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B. Johnson to suspend parliament, to prevent it from stopping hard brexit

MilkyJoe

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I have to say that as an Englishman I’m a little concerned at the tone this conversation is taking as regards insults and swear words.

I’ve never been one for reporting other classmates to the teachers so may I implore you all on a personal level, please, please, please, add some variety to your expletives. A ‘You bastard!’ or ‘fuck off wanker!’, would go a long way towards relieving the profanity monotony on display.
Motion carried.

Thanks, cunty bollocks
 
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They wanted to open parliament to talk brexit, and they have been talking about Thomas Cook for what seems like hours :messenger_grinning_smiling:
That was always going to be the case. They have had 3 years to debate brexit, and what? Nothing. They were never going to put it to good use, and with the mauling they are getting from Cox they might come to regret recalling parliament.

It's like that whole "Boris is a an unelected fascist who is staging a coup!!!"
Boris: "Let's have an election then"
Parliament: "No!"
Boris: ???????
 
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A Acidizer You might want to take a time out mate. You're hoping 1000's of older people die just so you can get your precious remain victory is quite frankly disgusting. With that attitude why should you get a second referendum? Why should I respect the result of a second referendum before the result of the first has been enacted. It's a slippery slope and we shouldn't go down that route.
What shite you talking?

"hoping" 1000s of old people die? Where the fuck did I say that?

I pointed out that people die and the first on the chopping block are the old you numbskull. "frankly disgusting". What a chump.
 
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I have to say that as an Englishman I’m a little concerned at the tone this conversation is taking as regards insults and swear words.

I’ve never been one for reporting other classmates to the teachers so may I implore you all on a personal level, please, please, please, add some variety to your expletives. A ‘You bastard!’ or ‘fuck off wanker!’, would go a long way towards relieving the profanity monotony on display.
Are you saying we need Ordaahhhhh?
 

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That was always going to be the case. They have had 3 years to debate brexit, and what? Nothing. They were never going to put it to good use, and with the mauling they are getting from Cox they might come to regret recalling parliament.

It's like that whole "Boris is a an unelected fascist who is staging a coup!!!"
Boris: "Let's have an election then"
Parliament: "No!"
Boris: ???????
It's fucking amazing isn't it. He's in there grilling the government about yellow hammer and food shortages, shit that was debunked months ago
 

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"BS posting". You're the fucking cunt inventing shit.

Caught in your lie then toys come flying out the pram, good riddance. I expect not to be quoted by you again.
 

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Oldest people are also not going to face the future but younger ones do. So maybe let them to decide?

I have always supported that voting in elections should be even more restrictive. Maybe start at 20 years old, younger people are too focused on other stuff to really care or understand politics, kids can't do much reasoning either. But older people should also be restricted. After 75-80 maybe. Then your time on this Earth is pretty limited so you shouldn't be voting on decisions that will affect future generations, you won't be here anyways, also senility is the same or worse than being a kid with a underdeveloped brain so I don't know why we allow senile people to vote at all.
How about we also stop white people from voting, and straight people while we're at it? I honestly thought we were above dividing people into demographic groups around here. On your point about older people not facing the future - maybe they're not, but they have a wealth of experience of the past and only a fool would write it off.
 

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The young want to venture? :messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy:

The same youth who order Mcdonalds from Justeat because they can't be arsed driving 1/2 a mile?
The same youth who sit, celotaped to their phones, 18 hours a day?
The same youth who would rather sit at home on their consoles than socialise in pubs? (Look at how dead pubs are nowadays)
The same youth who don't want to work?
The same youth that have grown up in the most pampered lifestyle in human history?

These people want to venture? How absurd. These useless, thin-skinned 'stressed' individuals are a pox on any work place and you're concerned that they want to travel?

And if that wasnt bad enough, you're comparing these lazy-layabouts to a generation who lived through more technological changes than any other, who's bed time stories were that of two world wars, whos world opened from an iron-curtain-covered Europe to a land of wealth, freedom and prosperity?
These are observational facts? OK then.

This is a tirade in its entirety. I think your brain is warped by heroin you fucking dunce.
 

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These are observational facts? OK then.

This is a tirade in its entirety. I think your brain is warped by heroin you fucking dunce.
Do justeat deliver mcdonalds to the youth?
Do the youth spend most of their day on their phone?
Are we living in the most peaceful, technologically advanced part of humanity?
Are pubs dying and seeing lower footfall from the youth?

Was Europe once covered in a curtain of Iron?

All facts. 🤷‍♂️

I get it though, you can only argue on emotion, not on logic. Hence signing off all of your posts with profanity and an insult
 

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"BS posting". You're the fucking cunt inventing shit.

Caught in your lie then toys come flying out the pram, good riddance. I expect not to be quoted by you again.
Apparently this dude knows better than everyone else in this thread.
 

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Oldest people are also not going to face the future but younger ones do. So maybe let them to decide?

I have always supported that voting in elections should be even more restrictive. Maybe start at 20 years old, younger people are too focused on other stuff to really care or understand politics, kids can't do much reasoning either. But older people should also be restricted. After 75-80 maybe. Then your time on this Earth is pretty limited so you shouldn't be voting on decisions that will affect future generations, you won't be here anyways, also senility is the same or worse than being a kid with a underdeveloped brain so I don't know why we allow senile people to vote at all.
Excuse me you ageist piece of shit.
 
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How about we also stop white people from voting, and straight people while we're at it? I honestly thought we were above dividing people into demographic groups around here. On your point about older people not facing the future - maybe they're not, but they have a wealth of experience of the past and only a fool would write it off.
Ok then i think it will be also fair if teenagers vote as well then, it's only fair, you know? So we don't divide people in demographic groups ;)
 

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Clearly, election is the only FAIR way out of this, isn't it?

I mean, even people who want to crash out, how couldn't you see that doing that against the parliament's mandate is not right?
IF there is a majority in UK, for one way or another, could be established only on GE.
And let's not pretend that:
1) Yet another postponing of Brexit changes anything
2) Boris could be trusted not to go rogue with GE timings to force crashing out

And if it ain't clear even after GE... uh, doh. Well. That's the downsiade of parliamentary system, I guess.
 

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Can anyone give me a good argument as to why any soverign nation would want to join the EU in the first place?
Europe had two wars that devastated their territory in the past century. I guess the European Union is a desperate measure to unite the different countries and prevent similar things. People probably got tired of seeing their families slaughtered during war. Can't blame them.
 

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Clearly, election is the only FAIR way out of this, isn't it?

I mean, even people who want to crash out, how couldn't you see that doing that against the parliament's mandate is not right?
IF there is a majority in UK, for one way or another, could be established only on GE.
And let's not pretend that:
1) Yet another postponing of Brexit changes anything
2) Boris could be trusted not to go rogue with GE timings to force crashing out

And if it ain't clear even after GE... uh, doh. Well. That's the downsiade of parliamentary system, I guess.
We've had elections based on putting a referendum forward. We had the vote, we had another election and a changing of PM.

At this point, we have to leave on october 31st, deal or no deal.
 

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We've had elections based on putting a referendum forward. We had the vote, we had another election and a changing of PM.

At this point, we have to leave on october 31st, deal or no deal.
The parliament that you had elected on the last GE is opposing the crashing out on 31th.

If majority of the voters disagrees with the parliament, it can be easily clarified on the upcoming GE.
 
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Can anyone give me a good argument as to why any soverign nation would want to join the EU in the first place?
Practical benefits :
- free and simplified access to a large market of 500+ million people, with fair competition rules between members.
- bigger economical leverage when negotiating deals with foreign countries (CETA, Mercosur, EPA,...)
- bigger geopolitical leverage on foreign countries (sanctions against Russia, negotiations with Iran,...)
- bigger leverage on private companies (fining monopolistic abuse, removing roaming fees, imposing technical standards like phone chargers,...)
- better guarantees of economical stability, and as a consequence better interest rates to fund your national budget (see Greece avoiding bankruptcy).
- cheaper functioning costs, through centralization and administration standards (one of the reasons UK wasn't ready for Brexit was that they delegated a lot of paperwork to the EU)
- large choice of funding programmes

More theoretical benefits :
- improving mutual enrichment through cultural exchanges (free travel/work localization, education/Erasmus program,...)
- having all the benefits above removes most incentives to develop hostility towards other members.
 
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If we get a deal, then that is not "Brexit". Is that an affront to democracy? :messenger_neutral:
A deal is still brexit, as it means we're leaving EU with a deal.

Truth is the ignorant public just want red meat, they have no idea of the inner workings of it all and don't really care as long as they are suitably satiated. We need a deal. We work and trade with these countries intimately. But a large amount of the public will tell you "OUT!" no matter what, completely clueless to reality.
Ahh yes, all leave voters are thick.

Tory party are an antiquated joke, populated by people who essentially never left boarding school and don't actually know what it is to actually live in the real world, this is the last type of person you want to be in charge of the country and they deserve to be out of power permanently. They have already cost us billions, put us back years and split the country. Meanwhile Rees Mogg lounges on the benches of parliament like he's on fucking holiday.
Remind me what schools Corbyn and co went too? Whilst you're at it, has he ever had a proper job apart from being in a union and causing strikes?


The young want to venture? :messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy:

The same youth who order Mcdonalds from Justeat because they can't be arsed driving 1/2 a mile?
The same youth who sit, celotaped to their phones, 18 hours a day?
The same youth who would rather sit at home on their consoles than socialise in pubs? (Look at how dead pubs are nowadays)
The same youth who don't want to work?
The same youth that have grown up in the most pampered lifestyle in human history?

These people want to venture? How absurd. These useless, thin-skinned 'stressed' individuals are a pox on any work place and you're concerned that they want to travel?

And if that wasnt bad enough, you're comparing these lazy-layabouts to a generation who lived through more technological changes than any other, who's bed time stories were that of two world wars, whos world opened from an iron-curtain-covered Europe to a land of wealth, freedom and prosperity?

You're either a heroin-addled, Buckie-swilling moron or a troll.
You can add 'The same youth who all couldn't be bothered to vote last time?'
 
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The parliament that you had elected on the last GE is opposing the crashing out on 31th.
Yes, they betrayed the platform they were elected on. Both Labour and the Conservatives stated in their election manifestos that they would accept the outcome of the 2016 referendum.
 
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Yes, they betrayed the platform they were elected on.
At least admit, that what you state is at best an opinion.
There was nothing about "we'll crash out" in the elections. Nor on conservative side, for that matter.

Playing with "outcome of the 2016 referendum" is very annoying at this point. How many times has this dead horse have to be repeated???
 

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Teenagers can vote, from 18. We prevent kids voting because as Greta has shown us, kids can be easily swayed by parents.
Old people can be easily swayed too. As we get older we are more vulnerable to scams because our cognitive ability to detect them goes down for example.


"“We are learning that there are changes in the aging brain, even in the absence of diseases like Alzheimer’s disease or other neurodegenerative illnesses, that may render older adults vulnerable to financial exploitation.”

There is neuroscience and psychological data to suggest our ability to detect sketchy situations may decline. Or, we may become prone to seeing the upside of a risky deal and blow off the downside. Some people are more inclined to believe the last person they spoke to. Others may lose the ability to push back on a high-pressure predator. "

And that's just on healthy adults. On people who experience other types of cognitive deterioration can be even worse and all those can vote. So I don't see a reason to prevent teenagers to vote if older people are usually also cognitively compromised to make decisions.
 
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The young want to venture? :messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy::messenger_tears_of_joy:

The same youth who order Mcdonalds from Justeat because they can't be arsed driving 1/2 a mile?
The same youth who sit, celotaped to their phones, 18 hours a day?
The same youth who would rather sit at home on their consoles than socialise in pubs? (Look at how dead pubs are nowadays)
The same youth who don't want to work?
The same youth that have grown up in the most pampered lifestyle in human history?

These people want to venture? How absurd. These useless, thin-skinned 'stressed' individuals are a pox on any work place and you're concerned that they want to travel?

And if that wasnt bad enough, you're comparing these lazy-layabouts to a generation who lived through more technological changes than any other, who's bed time stories were that of two world wars, whos world opened from an iron-curtain-covered Europe to a land of wealth, freedom and prosperity?

You're either a heroin-addled, Buckie-swilling moron or a troll.
The "Yooth" doesn't seem to understand why gramps simply refuses to vote for comrade Corbyn and his gaggle of reds. I mean it's not as if they lived through a certain winter of discontent.
 

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The EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, told diplomats on Thursday the UK's proposed alternative to the Irish backstop was unworkable
During a briefing ahead of Mr Barclay's visit, he said the UK was picking and choosing from EU laws- and that none of the ideas were fully worked out.

Mr Barnier said the UK government's proposed solution to the backstop would put the single market at risk.

He said the UK's ideas so far involved managing different rules for customs and products on either side of the Irish border, rather than keeping them the same across the whole island.

The chief negotiator also claimed the UK's concept of a plant and animal health zone would require the EU to unravel some of its own rules.


The UK prime minister's spokesman acknowledged there was a "long way to go" before a deal could be reached.


 

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The EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, told diplomats on Thursday the UK's proposed alternative to the Irish backstop was unworkable
During a briefing ahead of Mr Barclay's visit, he said the UK was picking and choosing from EU laws- and that none of the ideas were fully worked out.

Mr Barnier said the UK government's proposed solution to the backstop would put the single market at risk.

He said the UK's ideas so far involved managing different rules for customs and products on either side of the Irish border, rather than keeping them the same across the whole island.

The chief negotiator also claimed the UK's concept of a plant and animal health zone would require the EU to unravel some of its own rules.


The UK prime minister's spokesman acknowledged there was a "long way to go" before a deal could be reached.


At this rate it would be faster and cheaper to just leave with no deal and build a wall between Ireland and NI (Trump can give tips on that).
Obviously chaos would come right after, but at least the UK would finally be rid of the EU. They can even sail the islands into the middle of the Atlantic for extra privacy!
 
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At this rate it would be faster and cheaper to just leave with no deal and build a wall between Ireland and NI (Trump can give tips on that).
Obviously chaos would come right after, but at least the UK would finally be rid of the EU. They can even sail the islands into the middle of the Atlantic for extra privacy!
Chaos tends to be pretty expensive and breaking out amid heightened tensions would guarantee an even bitter rivalry when trying to get a free trade agreement, on top of it UK's position as weak as it gets in talks to the third parties, like USA.
 

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The EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, told diplomats on Thursday the UK's proposed alternative to the Irish backstop was unworkable
During a briefing ahead of Mr Barclay's visit, he said the UK was picking and choosing from EU laws- and that none of the ideas were fully worked out.

Mr Barnier said the UK government's proposed solution to the backstop would put the single market at risk.

He said the UK's ideas so far involved managing different rules for customs and products on either side of the Irish border, rather than keeping them the same across the whole island.

The chief negotiator also claimed the UK's concept of a plant and animal health zone would require the EU to unravel some of its own rules.


The UK prime minister's spokesman acknowledged there was a "long way to go" before a deal could be reached.


Everything will be unworkable if it might pass parliament. Every single thing. At least until the last 10 minutes before a no deal exit happens, but they already put contingencies in place for that.
 

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Oooof! Tensions are rising fast in Britain over the past couple of days.

Getting the Supreme Court involved was a bad move. People were angry on QT last night, Lib Dems are having bricks thrown through the windows, traitor been written on walls near MP's office's, Jess Phillips has being all over the news telling everyone how many death threats she is getting, yet she full of glee over the courts ruling not to mention it was that other Labour MP that brought up Jo Cox not Boris. His "Humbug" comment was to the arguments for him shutting down Parliament not about Jo Cox. The entire Country is been held hostage by this zombie Parliament they've had a 500+ hours to debate Brexit another 5 days isn't going to change anything.

Call a GE you cowards, Geoffrey Cox is right the Turkeys won't vote for Christmas.
 
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Oooof! Tensions are rising fast in Britain over the past couple of days.

Getting the Supreme Court involved was a bad move. People were angry on QT last night, Lib Dems are having bricks thrown through the windows, traitor been written on walls near MP's office's, Jess Phillips has being all over the news telling everyone how many death threats she is getting, yet she full of glee over the courts ruling not to mention it was that other Labour MP that brought up Jo Cox not Boris. His "Humbug" comment was to the arguments for him shutting down Parliament not about Jo Cox. The entire Country is been held hostage by this zombie Parliament they've had a 500+ hours to debate Brexit another 5 days isn't going to change anything.

Call a GE you cowards, Geoffrey Cox is right the Turkeys won't vote for Christmas.
Re Jess Phillips:


The performative outrage over Boris being combative in parliament and winding them up over the surrender bill is remarkable from a parliament that has ceased to represent its electorate.
 
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Re Jess Phillips:


The performative outrage over Boris being combative in parliament and winding them up over the surrender bill is remarkable from a parliament that has ceased to represent its electorate.
She's so full of shit. Can give it and not take it always makes me laugh with the "I wouldn't even rape you tweet" :messenger_tears_of_joy:


The remain contingent might come to regret getting the Supreme Court involved if this turns out to be true.
 
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She's so full of shit. Can give it and not take it always makes me laugh with the "I wouldn't even rape you tweet" :messenger_tears_of_joy:


The remain contingent might come to regret getting the Supreme Court involved if this turns out to be true.
No doubt they'll come out with some bullshit, like it should have been raised sooner and its too far down the line now.
 
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Presumably he’ll give back his 6 months salary too?
Johnson did nothing wrong tho, it was the amount of time the propagation was for not the reasoning.

If the Henry VIII powers May used to get the 6 month extension is deemed illegal then the EU will owe us £6 billion, knocks the bill down to £33B :messenger_tears_of_joy:

No doubt they'll come out with some bullshit, like it should have been raised sooner and its too far down the line now.
Yeh the way things are going I wouldn't be surprised.
 
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Johnson did nothing wrong tho, it was the amount of time the propagation was for not the reasoning.

If the Henry VIII powers May used to get the 6 month extension is deemed illegal then the EU will owe us £6 billion, knocks the bill down to £33B :messenger_tears_of_joy:
Yeah and that Brexit MEP, and all other British MEPs would have been made redundant 6 months ago, so fairs fair!
 
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The EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, told diplomats on Thursday the UK's proposed alternative to the Irish backstop was unworkable
During a briefing ahead of Mr Barclay's visit, he said the UK was picking and choosing from EU laws- and that none of the ideas were fully worked out.

Mr Barnier said the UK government's proposed solution to the backstop would put the single market at risk.

He said the UK's ideas so far involved managing different rules for customs and products on either side of the Irish border, rather than keeping them the same across the whole island.

The chief negotiator also claimed the UK's concept of a plant and animal health zone would require the EU to unravel some of its own rules.


The UK prime minister's spokesman acknowledged there was a "long way to go" before a deal could be reached.


So far it sounds like "okay leave the EU but you have to still do all the EU stuff that you're fed up with, but now you don't get the benefits of the EU either." Do I have that right?