Mister Apoc
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do you think it will surpass the MCU in terms of action/battle scenes
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Avatar: The Way of Water's action scenes vs. MCU?
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Mister Apoc
Demigod of Troll Threads
do you think Cameron is better at directing action then what you see from Marvel?
jufonuk
not tag worthy
Hahahahaha yes
Terminator 2 set the bar
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IFireflyl
Gold Member
James Cameron has a proven track record of delivering quality. He doesn't coast on his successes, nor does he make excuses. The question isn't, "Who did it better?" The question is, "Were you amazed?" That's what James Cameron shoots for, and that is what makes him a great director.
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Mister Apoc
Demigod of Troll Threads
someone said the fight in Black Panther surpasses T2 in an old thread a while back
Punished Miku
Gold Member
Joke thread?
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I honestly don't care. I just want the movie to come and go so I can stop hearing about it for fuck sake.
I am so tired of hearing about the ridiculous hype around this pile.
I am so tired of hearing about the ridiculous hype around this pile.
DragoonWalker
Member
James Cameron directed, and yes he directed--unlike modern Marvel work for hire directors with separate second units for action-- some of the greatest action scenes AND films in history. T1, T2, Aliens, True Lies, the man is not just any Hollywood director he is the greatest action director to have reached those heights. Even Avatar, maybe his weakest work on the action front, is clearly the template for large scale CGI action scenes which Marvel has copied again and again. Who even holds MCU action scenes in high esteem, do you even know what good action is?
Damn straight.
Turns out the Russo Brothers are only as good as their second unit stunt teams. Both of those you mentioned are done by some of the best action/stunt guys in the biz, while much of the other stuff in MCU is not. And just look at The Gray Man for when Russo Brothers are more hands on with their action, wooo boy it's rough.
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
The scene in Aliens when the marines are ambushed by the aliens, their frantic retreat back to the armored vehicle, and then Ripley driving it through a wall outside, was perfect. The music matched the urgency of each moment, the way the camera moved, the desperation. Awesome stuff.
Bragr
Banned
Arent you a marvel fan?
El Pistolero
Banned
Are you serious?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
I just want uncensored Navi booba.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
What about it?
jufonuk
not tag worthy
If memory serves me this was a real stunt not miniatures. Or cgi.
Granted the CGI in T2 has aged but the action. No way.
Or maybe I’m misremembering it and it was the helicopter was real and Cameron got a real helicopter to fly under an LA over pass
An Overpass, a Helicopter, and the Riskiest Stunt in ‘Terminator 2: Judgment Day'
As James Cameron puts it on the Terminator 2 DVD: “See this helicopter going under a freeway overpass? That’s a helicopter going under a freeway overpass.”
www.google.com
So none of what the copter is doing is CGI.(wide shots wise I mean)
You are basically saying one director versus the whole of the MCU and people are coming back saying how good the one director is. Doesn’t that tell you something ?
I believe that should they rerelease Aliens special edition into the cinema and all they did was tidy up some SFX shots (remove the edges around green screen etc) give the film some clean up remove any scratches etc. The film would be lauded as the best sci-fi action film by modern audiences.
Oh wait maybe this scene would trigger modern audiences
Show me a better scene in the MCU. You can feel that tension. What’s better is how before all this he sets the marines up as acting like they are the most bad ass people ever.
Oh yeah one other thing.
Cameron writes movie scripts.
films written by james cameron - Google Search
www.google.com
Admittedly he has a reputation for being a maniac and there was that incident on titanic
Were Cast and Crew on the Film 'Titanic' Sickened by PCP-Laced Seafood Chowder?
Actor Bill Paxton: "Some people were laughing, some people were crying, some people were throwing up.”
www.snopes.com
And the abyss https://www.slashfilm.com/840780/shooting-the-abyss-nearly-killed-james-cameron/
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Bragr
Banned
Well, you can't say what you said and be a Marvel fan.
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Times change, people get old. We'll see if James Cameron still has it in him.
levyjl1988
Banned
The Way of Water needs to make at least $2 billion to break even.
After the success of Spider-Man No Way Home and Top Gun: Maverick, this movie cannot afford to be woke. Once you go woke you go broke. This movie needs to hit a strong 90% and over on metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes.
James Cameron cannot fuck around with that much money spent on this project and have it be a colossal failure. But with his track record, I'm sure he can pull it off, especially with the long wait. But I've seen bad launch failures like CyberPunk 2077, but this is a movie, not a game.
Let's see how this plays out, especially for an audience so used to CGI in this industry. James Cameron has to really push the envelope.
Sony did the unthinkable and put all the previous Spider-Man in one movie and the original cast for No Way Way Home.
Tom Cruise actually put actors in fighter jets in Top Gun Maverick.
James Cameron is putting actors underwater for long periods of time.
The envelope for AAAA blockbuster movies has to be just that. Taking a risk and paying it off in spades.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
Will Cameron’s non stop wall of dull, weightless CG be better than the MCU’s non stop wall of dull, weightless CG?
arkhamguy123
Member
James fucking Cameron's 12 year passion project vs soulless tepid tame garbage franchise for 12 year olds and casuals like an old christian mom or grandma or say a sorority girl or frat guy.
Basically people who aren't going to scrutinize or think anything about the craft or filmmaking. James Cameron is an alpha. An auteur. He actually directs his action with panache. As opposed to MCU who has directors who basically do nothing and all the action is done by mistreated underpaid VFX artist like 2 years before a script is even written.
Basically people who aren't going to scrutinize or think anything about the craft or filmmaking. James Cameron is an alpha. An auteur. He actually directs his action with panache. As opposed to MCU who has directors who basically do nothing and all the action is done by mistreated underpaid VFX artist like 2 years before a script is even written.
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
What in the copypasta hell is this?
arkhamguy123
Member
What?What in the copypasta hell is this?
Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
Oh you're serious, ok. It comes across as some copypasta thing. Sorry
Oh come now, Cameron INVENTED half the CGI you are mocking him for. Dull and weightless are the least apt descriptions of his work.
Hawking Radiation
Member
Weird fucking thread this.
Not sure what the OP is trying to achieve by comparing 'action' scenes? WTF lol
EddieVanHelgen
Banned
I despise avatar, but any James Cameron directed action scene is going to shit on even the very best Marvel scenes - and from a tremendous height.
FunkMiller
Gold Member
He did. And when he used it sparingly, to enhance the live action, and in a targeted fashion in his films, it worked brilliantly. Avatar is a cartoon with a terribly cliched and boring plot.
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Insane Metal
Member
Tell me this is sarcasm please.
strange headache
Banned
LMAO, imagine sh*tting on the Avatar movies while watching the mass-produced crap that Marvel puts out nowadays.
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Days like these...
Have a Blessed Day
This thread is all kinds of wtf? The films not even out yet. I don't remember anything from the 1st Avatar not even the action bits. Im a fan of T2 and Aliens Cameron cant stand Blue Cat People Cameron.
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DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Tell me you don't know how movies are made without telling me you don't know how movies are made.
Days like these...
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Hey now Avatar is the pinnacle of Cinema cut the guy some slack
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arkhamguy123
Member
So instead of an actual refutation I get a stock reddit snarky reply? Kinda makes me think I do know how movies are made.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
No, actually you don't. Not from your post, anyway.
"CGI made before the script is written"
"Directors who basically do nothing"
"All the action is created by underpaid, abused vfx artists"
That sounds like you don't know how a movie is made. All the praise to Cameron but... The MCU has actual great directors like Coogler and the Eternals director and Raimi and Branaugh and... I don't know man... You just sound like ... Eh. Whatever.
Don't take it personally. DT loves himself some Marvel, that's all. It's fine, Cameron isn't really kicking down the doors with script depth or conceptual wonder (though I think the former is why his films are so commercially successful and the later IS there, just all in his tech bible and not always on screen) but no one should compare his efforts with the MCU. Though, TBF, virtually the ENTIRE MCU winked into existence between Avatar 1 and now so while they have been running lap after lap, Cameron has been, ever so slowly, turning to the crowd to say "Hey, hold my beer!"
arkhamguy123
Member
Actually I do and the irony of you saying that is killing me.
I never said the CGI is made before the script is written. You said that. I said the action is done before the script is written. Which is a fact of their production pipeline and very public knowledge.
That's also true. A few insiders have alluded to this time and time again but let me illuminate you because you seem to be out of your depth here. The shots, action, story beats, even the jokes, are all done before a director signs on. Even before a screenwriter signs on in some cases. It's not a secret basically every non James Gunn MCU movie is very, VERY synonymous. I mean Jesus just watching like any random 5 will confirm to any non fanboy that there is a clear path of sorts laid out to these directors by Feige.
And Jesus Christ you're really trying to dispute this one after the very public VFX controversy like 1 month ago lol. I don't even know what to say. This is also very public knowledge and not up for debate.
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I believe this (https://www.insider.com/marvel-plan...rs-before-filming-previs-visualization-2021-1) is what
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arkhamguy123
is referring to. So on the one hand this IS "Marvel" the movie machine laying out the film, often before the director is hired. On the other hand, this is basically what the script is for in the first place, and if it saves money/ allows for more dev time for effects, it's hard to deny the results for the MCU compared to lots of films with far worse continuity, script issues or effects that this previs thing could have avoided.
Ulysses 31
Member
Like Nerdrotic likes to joke about: "Marvel doesn't hire directors, they cast them".
At least one director didn't put up with it and turned down the job (Black Widow).
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yeah, that came as a surprise to me and tbh, explains why all Marvel movies feel so samey. The action scenes are mocapped or animated literally in a lab years before the director even gets involved.
Real directors like the Wachowskis, Cameron and Snyder actually storyboard the whole thing before the start shooting. Id imagine they would riot if they found out half the scenes were already shot and animated before they got hired.
Wachwoskis and Snyder arent particularly good directors when it comes to storytelling, but their action scenes are far more memorable because they dont defer to CG nerds in a lab.