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B. Johnson to suspend parliament, to prevent it from stopping hard brexit

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this is the real life version of the Starlancer loading speech


the prescient statesman warning of the evil intentions of a hostile empire. the braying, disbelieving house. THE EU IS THE COALITION PEOPLE WAKE UP
This is cool as fuck. Why have I not heard of this game before?
 

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oh bro, you gotta play it. It's a Chris Roberts made Wing Commander style game. The storyline and voice acting are SO FUCKING EPIC
This is a mandela effect moment for me, wtf. I used to absolutely love all the space sim story games, Star Wars, Privateer, Elite, Freespace - was obsessed with them. How the fuck have I never ever heard about this, seen anyone mention it, anything. It's like it's just popped out of a wormhole.

It must mean something. WE MUST BREXIT.
 

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I just want to say to hardcore remainers. Fuck you, fuck the EU, fuck parliament, fuck Bercow, fuck the cunts being paid to protest, fuck Ireland, fuck Scotland (Wales you're cool) and fuck whatever the totalitarian shit hole that the once great England is turning into.
As a child, I use to dream of moving to the UK. Being from Canada, I saw it as a natural evolution to where all our success came from.

But now, it no longer feels like moving to Britain would be an upgrade, but a downgrade (that's not to say my own country is faring much better. In fact, it too is also going down the drain).
 
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Democracy is dead in our country. Politicians have failed to uphold the one promise that a democracy relies on. How can I vote with any confidence in the future? If a vote goes the "wrong" way it is now proven that there is a considerable elitist minority in this country who will throw an absolute tantrum while insulting the intelligence, morals and dignity of 17 odd million people.

I just want to say to hardcore remainers. Fuck you, fuck the EU, fuck parliament, fuck Bercow, fuck the cunts being paid to protest, fuck Ireland, fuck Scotland (Wales you're cool) and fuck whatever the totalitarian shit hole that the once great England is turning into.
Fuck Ireland what did we do :messenger_tears_of_joy:. Your papers still blaming us
 

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Brexit will kill off Britain. When the election comes, Tories will lose most of their seats in Scotland, if not be wiped out completely. Once the public sees the clusterfuck Brexit is causing, the SNP who will be dominating north of the border will have a clear mandate for indy ref2 then that will be that... no more UK. No more "brand Britain", no more Union Jack. Influence will all but dry up, the English government will get laughed at abroad if they even try open their mouths concerning world affairs. Reduced to a yapping pocket dog such as a Yorkshire Terrier. Where as the xenophobic Brexiteers think they actual opposite is going to happen - Britain (which won't even exist) is going to strengthen and become more prosperous and become a powerhouse. Not gonna happen is it? Yet they will continue to blame everyone but themselves for their problems. Like they've blamed Scotland, immigrants, the EU, Jeremy Corbyn, John Bercow. Everyone apart from themselves... some sad shit.
 

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As a child, I use to dream of moving to the UK. Being from Canada, I saw it as a natural evolution to where all our success came from.

But now, it no longer feels like moving to Britain would be an upgrade, but a downgrade.
Don't worry, you can't fuck with the psychogeography of Perfidious Albion. We're an island, off the continent from which modern civilisation grew. We're the eternal breakaway and renewal. The reason why we're the first to Brexit is the same reason we were the first to both be colonised and resist Rome, split from the Roman Catholic church, execute a king, restore the monarchy, resist the Napeoleonic Empire, resist the German Empire, have the biggest Empire in the world, humiliate China, why we were the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution, the Enlightenment, the discovery of gravity, evolution, DNA, the first to voluntarily outlaw slavery, the first to voluntarily give away their Empire, and why we call each other cunts as a term of endearment. We're absolute bastards and hated and loved all over the world, but the love and hate are nowhere as strong as on the Island itself. Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings are typical Brits, in that they're hated by other typical Brits too. The Scots, English, Welsh and Irish all hate each other and love each other at the same time. We're traditional, revolutionary, contradictory, we're still waters that run deep. Do not worry my Canadian friend, there are plenty of upsets left in us yet. And we've got a fucking fight on our hands, that's for sure.

 
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Brexit will kill off Britain. When the election comes, Tories will lose most of their seats in Scotland, if not be wiped out completely. Once the public sees the clusterfuck Brexit is causing, the SNP who will be dominating north of the border will have a clear mandate for indy ref2 then that will be that... no more UK. No more "brand Britain", no more Union Jack. Influence will all but dry up, the English government will get laughed at abroad if they even try open their mouths concerning world affairs. Reduced to a yapping pocket dog such as a Yorkshire Terrier. Where as the xenophobic Brexiteers think they actual opposite is going to happen - Britain (which won't even exist) is going to strengthen and become more prosperous and become a powerhouse. Not gonna happen is it? Yet they will continue to blame everyone but themselves for their problems. Like they've blamed Scotland, immigrants, the EU, Jeremy Corbyn, John Bercow. Everyone apart from themselves... some sad shit.
yawn. more doomsday predictions from a REMOANER

how bout we let it happen and see where we actually end up? I'll bet you a hunned 1) the UK doesn't break up 2) the economy improves
 
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Brexit will kill off Britain. When the election comes, Tories will lose most of their seats in Scotland, if not be wiped out completely. Once the public sees the clusterfuck Brexit is causing, the SNP who will be dominating north of the border will have a clear mandate for indy ref2 then that will be that... no more UK. No more "brand Britain", no more Union Jack. Influence will all but dry up, the English government will get laughed at abroad if they even try open their mouths concerning world affairs. Reduced to a yapping pocket dog such as a Yorkshire Terrier. Where as the xenophobic Brexiteers think they actual opposite is going to happen - Britain (which won't even exist) is going to strengthen and become more prosperous and become a powerhouse. Not gonna happen is it? Yet they will continue to blame everyone but themselves for their problems. Like they've blamed Scotland, immigrants, the EU, Jeremy Corbyn, John Bercow. Everyone apart from themselves... some sad shit.
 

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Brexit will kill off Britain. When the election comes, Tories will lose most of their seats in Scotland, if not be wiped out completely. Once the public sees the clusterfuck Brexit is causing, the SNP who will be dominating north of the border will have a clear mandate for indy ref2 then that will be that... no more UK. No more "brand Britain", no more Union Jack. Influence will all but dry up, the English government will get laughed at abroad if they even try open their mouths concerning world affairs. Reduced to a yapping pocket dog such as a Yorkshire Terrier. Where as the xenophobic Brexiteers think they actual opposite is going to happen - Britain (which won't even exist) is going to strengthen and become more prosperous and become a powerhouse. Not gonna happen is it? Yet they will continue to blame everyone but themselves for their problems. Like they've blamed Scotland, immigrants, the EU, Jeremy Corbyn, John Bercow. Everyone apart from themselves... some sad shit.
 
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This is a mandela effect moment for me, wtf. I used to absolutely love all the space sim story games, Star Wars, Privateer, Elite, Freespace - was obsessed with them. How the fuck have I never ever heard about this, seen anyone mention it, anything. It's like it's just popped out of a wormhole.

It must mean something. WE MUST BREXIT.
I think it bombed hard. But yes, it also came from another dimension to warn us about Michael Barnier
 
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Reduced to a yapping pocket dog such as a Yorkshire Terrier. Where as the xenophobic Brexiteers think they actual opposite is going to happen
Why is Japan with only around half more people around 6-8 times "bigger" in therms of economic prosperity, health, security ? Why can they do that when they are not in EU ?
 
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At this stage it looks like Scotland are edging closer and closer to another independent vote.
 
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Brexit will kill off Britain. When the election comes, Tories will lose most of their seats in Scotland, if not be wiped out completely. Once the public sees the clusterfuck Brexit is causing, the SNP who will be dominating north of the border will have a clear mandate for indy ref2 then that will be that... no more UK. No more "brand Britain", no more Union Jack. Influence will all but dry up, the English government will get laughed at abroad if they even try open their mouths concerning world affairs. Reduced to a yapping pocket dog such as a Yorkshire Terrier. Where as the xenophobic Brexiteers think they actual opposite is going to happen - Britain (which won't even exist) is going to strengthen and become more prosperous and become a powerhouse. Not gonna happen is it? Yet they will continue to blame everyone but themselves for their problems. Like they've blamed Scotland, immigrants, the EU, Jeremy Corbyn, John Bercow. Everyone apart from themselves... some sad shit.
I can't say about the other things, but the British government is already considered a joke worldwide and it will take a long time for anyone to take it seriously again.
 

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Brexit will kill off Britain. When the election comes, Tories will lose most of their seats in Scotland, if not be wiped out completely. Once the public sees the clusterfuck Brexit is causing, the SNP who will be dominating north of the border will have a clear mandate for indy ref2 then that will be that... no more UK.
Lol, the Scot's aren't going anywhere.

Talk is cheap when responding to a pollster on the streets asking about independence, when nothing is at stake. When reality dawns on them and they realise that breaking up the UK will put their jobs,mortgates & pensions at risk, then all of a sudden the chippy, anti English Braveheart sentiment that is so ingrained in the Scottish DNA, will take a back seat.

..If the Scots think leaving a 40yr, inter-govermental, political institution like the EU, taking over 3yrs is a nightmare and hurting Scotland, they'll have a fucking heart attack when it comes to negotiating the leaving of a 300yr old political, economic & social institution that makes up being part of the UK.

When it comes to money, the Scot's aren't exactly known for cutting off their noses to spite their face.
 

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Discussion about who is to be called fascist is interesting, but quite offtopic here.
If you cannot accept the fact (and there is no guilt by association attached) that said folk (and you knew whom I meant) is pro hard brexit, let's just agree to disagree and move on.

One thing I want to ask is, if May's deal is a treason, does it mean that majority of tory MPs are traitors, since they've voted for May's deal early this year?

Why is Japan with only around half more people around 6-8 times "bigger" in therms of economic prosperity, health, security ? Why can they do that when they are not in EU ?
Are we talking about that country half a world apart from Europe?

Naturally, one trades with neighbors. Because of very simple reasons: logistics.
Even Switzerland, which is such a lone wolf that joined EU only close to the end of the XX century, is part of the customs union.
And of course it greatly benefits Poland too, which, besides other things, gets more money from EU than it pays, being one of the arguments of the leavers.

As for customs, here you go:
 

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Democracy is dead in our country. Politicians have failed to uphold the one promise that a democracy relies on. How can I vote with any confidence in the future? If a vote goes the "wrong" way it is now proven that there is a considerable elitist minority in this country who will throw an absolute tantrum while insulting the intelligence, morals and dignity of 17 odd million people.

I just want to say to hardcore remainers. Fuck you, fuck the EU, fuck parliament, fuck Bercow, fuck the cunts being paid to protest, fuck Ireland, fuck Scotland (Wales you're cool) and fuck whatever the totalitarian shit hole that the once great England is turning into.
You have voted for brexit and your parliament is NOT discussing whether staying in is an option, it's clearly not. Just stop making shit up.

UK has voted to exit from EU, and respective request was sent to Brussels years ago.


Brexit deal could have been struck several times during this year:
1) By a handful of Tory MPs not undermining May
2) By Corbyn filling in missing votes
3) Lib Dems could do it too, perhaps?
4) By everyone agreeing hard brexit is the way to do shit.

The parliament you have elected (great job undermining Torys) has failed to agree on which bloody version of the brexit they are OK with.
That's the way UK's political system works, you can elect parliament where there is no majority FOR ANYTHING. Then there is time to re-align, and sometimes (actually quite often, in pretty much any country where parliament elects the government) there is no way that particular MP setup strikes a deal, elections are the only way out.


The PM wants to get this shit over...
Hard brexit means bitter negotiations about the trade starting the very next day. Shit won't end for years to come.
But of course one can count on Trump, which said something like "Britain First", chuckle, didn't he?
 
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said folk (and you knew whom I meant)

One thing I want to ask is, if May's deal is a treason, does it mean that majority of tory MPs are traitors, since they've voted for May's deal early this year?
I honestly don’t know who you meant because accusations of fascism are flung about like confetti in modern day political debate. In any case the only reason I bought it up was to make a point about how likely someone who was convinced the Brexit Party are fascists would be to undermine democracy, which ironically would be a de facto fascist activity. Scale that attitude up and you get the EU.

I don’t think voting for May’s Deal is technically treason because of Parliamentary privilege but tbh I’m not sure.
 

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Brexit will kill off Britain. When the election comes, Tories will lose most of their seats in Scotland, if not be wiped out completely. Once the public sees the clusterfuck Brexit is causing, the SNP who will be dominating north of the border will have a clear mandate for indy ref2 then that will be that... no more UK. No more "brand Britain", no more Union Jack. Influence will all but dry up, the English government will get laughed at abroad if they even try open their mouths concerning world affairs. Reduced to a yapping pocket dog such as a Yorkshire Terrier. Where as the xenophobic Brexiteers think they actual opposite is going to happen - Britain (which won't even exist) is going to strengthen and become more prosperous and become a powerhouse. Not gonna happen is it? Yet they will continue to blame everyone but themselves for their problems. Like they've blamed Scotland, immigrants, the EU, Jeremy Corbyn, John Bercow. Everyone apart from themselves... some sad shit.


Sounds like you could do with taking a break from reading remainer disaster porn for a little while! Everything is going to be fine. Chill.
 
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Sounds like you could do with taking a break from reading remainer disaster porn for a little while! Everything is going to be fine. Chill.
The reason why they read it and revel in it is because they want to have the ultimate 'We told you so' moment to the hated Brexit voters. They'd rather see the worst possible scenario come true than get behind the country to help make it work.
 
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The reason why they read it and revel in it is because they want to have the ultimate 'We told you so' moment to the hated Brexit voters. They'd rather see the worst possible scenario come true than get behind the country to help make it work.
I wonder if the real reason some of them are so worried about a no deal Brexit next month isn't because of the disaster porn becoming reality, but rather being worried that the disaster porn won't come true? How embarrassing would that be, to have all those working-class people you they consider beneath them turn out to be right. The problem is they have bigged up the effects of a "cliff-edge" brexit or "crashing out" so much that it's really going to take something big to happen to justify it. A mere 0.3% cut to annual GDP just won't cut it.

And if a no-deal brexit ends up going perfectly fine, will their reaction be one of relief.......or disappointment?
 
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You British are so bizarre. The queen. A parliament. A prime minister. I just... You know what, forget I said anything.


You know you love it really! Here is some fun for your viewing entertainment:

 

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All people are woke but some people are more woke than others. And they will temporarily hold power until the proletariat becomes educated enough to be allowed to take control.

Only temporarily. Only until the working class is woke enough.
20M died in the CCCP waiting to be woke enough.


Was Solzhenitsyn a nazi faschist? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
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I wonder if the real reason some of them are so worried about a no deal Brexit next month isn't because of the disaster porn becoming reality, but rather being worried that the disaster porn won't come true? How embarrassing would that be, to have all those working-class people you they consider beneath them turn out to be right. The problem is they have bigged up the effects of a "cliff-edge" brexit or "crashing out" so much that it's really going to take something big to happen to justify it. A mere 0.3% cut to annual GDP just won't cut it.

And if a no-deal brexit ends up going perfectly fine, will their reaction be one of relief.......or disappointment?
Watch the elitists' reaction to Trump winning in 2016 if you want to know how that will go. He was going to crash the economy. He was going to charge headfirst into war. He was going to run our alliances aground. He was going to sell us all out to Russia.
 

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Lol, the Scot's aren't going anywhere.

Talk is cheap when responding to a pollster on the streets asking about independence, when nothing is at stake. When reality dawns on them and they realise that breaking up the UK will put their jobs,mortgates & pensions at risk, then all of a sudden the chippy, anti English Braveheart sentiment that is so ingrained in the Scottish DNA, will take a back seat.

..If the Scots think leaving a 40yr, inter-govermental, political institution like the EU, taking over 3yrs is a nightmare and hurting Scotland, they'll have a fucking heart attack when it comes to negotiating the leaving of a 300yr old political, economic & social institution that makes up being part of the UK.

When it comes to money, the Scot's aren't exactly known for cutting off their noses to spite their face.
Splitting up the UK will be far less complicated than the EU. 2 countries vs 28 countries for a start. No Ireland good friday agreement to worry about.

Once England goes down the shitter with Brexit, Scotland will want to rejoin the EU as an independent country. Everyone seen how Scotland and Ireland were treated during these Brexit negotiations - they weren't even considered. nor consulted, It has become very apparent that getting run by an English government does Scotland no good.

Tories are a joke, posh cunts looking out for only themselves. Too cowardly too even grant Scotland another referendum, because they know what will happen and that they will be held responsible for splitting up the UK. At least Labour has said they have no right to block a 2nd indy ref. Best outcome for the union we can hope for is a Labour government getting in. It already came out that the majority of Tory members would rather see Scotland go than stay within the EU. Says it all.
 
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Splitting up the UK will be far less complicated than the EU. 2 countries vs 28 countries for a start. No Ireland good friday agreement to worry about.

Once England goes down the shitter with Brexit, Scotland will want to rejoin the EU as an independent country. Everyone seen how Scotland and Ireland were treated during these Brexit negotiations - they weren't even considered. It has become very apparent that getting run by an English government does Scotland no good.

Tories are a joke, posh cunts looking out for only themselves. Too cowardly too even grant Scotland another referendum, because they know what will happen and that they will be held responsible for splitting up the UK. At least Labour has said they have no right to block a 2nd indy ref. Best outcome for the union we can hope for is a Labour government getting in. It already came out that the majority of Tory members would rather see Scotland go than stay within the EU. Says it all.
You're a wonderfully hilarious fantasist.. have you considered a career in comedy?
 
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Splitting up the UK will be far less complicated than the EU. 2 countries vs 28 countries for a start. No Ireland good friday agreement to worry about.

Once England goes down the shitter with Brexit, Scotland will want to rejoin the EU as an independent country. Everyone seen how Scotland and Ireland were treated during these Brexit negotiations - they weren't even considered. It has become very apparent that getting run by an English government does Scotland no good.

Tories are a joke, posh cunts looking out for only themselves. Too cowardly too even grant Scotland another referendum, because they know what will happen and that they will be held responsible for splitting up the UK. At least Labour has said they have no right to block a 2nd indy ref. Best outcome for the union we can hope for is a Labour government getting in. It already came out that the majority of Tory members would rather see Scotland go than stay within the EU. Says it all.

If only wishes were inane internet rants.
 

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Splitting up the UK will be far less complicated than the EU. 2 countries vs 28 countries for a start. No Ireland good friday agreement to worry about.

Once England goes down the shitter with Brexit, Scotland will want to rejoin the EU as an independent country. Everyone seen how Scotland and Ireland were treated during these Brexit negotiations - they weren't even considered. nor consulted, It has become very apparent that getting run by an English government does Scotland no good.

Tories are a joke, posh cunts looking out for only themselves. Too cowardly too even grant Scotland another referendum, because they know what will happen and that they will be held responsible for splitting up the UK. At least Labour has said they have no right to block a 2nd indy ref. Best outcome for the union we can hope for is a Labour government getting in. It already came out that the majority of Tory members would rather see Scotland go than stay within the EU. Says it all.
HAHA!

The entire position of Scottish independence after Brexit is so backwards.

After the powers have been returned to the UK this will transfer to Scotland as well. You'll never have more power and self governance with devaluation + power returned from Brussels after Brexit than EVER before in Scottish history. But no if Scotland go's independent then you are going to run off to Brussels to hand all that power and more back to the fucking EU and they'll ram a train over you just to fuck with us. The joke will be on Scotland you want Independence than cool, write to the SNP and tell them to vote through Brexit and than you hold another referendum and go drink the EU kool aid.

And yes Scottish independence will come with a heavy price tag, don't make assumptions that it will be quick and easy because it won't and just like with Brexit there will be a bill at the end.
 
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You're a wonderfully hilarious fantasist.. have you considered a career in comedy?
How much influence do think think England will have without the UK or the Union Jack? Seeing is believing - without the Union Jack which is seen as British first and foremost all around the world, it's like a totally different country - because will be. "Britain" as most people see it will be gone and influence will be non existent. Landmass nearly halved, no oil or water. No strategic place to store the nuclear subs.

You say fantasist, but SNP whose main policy is for an independent Scotland (clue in the name) has the vast majority of votes in Scotland, and after the election will hold close to every seat. A 2nd referendum is being planned. Is it fantasy to say there is a good chance of Scotland leaving the UK after all this guff? No, that's just the reality. Fantasy is thinking UK will magically become a powerhouse after we can close the doors to workers, leave the largest trading market in the world and label cheeses by different names.

You seen how Scotland voted in the EU referendum, voting to stay in higher numbers than even London. After Brexit there is really nothing holding the two countries together. There is a reason why the Tories want to block a 2nd Scottish independence referendum.
 
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HAHA!

The entire position of Scottish independence after Brexit is so backwards.

After the powers have been returned to the UK this will transfer to Scotland as well. You'll never have more power and self governance with devaluation + power returned from Brussels after Brexit than EVER before in Scottish history. But no if Scotland go's independent then you are going to run off to Brussels to hand all that power and more back to the fucking EU and they'll ram a train over you just to fuck with us. The joke will be on Scotland you want Independence than cool, write to the SNP and tell them to vote through Brexit and than you hold another referendum and go drink the EU kool aid.

And yes Scottish independence will come with a heavy price tag, don't make assumptions that it will be quick and easy because it won't and just like with Brexit there will be a bill at the end.
What exactly is the vague "power" that the UK will magically get after Brexit? Can you say?

You hear 'trade deal' a lot - because they are important. Right now we have the best trade deal possible - with the largest trading market on the globe. Makes no sense to back out of that. So what "power" will compensate for that? Being (technically) able to import inferior goods from further flung regions of the world? I don't buy it. Voters have been taken for a ride with vague unfounded promises because of an internal Tory party struggle with EU membership that goes back decades.
 

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Watch the elitists' reaction to Trump winning in 2016 if you want to know how that will go. He was going to crash the economy. He was going to charge headfirst into war. He was going to run our alliances aground. He was going to sell us all out to Russia.
They may have started off as a joke, but BDS (Brexit Derangement Syndrome) and TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) are real psychological phenomena. There's no other way to explain how otherwise intelligent people (or people who should be intelligent - MPs, university professors etc) can become so unhinged. Last week we had people saying they we going to block roads and bridges to stop a "fascist coup". Now those very same people are refusing the "fascist dictator" Boris Johnson's offer of an election - real crazy shit. This was a tweet from a well-respected childrens' author only last week:




Wasn't there some Nobel economist in the US who said that the markets would never recover after Trump was elected (was it Paul Krugman?).

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to oppose both Trump and Brexit, but a significant proportion of the elites have let their emotions completely overcome their reason, to the point that they truly do sound insane. The whole Brexit-apocalypse people are a textbook example of this.

Social media definitely plays it's part (the more extreme the opinion, the more attention it attracts), and I think it would do BDS and TDS sufferers the world of good to spend 4 or 5 days a week off social media.
 

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Also this fantasy that the EU would somehow treat Scotland great - weren't people paying attention to what the EU did to Greece (which has a similar GDP to Scotland and twice the population). Didn't they notice the deafening silence of the EU as the Spanish authorities repressed the Catalonia independence referendum by dragging people out of ballot offices and imprisoning the leaders of the Catalonia government?
 

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They may have started off as a joke, but BDS (Brexit Derangement Syndrome) and TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) are real psychological phenomena. There's no other way to explain how otherwise intelligent people (or people who should be intelligent - MPs, university professors etc) can become so unhinged. Last week we had people saying they we going to block roads and bridges to stop a "fascist coup". Now those very same people are refusing the "fascist dictator" Boris Johnson's offer of an election - real crazy shit. This was a tweet from a well-respected childrens' author only last week:




Wasn't there some Nobel economist in the US who said that the markets would never recover after Trump was elected (was it Paul Krugman?).

There are plenty of legitimate reasons to oppose both Trump and Brexit, but a significant proportion of the elites have let their emotions completely overcome their reason, to the point that they truly do sound insane. The whole Brexit-apocalypse people are a textbook example of this.

Social media definitely plays it's part (the more extreme the opinion, the more attention it attracts), and I think it would do BDS and TDS sufferers the world of good to spend 4 or 5 days a week off social media.
It's just the outward expression of their ideology. How do you get otherwise-rational people to act like bloodthirsty zealots? You give them vanity and a righteous cause to fight for.
 

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This is a mandela effect moment for me, wtf. I used to absolutely love all the space sim story games, Star Wars, Privateer, Elite, Freespace - was obsessed with them. How the fuck have I never ever heard about this, seen anyone mention it, anything. It's like it's just popped out of a wormhole.

It must mean something. WE MUST BREXIT.
Starlancer was epic. I played through it in one sitting and I'm not even a fan of space combat sims. LEt that sink in.
 

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Brexit will kill off Britain. When the election comes, Tories will lose most of their seats in Scotland, if not be wiped out completely. Once the public sees the clusterfuck Brexit is causing, the SNP who will be dominating north of the border will have a clear mandate for indy ref2 then that will be that... no more UK. No more "brand Britain", no more Union Jack. Influence will all but dry up, the English government will get laughed at abroad if they even try open their mouths concerning world affairs. Reduced to a yapping pocket dog such as a Yorkshire Terrier. Where as the xenophobic Brexiteers think they actual opposite is going to happen - Britain (which won't even exist) is going to strengthen and become more prosperous and become a powerhouse. Not gonna happen is it? Yet they will continue to blame everyone but themselves for their problems. Like they've blamed Scotland, immigrants, the EU, Jeremy Corbyn, John Bercow. Everyone apart from themselves... some sad shit.
I got bored reading that, but this is what will happen in an election

Tories and Brexit party will form a coalition and command the majority of the vote - repeal the no brexit without a deal law and Britain will leave, with a deal.
Labour - Corbyn is unelectable 20% tops
Liberal Democrats - There public policy to ignore a democratic vote will be the death of them - ironically named.
SNP - you can't afford to break away from the UK. Your budget deficit is 4 times the rest of the UK :messenger_smirking:
 
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GamingKaiju

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What exactly is the vague "power" that the UK will magically get after Brexit? Can you say?

You hear 'trade deal' a lot - because they are important. Right now we have the best trade deal possible - with the largest trading market on the globe. Makes no sense to back out of that. So what "power" will compensate for that? Being (technically) able to import inferior goods from further flung regions of the world? I don't buy it. Voters have been taken for a ride with vague unfounded promises because of an internal Tory party struggle with EU membership that goes back decades.
Well you didn't counter my other points so here goes:

Power to make your own laws
Power to control your own boarders
Control of your own fishires and waters
Control over Migration, get the people you need in the Country.
The power to set your own VAT schemes and set the price and actually collect the VAT instead of getting a payment from the EU.
The power to nationalise industry such as steel
The power to say which company is to carry out a government contract, not the cheapest as by EU law
More control over how we produce electricity, right now we have to ask permission of the EU.
Control over employment laws
Control your own regulations
Control Driving standards that affects logistics, trust me on this they have some fucking crazy and terrible laws with HGC/PVC/LGV

Best of all Control over own Army. Yeh people laugh but any trading block that wants a integrated Army and the EU DO want a Army and that is definitely suspicious.

The list goes on dude.

We can have a trading relationship with the EU no one isn't saying that, of cause we'll have a trading relationship with Europe inside or out of the single Market but we will have a relationship.,It's not going to end. Our standards won't change so why do you keep talking about inferior produce from other Countries?

If you're that concerned about the inferior produce than buy British produce from the butchers or markets instead of from ASDA. We can have own trading arrangements with other counties because that is all the EU is, it is a trading block with political strings. The world won't end!

Is Microsoft going to start selling us shoddy X boxes? No. Because we'll have similar standards to the EU.
Is Apple going to do the same? No of cause not. CE requirements will be needed on all products.

It seems your emotions are driving you here and not seeing past the lunacy that has come over Britain since the referendum, remember all the project fear BS? How we would have a another great rescission and George Osborne would have to create a punishment budget and how all the businesses would leave the UK or the NHS would collapse in the wake of a Brexit vote?

And what happened? Our Economy has grown since the referendum, May and Boris both did massive spending on the NHS, the NHS is still standing many Banks are still here, yeh some of them have left but they hedging their bets and unemployment is still very low.

It's like the Euro vs GBP debate back in the 2000's All we heard is how the Country will be broke if we don't take the Euro and what happened? the financial crisis fucked the ECB and the Euro for a very long time and our GBP £ fucking saved us because we could control our own currency. The GBP £ hit it's highest price ever in 2008 and the Euro was still lagging way behind it then.

BTW if Scotland leaves the GBP and adopts the Euro then expect maximum austerity because Scotland runs a budget defect and the ECB doesn't like that.
 
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Acidizer

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SNP - you can't afford to break away from the UK. Your budget deficit is 4 times the rest of the UK
That's not how it works though is it, and just shows you are parroting tabloid type headlines. No wonder you get bored.

The USA budget deficit of more than 700 billion and is growing towards 1 trillion dollars. Are they going to merge with Mexico or something? :messenger_confused:
 

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That's not how it works though is it, and just shows you are parroting tabloid type headlines. No wonder you get bored.

The USA budget deficit of more than 700 billion and is growing towards 1 trillion dollars. Are they going to merge with Mexico or something? :messenger_confused:
Scotland is not a superpower, you fruitcake, it's only 5 million people.
 

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You know you love it really! Here is some fun for your viewing entertainment:

God I hated watching all that today.
On one side you have them all screaming at one another like it's set in a playground.
Then on the other side, you have all the pompous bullshit that screams time wasting, self righteous crap.

It's all so detract and fucking redundant.
 
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Acidizer

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Well you didn't counter my other points so here goes:

Power to make your own laws
Power to control your own boarders
Control of your own fishires and waters
Control over Migration, get the people you need in the Country.
The power to set your own VAT schemes and set the price and actually collect the VAT instead of getting a payment from the EU.
The power to nationalise industry such as steel
The power to say which company is to carry out a government contract, not the cheapest as by EU law
More control over how we produce electricity, right now we have to ask permission of the EU.
Control over employment laws
Control your own regulations
Control Driving standards that affects logistics, trust me on this they have some fucking crazy and terrible laws with HGC/PVC/LGV

Best of all Control over own Army. Yeh people laugh but any trading block that wants a integrated Army and the EU DO want a Army and that is definitely suspicious.

The list goes on dude.

We can have a trading relationship with the EU no one isn't saying that, of cause we'll have a trading relationship with Europe inside or out of the single Market but we will have a relationship.,It's not going to end. Our standards won't change so why do you keep talking about inferior produce from other Countries?

If you're that concerned about the inferior produce than buy British produce from the butchers or markets instead of from ASDA. We can have own trading arrangements with other counties because that is all the EU is, it is a trading block with political strings. The world won't end!

Is Microsoft going to start selling us shoddy X boxes? No. Because we'll have similar standards to the EU.
Is Apple going to do the same? No of cause not. CE requirements will be needed on all products.

It seems your emotions are driving you here and not seeing past the lunacy that has come over Britain since the referendum, remember all the project fear BS? How we would have a another great rescission and George Osborne would have to create a punishment budget and how all the businesses would leave the UK or the NHS would collapse in the wake of a Brexit vote?

And what happened? Our Economy has grown since the referendum, May and Boris both did massive spending on the NHS, the NHS is still standing many Banks are still here, yeh some of them have left but they hedging their bets and unemployment is still very low.

It's like the Euro vs GBP debate back in the 2000's All we heard is how the Country will be broke if we don't take the Euro and what happened? the financial crisis fucked the ECB and the Euro for a very long time and our GBP £ fucking saved us because we could control our own currency. The GBP £ hit it's highest price ever in 2008 and the Euro was still lagging way behind it then.

BTW if Scotland leaves the GBP and adopts the Euro then expect maximum austerity because Scotland runs a budget defect and the ECB doesn't like that.
So we are to assume that the EU have set all these laws and regulations so that they impact negatively on the UK? For fun?

We already make our own laws.

Looks good on paper but it's swings and roundabouts. It's easy to blame the failing country on outsiders, but I don't see the USA improving under Trump's "take back control, jobs for the people" insular rhetoric. It's diversion tactics. The reason every service in the UK is redlining isn't because of the EU. That's a helpful boogeyman. But it's because of things like the UK government letting Amazon, Apple etc get off with billions in tax. That money should go directly to schools and hospitals but our government are letting them get away with it ON PURPOSE. We should start looking in the mirror before blaming others for our problems. We should be electing decent people to power, not posh fat cat glory hunter scum who are only out to line their own pockets. We need to be cleaning our own house, not blaming other countries - that's pathetic.
 
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Even if Scotland breaks free from the UK that doesn't mean the EU will accept it as a member straight away. The country still has to meet the requirements as all other countries. NI is kinda exempt from that because Ireland is already part of the EU (in case of unification).
 

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Are we talking about that country half a world apart from Europe?

Naturally, one trades with neighbors. Because of very simple reasons: logistics.
Even Switzerland, which is such a lone wolf that joined EU only close to the end of the XX century, is part of the customs union. And of course it greatly benefits Poland too, which, besides other things, gets more money from EU than it pays, being one of the arguments of the leavers.
Because it shows how stupid remainers arguments are.

Japan is very combatative with China and most of its industries don't have way to get into China market. For a long time China wasn't even advanced economy to begin with and this was time of Japan best growth. Aside from China who is there ? Bunch of rice picking nations.

And yet UK situated near biggest wealth is not 2-3 times as much as Japan.

What that means. Policies of sovereign nations are far more important and nation changing that any union and the idea that UK shoot itself in the foot by leaving EU is ludicrous.

This is why Singapore which just 30 years ago was another rice picker nation changed into defacto more industrialized and better wealth nation than most of EU nations. South Korea ? Another great example, they went from rags to riches in less than 40 years.

And yet we are discussing if UK one of the oldest nations with best trade network won't be able to fly around and improve outside of EU.

Meanwhile EU nations such as Germany, France, Spain are showing everyone what progress means: 0.05GDP growth and those are the "best years" before next crisis hits.

EU is a mistake. It should have gone back to EEC which is what UK joined not EU.
Unfortunately for my own nation leaving is impossible as we are to small nation and being outside of EU means getting on its crosshair.
 

Kazza

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EU is a mistake. It should have gone back to EEC which is what UK joined not EU.
Unfortunately for my own nation leaving is impossible as we are to small nation and being outside of EU means getting on its crosshair.
Agreed, I think the whole EU needs to be dissolved and replaced with a new EEC. I don't really agree with the UK exiting the single market though (not for the next 10 years at least). I think the UK should join the EEA and start trying to pick apart the EU from the outside. First it should try and get the non-Eurozone countries to leave (Denmark and Sweden would be good candidates, seeing as their neighbour Norway is already out). The EEA was meant to be a step towards joining the EU, but we could turn it into a soft exit from the EU. We can all live in peace and trade together without a huge, undemocratic and expensive bureaucracy in Brussels.