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Asus to reveal their next-gen handheld at Computex in June
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hououinkyouma00
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$2000 and 20% faster then Z2E
Tobimacoss
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It's still likely Z2E AI. AMD won't have any nextgen chips ready until Magnus AT4.
Maybe 8" OLED screen.
StereoVsn
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Could be Intel. Z2E AI won't necessarily be significantly faster. The price will be humongous either way.
Minsc
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Really? I've been running my Ally X at near 100% cpu for 24/7 for over a year (actually closer to 2 years), and it's going strong, just like the day I got it.
Same for my Asus gaming laptop, also running great (got it because I was so impressed with the Ally X in general).
Almost like with any PC brand there's always lemons. Although the original Ally had some pretty nasty flaws you couldn't get around too easily.
Edit: I'd probably be thrilled it happened in the first 11 months. That's a totally free replacement.
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Buggy Loop
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And still bottlenecked by LPDDR5x 
I ain't buying a PC handheld until next memory iteration
I ain't buying a PC handheld until next memory iteration
DanielG165
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Honestly, unless the new device is an enormous upgrade, I very likely won't be giving up my Ally Z1E anytime soon. The thing is still an absolute monster, and is honestly the value king of the decade now.
hardwood007
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I am never buying an Asus handheld after my Z1E ally's RB button doesn't work out of the box.
Shogmaster
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All the new Computex Handhrkd announcements will be Arc G3 and G3 Extreme models.
[Prediction] Asus one will be G3E at $1800 using the same 7" as XBox Ally X. [/Prediction]
[Prediction] Asus one will be G3E at $1800 using the same 7" as XBox Ally X. [/Prediction]
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StereoVsn
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I expect DDR6 production (once it launches) to be basically reserved for data center AI servers for years unfortunately.And still bottlenecked by LPDDR5x
I ain't buying a PC handheld until next memory iteration
The situation kind of sucks. I guess we will see what happens once RDNA5 SoCs hit.
Shogmaster
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Thats dumb. You are complaining about bandwidth for LPDDR5X on 128bit bus devices. Apple uses LPDDR5X and goes beyond GDDR7 speeds for most descrete GPUs on M3 Ultra Mac Studio. I'm not saying use 1024 bit bus, but Strix Halo gets low/mid GDDR6 speeds with 256bit bus.And still bottlenecked by LPDDR5x
I ain't buying a PC handheld until next memory iteration
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Buggy Loop
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Are you dumb ? ~$4K product not meant to be portable and make massive APUs for 1024 bit controllers is your gotcha moment?
Can you guess why PC handheld manufacturers haven't done that? Fucking lol
Shogmaster
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Yeesh... I literally said you dont have to be 1024bit, just 256bit, but you are apparemtly illiterate.Are you dumb ? ~$4K product not meant to be portable and make massive APUs for 1024 bit controllers is your gotcha moment?
Can you guess why PC handheld manufacturers haven't done that? Fucking lol
Hell, even 160bit would make a big jump.
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Buggy Loop
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So like 256-bit GPD win 5 which is a joke in price, battery efficiency and thermals?
Shogmaster
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You guys were complaining about RAM bandwidth in handhelds, not me.
Arc G3 Extreme is only 128bit bus but its slated to be 90% of Strix Halo handheld prices so surely, it aint the bus width eh genius?
In fact, PS6 Handheld will have LPDDR5X on 192bit bus yet Sony will be competing with Switch 2 in price.
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dgproject
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They are not known for durability unfortunately; I had rog phone 2 - broke after 1 years and rog phone 8 - broke afrer 2 years.
The only reason I got xbox rog ally x is because they offered 3 years warranty.
Buggy Loop
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Ok we don't need new memory, as Valve themselves stated waiting for steam deck 2
Just throw more bits at the problem
Not the LPDDR6 with 1.5x performance for 20% less power, noooo
You're cute with your PS6 handheld prediction lol
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Shogmaster
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LPDDR6 lol. Hey, you dont wanna buy shit until 2030, its fine by me. We are stuck with LPDDR5X for a while since they gonna milk that shit until 12000 speeds.Ok we don't need new memory, as Valve themselves stated waiting for steam deck 2
Just throw more bits at the problem
Not the LPDDR6 with 1.5x performance for 20% less power, noooo
You're cute with your PS6 handheld prediction lol
BTW PS6HH shit is leaked specs, not my pre-fiction, but it is cute specs though. Adorable specs.
I dunno why Cerny wants that much bandwidth for only 16 CUs @1.6GHz, but he gets paid the big bucks.
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Zathalus
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LPDDR5X 9600 with a 192bit bus gives perfectly usable speeds for a handheld. 128bits with a large 16MB LLM cache works as well.
I don't think AMD has either product at the moment so the new handheld is likely just a tweaked Z2E.
All Asus needs to do is take the current Xbox Ally X, put SteamOS on it, change the screen size to eight inch OLED and you'd have the perfect PC handheld, now that FSR4.1 will run on RDNA3. Or maybe they use the new Intel chip, which has a rather large performance jump over the Z2E. But I'd imagine that is still Windows only.
Well, perfect if RAM and NAND pricing wasn't utterly insane right now. Ideally the above would go for 899, but now it's probably going to be 1500.
I don't think AMD has either product at the moment so the new handheld is likely just a tweaked Z2E.
All Asus needs to do is take the current Xbox Ally X, put SteamOS on it, change the screen size to eight inch OLED and you'd have the perfect PC handheld, now that FSR4.1 will run on RDNA3. Or maybe they use the new Intel chip, which has a rather large performance jump over the Z2E. But I'd imagine that is still Windows only.
Well, perfect if RAM and NAND pricing wasn't utterly insane right now. Ideally the above would go for 899, but now it's probably going to be 1500.
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PlayStaytion
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It's up to Asha and not JJ from Asus.
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Tobimacoss
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If they use Intel, it won't be Xbox branded. Just good Ole ROG Ally.
Ah yes, an OS that plays windows games yet can't even run most multiplayer games.
Shogmaster
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Definitely. But it will use the same screen is my guess, in order to keep price "reasonable" (under $2000 lol)
They maybe use "GX" or some such new moniker to differentiate this Arc unit to the Ally X since this new one will be significantly more performant.
ASUS ROG Ally GX anyone?
Zathalus
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I'd consider user experience to be more important for most users than playing multiplayer games on the go.
No ways in hell would I (or most users I'd imagine) think about playing BF6 on the go.
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Tobimacoss
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That's actually a very good name to differentiate the product lineup. I know MSI Claw is 100% going to release a Panther Lake revision. Asus looks to be doing multi vendor strategy now similar to MSI, having both Intel and AMD variants.
Do you think Lenovo would do something with Panther Lake? I wish Dell Alienware or HP Omen or Acer Predator would also do handhelds. Qualcomm seems like they will get beaten by Nvidia N1X first to the punch.
How is user experience different/better than Steam Big Picture Mode on windows?
Tobimacoss
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Come to think of it, it's very likely Asus is releasing a Panther Lake variant as they called it Next Gen of handhelds and Xbox doesn't seem to be involved in the promotion. Otherwise it would debut at the Xbox June Showcase instead.
kasrkinsquad
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ASUS hasn't raised prices so hopefully the top model is 1k. I'm expecting this to be Intel as well.
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deriks
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That can happen with any electronic thing ever
Minsc
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For starters, on a handheld, I expect to be able to push the power button, and instantly suspend the device (and not have it randomly awake and drain all the power), then three days later, push the power button again and instantly resume from where I was playing. I feel like this is a more problematic feature on Windows than SteamOS.
I also find the UI for tweaking the system's settings far better on Steam OS, than even the Ally's UI. There's more options and control and things are presented better. Now if you remove Ally's UI and don't even use that and just leave it to Windows, the UI is 100x worse than either for controlling the hardware, then you have to rely on AMD/nVidia game settings, and those feel like I'm in the excel stone ages.
I feel like I've read about 10x more people with malfunctioning Steam Deck's than Ally's of any kind (including people who RMA 3 devices in a row to get a somewhat good one). Yet people still like Valve's hardware far better I feel like, look at all the interest in their new Steam Machine and controller etc.
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Zathalus
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I have both a Steam Deck and a Windows MSI Claw 8 AI+. I also used an ROG Ally in the past
Advantages of SteamOS:
- Far better suspend/resume behaviour. This is the really major one.
- Better login, just in speed and user behaviour
- Better update system. Windows and the MSI/ASUS control system is a chore. I cannot hate Windows updates enough.
- Far less issues with in-built controllers randomly not working, or any of the other minor niggles that are far too numerous to mention
- Better UI behaviour for the OS. Windows really isn't suited for a handheld, not even with Xbox full screen
- Windows is still a drain on overall battery life
- Background nonsense, windows is rife with this (defender, onedrive, store, browser popups, etc)
Windows Advantages:
- Game compatibility
- Vendor ecosystem like Special K, but this is diminishing
If you tweak the Windows handheld enough it is better than stock, but still not as seemless vs SteamOS. Even now if I switch on my Deck it will allow me to resume a game I left playing with minimal fuss. With my MSI claw I'm sure I'm going to get nagged by something.
Edgelord79
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The industry has lost the plot. You are definitely not alone.
Minsc
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There's an entire thread mostly devoted to $50-$200 handheld devices.
And you get new ones all the time, I see $250 OLED handhelds and all sorts of new portables there over the years. Just two different markets I think.
Plus you can pursue real handhelds there, ones that fit in a pocket, and take up less space than even a smartphone.
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Edgelord79
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I was speaking in general terms with regards to upgrading, etc… But yes you can get smaller handhelds for much cheaper.
Shogmaster
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Those using XBox ROG Ally X as baseline to price this Panther lake version, prepare for price shock.
1. XB ROG Ally X is surely subsidized by Microsoft. Lenovo charges $1999 for their Z2E handheld. 8" OLED does not cost additional $1000 to the consumer.
2. Arc G3 Extreme is a significantly more expensive chip. 2nm vs 4nm. Its almost the cost of the giant Strix Halo APU with 40 CUs.
This thing will be $1800~1900.
1. XB ROG Ally X is surely subsidized by Microsoft. Lenovo charges $1999 for their Z2E handheld. 8" OLED does not cost additional $1000 to the consumer.
2. Arc G3 Extreme is a significantly more expensive chip. 2nm vs 4nm. Its almost the cost of the giant Strix Halo APU with 40 CUs.
This thing will be $1800~1900.