well it's made by the Mario Kart team which is why I used it over Smash
I am expecting 12 at launch, but I want 16 (either at launch or through, preferable free, DLC). I worry that if they do 16 off the bat that we'll end up with clone characters so I'd rather they focus on making 12 unique ones than 12 unique ones and a couple of clones just to pad out the game - not that those are the only 2 options, though.
Also, going through the Direct footage again - did we see this ARM in action? It's not on the official site.
It's on Spring Man's arms screen at 1:37
That is....definitely not something they've actually shown or talked about before. Looks kind of terrifying tbh.
StreetsAhead
Member
Thought so. In that case, I wonder if it's like Min Min's dragon arm? As in, designed for one character, but usable by others (Ninjara uses the dragon briefly in the Direct). Maybe there's another character that's based on tiki styles or whatever that is supposed to be.
Blue Ranger
Neo Member
Well it seems like you are afor real with the 10 characters sweet spot then..
Maybe i'm just too used to big rosters like smash or tekken..
Maybe i'm just too used to big rosters like smash or tekken..
Jaded Alyx
Member
Neither franchise started with those big rosters.
UnemployedVillain
Member
All the games people point to with big rosters are long established series. That last new big fight game series we got was what? BlazBlue? And that started with 12 characters.
You're use to sequels having more content than new IPs is all
Smash started with 12 characters.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
I think it's largely because those games didn't start with massive rosters either and characters sorta get lost if you introduce 30+ in a new IP. There's also substantial amounts of customization that mitigates it gameplay wise.
and the first tekken had 8
Isn't that Dragon?Also, going through the Direct footage again - did we see this ARM in action? It's not on the official site.
It's on Spring Man's arms screen at 1:37
Even sequels. The first release of SF4 had 16 characters, GG Xrd had 13.
StreetsAhead
Member
Graphics Horse
Member
So I did some amateur compositing and got slightly better images of two of the new characters from the OP.
Can definitely imagine plant/vine arms for her like someone suggested. Not sure about the blue Sniffit
Injustice came out later than BB and had 24 characters not including DLC. But WB through a dump truck of money at that project and I'd imagine it was easier to make a bunch of characters for NRS because their production pipeline was so good following MK9.
If Arms ends up with 10-12 characters at launch, I think it's a perfectly reasonable roster size, especially taking into account the level of customization.
Shikamaru Ninja
任天å ã® å¿è
10-12 is fine. Especially with the idea of DLC characters being introduced.
At first I was shocked to see that they only had 5 characters.
Then we got the last direct which, via Minmin and the tease, brought the count to 10.
10 characters in a fighting game to me is still really underwhelming, new IP or not, not to say simply not enough.
BUT
The same direct showed all the customization options that you can set for each indivual arms of a character. IIRC there are a wide selection of gloves and then you seem to be able to select an element (Fire, ice, thunder, etc.) for each of those. This, to me, changes everything and brings the possibilities to somewhere I never expected for this game at first glance. This redeemed what seemed like a weak character roster to me.
tl;dr The metagame in this game will be glorious.
Also here's Biff/Cobutter in full body
hah!
This game is too pure for this world.
In addition Injustice is using established characters.
OricWindstar
Member
Not the fist. The arm lets her old a charge for long drive when it activates, but you can change the glove.
Also here's Biff/Cobutter in full body
Biff better be an unlockable fighter!
StreetsAhead
Member
I hope not. He's the Callie/Marie.