chaosmaster(1)
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I think 2020 is when next gen starts and I also think MS doesn't want to do 2019 because the X will have had 2 years on the market.
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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But what about FF7R being announced 7 years before its now targeted release date.
lol, BG&E2 was announced like 13 years before it will be released.
We're just on the normal schedule really.
1994: PS1
- 6 years -
2000: PS2
- 6 years-
2006: PS3
- 7 years -
2013: PS4
- 6 or 7 years -
2019 - 2020: PS5
dragonflys545
Member
I'm ready for that ps5! Bring it Sony!
funkystudent
Member
Wasn't the practice of a lot of studios last gen to start with a small team mid gen tossing ideas around for the next gen and slowly shift people over year by year as time went by?
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Jesus, feels like the PS4 has only been out for a couple years
Time flies.
bitbydeath
Member
I think the first two years were filled with ports and crossgen titles which makes it feel shorter, that and time absolutely flies these days.
pretty done
Member
First two years were barren as fuck and everyone was playing their PC or last gen consoles instead. Bloodborne was the first must have PS4 game and that came in 2015.
Graphics Horse
Member
I don't think it has much if any influence on their next gen plans, what's it going to sell, 3m a year? maybe more, but unless it has unprecedented success why hold on to it for years when the competition rolls on past to next gen?
chaosmaster(1)
Member
I don't think it's going to sell a lot either, it's just that it would sting the people who bought the X I feel for getting 2 years out of it. I also think for MS 2020 would be an off year for Halo and Gears but if Sony is going 2019 I do think MS is forced to follow suite. MS won't give Sony a year advantage for a Next gen console, it does them no good allowing that.
The mid-gen refreshes are irrelevant to the vast majority of the user base, particularly on PS4. All the Pro brings to the table is fancier graphics for PS4 games.
The Pro doesn't change Sony's roadmap to PS5 IMO.
GermanZepp
Member
Maybe you can add right beside the console the number of games we get out of each generation. You know to put things on perspective.
PS1 = 2507 games
PS2 = 2502 games
PS3 = 1436 games
PS4 = 1609 games
*wikipedia data
Lol that's my bad. For some reason I keep thinking 2014. I think it's because the launch was so uneventful.
Very true, but I don't mind waiting. PS5 would only be for exclusives.
Worst comes to worst and there's no refresh, I'd be picking up a cheaper system with cheaper used games.
If it is 2020, do you guys think Sony is going for the Holidays or Switch-like launch on Q1?
I feel like Holiday 2020 is too far. But at the same time the combo PlayStation Meeting 2020 in February to reveal PS5 and E3 2020 to make the info blowout makes a lot of sense too. It worked really well for PS4...
I feel like Holiday 2020 is too far. But at the same time the combo PlayStation Meeting 2020 in February to reveal PS5 and E3 2020 to make the info blowout makes a lot of sense too. It worked really well for PS4...
dr_rus
Member
It's not that big considering that it's also a jump from 1080p to 4K which essentially quadruples the throughput requirements for the same graphics quality. So at an absolute minimum (and disregarding the decoupled shading tricks for now) we should be looking at 7,5TF only to get the same graphics as on PS4 in 4K. Going from there to 12TF won't do much good as this is even less than twice the minimum power. Couple this with the fact that we'll need 7nm to be able to get even 12TF in an APU size / power and it would not be surprising if the next gen of consoles will launch somewhere around 2020 or 2021.
Another thing to consider is the timing of XBX: it's been 4 years since XBO launch and if MS truly consider XBX as a full next step then it will probably be another 4 years till the next Xbox which puts us in 2021. From a business point of view, unless XBX will be a huge runaway success (I don't see this happening tbh), there are no reasons for Sony to launch anything new before MS will. Which again means that we're looking at 2021 or even 2022 for PS5.
Obliterator
Member
A lot.of people saying they don't feel ready for next gen well of course you don't, right now in 2017.
But Fall 2019 is 2 full years away. 2020 3 years away. I'm willing to bet most consumers even on GAF will feel ready to move on by then.
But Fall 2019 is 2 full years away. 2020 3 years away. I'm willing to bet most consumers even on GAF will feel ready to move on by then.
I'm of the opinion consoles have transitioned to a sort of mobile phone-esque model of iterative upgrades and a game of leapfrog. PS4/X1 (2013) -> PS4 Pro (2016) -> X1X (2017) -> Next PlayStation (no later than 2019) -> Next Xbox (no later than 2021) -> etc. This will continue for as long as enough consumers are willing to participate.
ShadowKingpin
Member
I'm ready for PS5 in 2020!
Voidwolf
Member
Yeah and the mid gen upgrades (Pro and X) also kinda throw things out of perspective. When I think about it this gen is already approaching the length of all the others and an earlier post confirms that. Plus I've already noticed PS4 games not looking so hot these days. I'm glad I held off on getting a Pro and have no interest in the X, I just built a new PC and that will last well into the next gen cycle of consoles and when those do come out, I'll pick up one of each for the exclusives.
bitbydeath
Member
I'm thinking PS5 will release at earliest in 2019 and at latest in 2020 for a number of reasons-
1. History - PS1 and PS2 had 6 years before their succesor arrived, PS3 had 7 years.
2. Game lineup - Announced games are slated to release in either 2018/2019, only unknowns (I think) are TLOU2, FF7R and Death Stranding. This years TGS and E3 also only had games arriving in 2017 and 2018. (Don't recall any likely heading for 2019)
3. Navi is 7nm and releases in 2019, Vega is too large for consoles and Polaris is what's in the Pro.
dr_rus
Member
1. Doesn't really mean much, market change all the time.
2. This is mostly a result of them unveiling pretty much everything they could during 15-17. Right now we don't know what Sucker Punch is doing - and that's all, the rest of Sony studios are working on already announced games - which in turn means that they don't work on any next gen stuff which means that it's likely more than 2 years away.
3. Yeah, 7nm is 2019 and this likely mean that it's 2020 for a cheap console APU. It may also mean that they'll need some "7++" improvement to get the power and clocks to where it will be good for a home electronics device which can easily push us into 2022. As I've said, the tech is slowing down.
Baron_Calamity
Member
It might make it slightly faster because if the plan is to create a fully ps4 compatible ps5, a lot of the research has already been done. Now its just how they want to time it.
uncleniccius
Member
Really hoping for this. I feel ready, and would be nice to see games designed with higher end cpus in mind.
Kralamoonard
Member
Might be off here, but I think the reason why people feel it's too soon to think about next-gen or feel that it's gone quick etc. is that there just aren't as many AAA games as there were last gen, that and games are taking waaayyy longer to make so developers that would have otherwise released multiple games in a generation e.g. R* or Naughty Dog, are looking at 1 game per generation (or at least cross generation for the next gen).
facetheslayer92
Member
7 nm will be good to go in 2020 for mass manufacturing on the PS5. It will probably start appearing on desktop CPUs in spring 2019.
Graphics Horse
Member
The same kind of thinking every time a first price cut is rumoured 'uh they can't do that it would piss off the early adopters'. every goddam time.
MS has no idea what they're doing.
Yeah 2020 has sounded plausible for a while now, and I'm ready for it. It will have been long enough for this gen at that point. It feels shorter because we get less games because of longer dev cycles. I'll gladly take the last of these big games in 2018 and wait for the next wave in 2020 on brand new consoles with some awesome visuals.
Lilalaunebaer
Member
The most wonderful time is almost here. Next-Gen speculation, Leaks, Hints, fanboy consolewarriors fighting each other over speculation which console will be better.
pixelation
Member
The most wonderful time is almost here. Next-Gen speculation, Leaks, Hints, fanboy consolewarriors fighting each other over speculation which console will be better.
*salivates*
The most wonderful time is almost here. Next-Gen speculation, Leaks, Hints, fanboy consolewarriors fighting each other over speculation which console will be better.
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Lord of Castamere
Member
It's what brought me to this forum. It won't be as fun this time though, I think, as both consoles should have backwards compatibility. The complete fresh start last gen is what made it so interesting, in part at least.
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
Those refresh consoles are for the base games running nearer to 4k for those with the relevant displays. There's little improvements here and there outside of resolution but it's very much the same game.
PS5 will open up so much more opportunities on top of 4k. Late 2019 lines up with a next gen APU based console at $399. 2019 is also the 25th anniversary of the original PlayStation.