Aguero9320
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Oh, really? Thanks for letting me know
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Rocinante618
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The creative director is Clint Hocking, he made Far Cry 2 which is bittersweet - brilliant at times, irritating often but has a mature charm to it (Jackal quoting Nietzsche in the first 15 mins is insane), Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory - I have nothing to say as I haven't played it and recently Watch Dogs Legion which I did try, novel concepts but only on theory, the execution failed, WD2 is still the best Watch Dogs if you must play.
I just hope Ubisoft somehow survives and keeps making these games, I kinda dig them.
Also, lol, where's Beyond Good and Evil 2 ????!
Killer8
Member
Visually it looks so bad, like they forgot to adjust the contrast levels before they rendered out the video.
Also it's really funny how people mocked Rise of the Ronin's horse animations when Shadow's horse looks like it's fucking moonwalking at the 0:29 mark.
The meditating monk's eyelashes also clip through his skin. Just an embarrassing lack of attention to detail given the budget.
Also it's really funny how people mocked Rise of the Ronin's horse animations when Shadow's horse looks like it's fucking moonwalking at the 0:29 mark.
The meditating monk's eyelashes also clip through his skin. Just an embarrassing lack of attention to detail given the budget.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
Agreed, I'm getting this and Ghost sequel, fuck do I look like missing a Samurai game cause some else triggered? FOH! lol
Apparently you are not suppose to buy Yakuza Ishin, Ronin, Sekiro, pretty much anything with a samurai sword, cause he likes Ghost Of Tsushima.....you are suppose to limit how much games you buy that take place in Japan for some reason, if you like Ghost Of Tsushima
Agreed. Playing thru Valhalla now, I appreciate the layers and layers that exist with this game. You have an entire underworld where you level up with another character, recruit vikings, go on raids to gather gold and supplies to level up your base etc I also enjoyed the main story of going from area to area killing kings, putting in proxy kings to support the Viking cause, kidnappings lol Even the small side stuff like sitting on throne and giving orders and settling disputes or getting drunk.
I like how the game goes 110% deep into Viking lore and makes all the features of the game support that concept fully.
I like how they more so support the idea of show me vs tell me, the game allows you to freely do the things the concept is about vs just telling you thru text, so you are very much sailing to other places, killing, setting fire to those places, stealing gold and treasure and sounding the horn of victory as you flee to your ship, I cannot stress this enough, MORE GAMES need to do this. We are at an era where some developers think simply applying some text or a document or have character say something, is supporting the world's core concept, but this isn't a book, it is a thing you interact with. Its why I stated I'd rather have Ubisoft do Cyberpunk vs CDPR as it felt like they tell you more about the things that go on in that actual world then can actually be done, talking about gangs and factions you can't join, cops you can't interact with in a meaningful way etc all while just telling you this and that.
Show me.
Let me do it actively thru the world as this is after all a game and they do a great job with that interactivity of allowing the player's actions, to support the core narrative of that world. A story can only go so far that is told, the actions of the game must reinforce the narrative so you don't just recall hearing about its story, you recall being part of it thru the actions of killing, setting fires to those towns, killing those kings, sailing with your crew, picking them up from battle and losing members and gaining them.
So part of the hype with AC Shadows is that clearly they are able to fully support these ideas better then most teams, as I find most love to simply say something else is better, instead of actually detailing HOW its better...
I completely forgot about 3 lol I'd love a remake of it though as its been so long, I think I once overed that game the year after its release.
It was Ubisoft Montreal that did AC 3. They did Valhalla and will be making the one after this, AC HEXE (the one that is rumored to be in Germany about like witches)
Same, I'm hype for it and this will be the first time in generations where I'd buy 2 AC's day 1 back to back following releases.
In terms of the story, I'm not sure as lots of rumors are out that fight a witches or you are one or its in Germany and then one is like you are in Colonial America
Kacho
Member
Like I said, I’m waiting for confirmation. Stop being weird.Ok…
Other next gen ubi games have 60 fps too now good or do you have anything else to say
Aguero9320
Member
Especially odd when Ghost was basically Assassin’s Creed Japan anyway… Being kind, I’ll say it was in homage to the series, rather than a shameless ripoff.
EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
True.
I love Ghost and its clear its a homage to the AC series, but its like AC light, like less traversal options, less functions, less stealth features, so I do hope that Ghost 2 expands on all that, but I'm ok if they don't either.
If we get a Ghost in Edo period with samurai clans that you can recruit, boats that allow you to go from prefecture to prefecture and you have this entire pagoda base and you can be some sort of Lord or Shogun, then maybe I can see Ghost meeting AC standards, until then, it seems to be doing much lessor, but that is ok, it was good for what it was.
From Origin, Odyssey to Valhalla the systems to got more layered, more complex and added more features, to the point where I don't even know what other WRPG is doing anything like this
To my understanding, AC Shadows has seasons, like they change the whole area and snow can be louder alarming guards and rain can drown out noise to sneak better. So it seems the seasons alter gameplay
How Assassin's Creed Shadows is using changing seasons and dynamic weather to be the series' "most advanced" game yet
Preview | Ubisoft is using new-gen tech to try and make the world of Assassin's Creed Shadows feel more alive than ever
In Valhalla, such a thing doesn't exist, like it has different areas that might snow like in Norway, but it doesn't have a season type system.
I've always loved that Animal Crossing's seasons change in real time lol so its cool to see a AC title using a seasonal thing, most open world games don't do something like this I feel cause this is hard to pull off, it means the entire world must factor into something with snow or different color changes with fall or something. Most times this is a fixed thing, like in a game like The Last Of Us, the progression of time is tied to the story, its not something that occurs freely in real time. So certain areas clearly are locked off and only 1 area needs to be "winter" lol
I always wanted a GTA that did this for generations mind you lol
genesisblock
Member
It's Infamous in Japan with stealth options.
Eszti
Banned
I still dont understand why people judge a game before playing it. Maybe its an age thing or what not. I was that too when i was younger. No matter what is said on the internet dont believe it. A lot is propaganda, grift, trolling. Build your own opinion.
I would have missed a lot of games which i had fun with if i had listened to the gen z internet outcry. These people grew up with the internet. They are not well in the head a lot of them.
I would have missed a lot of games which i had fun with if i had listened to the gen z internet outcry. These people grew up with the internet. They are not well in the head a lot of them.
SolidQ
Member
Yeah, that very strong side of Ubisoft, but gameplay...
genesisblock
Member
Because if everybody did what you said Concord and dustborn would be a success. Did you buy those games despite the overwhelming negative opinion or did you judge them beforehand?
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Eszti
Banned
What is dustborn? Never heard of that.
No i dont play ego shooters snymore since years.
I also think you didnt understand. Critical thinking is of course needed too. Incredible i have to say that.
genesisblock
Member
No, you made no such assertion. What you suggested was blind faith ignoring feedback whether it be valid or not suggesting the only true opinion can be made only by purchasing the game. The problem with this reasoning is that this applies to every game in existence and with so much time and money to spare, this is not a valid option.
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Toots
Gold Member
Omi village confirmed !!!For what it's worth, devs have confirmed the size to be more in line with Origins. Here's the map
GymWolf
Gold Member
just wait for the combat trailerI am heartbroken over the lack of hip-hop in the trailer
The features they've been talking about so far are not exciting, sounds like any marketing speech for any AAA ever made., it's weak as fuck.
I fail to see what's the thing that's supposed to catch the attention of consumers.
And when we see raw gameplay it's not as beautiful as this trailer, far from it.
I spent more than 60 hours on Valhalla 4 years ago, that was already weaker than Odyssey. The current Ubisoft trend is to make weaker entries for each new release, like what they did with Avatar that was a weaker FC6, which was a weaker FC5. I feel this is more or less the same thing here.
I fail to see what's the thing that's supposed to catch the attention of consumers.
And when we see raw gameplay it's not as beautiful as this trailer, far from it.
I spent more than 60 hours on Valhalla 4 years ago, that was already weaker than Odyssey. The current Ubisoft trend is to make weaker entries for each new release, like what they did with Avatar that was a weaker FC6, which was a weaker FC5. I feel this is more or less the same thing here.
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Aguero9320
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'Trash game, go play Ghost of Tsushima' is not 'feedback' - it literally can't be unless you've actually played it.
For the record, I didn't not play Concord because of the anti-woke "snowflakery", I didn't play it because it looked like something I would not enjoy. If Shadows reviews poorly (unless those reviews are predicated on the 'oh no! Black samurai!' ridiculousness), I won't be playing it either. But it looks good right now.
The internet can take their 'go woke go broke' campaigns back to their parent's basements where they belong as far as I'm concerned. Just let me play the games I want without subjecting me to those terrifying insecurities.
genesisblock
Member
And yet, you just said the opposite. What does it matter if the reviews rate it poorly, it doesn't nullify your contention: Don't judge before playing it. Your words, not mine.
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Reizo Ryuu
Member
It's not an unknown phenomenon that being exposed to other opinions before being able to form your own can wind up influencing it and forming bias; a simple example would be a reviewer pointing out something you might've never noticed yourself and thus altering your experience in a "can't unsee now" kind of fashion.
crunchyBiscuits
Member
Disagree. While Tsushima looks great, this looks good as well
I'm not into the newer AC games but I can't knock this one for how it looks
Will wait for reviews/more gameplay before I decide to hop in or skip
Hayabusabruh
Member
Really? We're trying to act like this doesn't look good graphically?
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makaveli60
Member
Only looks a bit better than a ps4 game (like Valhalla). Really disappointing, because this is a “nextgen” only game in the fourth year of this gen and this is what we get. I guess this is the result when you drive away talent and hire people based on dei instead of merit.
Kacho
Member
Other than the janky animations and combat it looks fine. World looks similar to Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla, only in Japan.
Xtib81
Member
Yep.
Aguero9320
Member
I absolutely didn't say the opposite - I said the posted opinion is nonsense because they haven't played it - it's a prejudice, not an opinion. I am happy to listen to the opinion of those who have played it (aka the reviewers but also people who buy and play it) and let that help me decide whether it's for me or not.
Edit: I just noticed you had a quoting issue there, and you weren't responding to me. Point stands other than me thinking you said I'd stated the opposite.
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genesisblock
Member
My apologies, I really dislike the quoting system here. Especially when you try to edit multiple quotes it gets mixed up.
EDIT: Lol, he got banned
EDIT: Lol, he got banned
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Kacho
Member
Jesus christ the video game industry is such a shithole right now LMAO
DussyPestroyer
Banned
Man its 2024 and we still have Ubislop apologizers, There is no saving some people. After climbing enough towers and diving into hay stacks you start to lose brain cells I guess.
March Climber
Member
This is one of my two worries with the game, the animations and animation blending. The last AC game they released looked like it had the same issue.
-Climbing animation begins
-Player must wait until the animation finishes at a select point to parkour
-Parkour animation begins
-You are locked to that specific parkour speed and your character can only interact with selected points to parkour
It reminds me of some of the worse older AC titles. You know, the ones that control very stiff even though they're trying to be presented as free-flowing and exciting.
My second worry is the open world design, but honestly I have kind of given up on that with AC.
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
I've never cared about anything regarding the animations and always felt they were ok, I don't see much issue with Shadows in this regard, not The Last Of Us 2 or RDR2, but shit...no fucking game is lol
In terms of open world design, I've always felt they've done better then most in this area as their environmental artist might be some of the best in the industry, but I've always favored a functional design and their games do that better then most too, so what do you mean by open world design?
Like what exact design thing would you be referring to?
You can turn off the UI.
I'm playing Valhalla right now and my entire playthrough has been with zero UI... So I'm sure they'll bring a lot of that in Shadows like they did AC Valhalla
lol man I love kidnapping people in that game
That's awesome. Had no idea and I appreciate the info. UI elements can completely make or break any gaming experience for me, unfortunately.
March Climber
Member
It’s less about how the animations look and more about how the game feels. I think there is a sweet spot between jank animations and ultra realistic ones, and knowing Ubisoft most AC games tend to feel as good as they look in motion, which is why I worry about the animations. Because if they look a little stiff in that trailer there is a higher chance it will feel that way when playing the game.
I will need to see some impressions first I suppose. I never enjoy the feeling of ‘fighting’ the game when it comes to controls in any video game. Rockstar games for example, post-PS2 era, always felt like they had a heavy delay, but even with that delay I wasn’t fighting to make my character move in the direction I wanted them to move.
In certain AC titles there have been times where I simply want to jump left onto a roof and my character will instead jump towards an adjacent wall in front of me, or onto a beam, or onto a ledge, hanging. Then I do it a second time from the same angle and suddenly the game decides it’s correct. Part of the problem is that the animation has already decided to load a certain sequence and you can’t change it, because it has to fully play out before the animation is done and gives you control again.
Again here it’s less about the art and more about the gameplay loop. I just want to know how certain sections will connect, how much backtracking there will be based on these connections, how cumbersome or helpful the trees will be, how much dead space there will be in between areas, if there will be an overload of stuff to collect, what reasons will I have to go to the ends of the map, etc.
The thing I have given up on is any sort of complex level design. That is something that was semi-present in old-school AC and was slowly moved to the background more and more. I have accepted that.
It also came out in 2020 and has been widely played here.
At some point, people have to play something new.
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GymWolf
Gold Member
The fact that motion matching tech for animations wasn't created by nd with tlou2 but by ubisoft is mind boggling.
These dudes have the tech but not the talent i guess.
vaibhavpisal
Member
Its always about budget and time.
Developers keep moving between these companies. They all have access to same pool of talent.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Yeah but a proprietary tech is a proprietary tech, it is something inherent to ubisoft now, it does not go away when you change some devs, it's like their new engine shared by multiple studios.
Decima engine is not gonna disappear if guerrilla change 200 devs in the span of a couple of years, the tech is already a sony tech not a guerrilla tech anymore (proof is that sony let kojima use decima engine)
Ubisoft even use the tech for for honor but it never looked as natural as tlou2 so i guess it must be extremely hard to implement without fuck ups (like the game choosing the wrong animation to blend from the library at the wrong moment or some shit)
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vaibhavpisal
Member
Implementation is all about polish IMO.
Ubi does not polish its games like Sony/Nintendo, both of which happen to be platform holder and use their games to sell systems. Visuals are paramount to be able to do that.
GymWolf
Gold Member
It is strange because in the past they were pretty big on animations, they really lost all the talented devs over there.
vaibhavpisal
Member
They are pumping titles faster I think.
Both Outlaws and Avatar were new ips launched in shorter time frame than required, IMO.
GymWolf
Gold Member
Old ac titles had very short development times i think, ubi was even criticized for releasing an ac game per year so they took 2 years for origins unless my memory is completely fucked up, and they had great animations in their old ac games...(Amd the teams\budgets were probably way smaller).
Yeah just checked, from 2009 to 2015 they released like one gamer per year, and it's not like ac games are small games to make, they are huge open worlds.
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