Ban porn but legalize prostitution.

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I highly doubt that most people who want porn banned/limited want violators to be harmed or imprisoned for a long time. The penalty could be as simple as a slap on the wrist with warnings and small fines to pay. Just because something is illegal does not mean that the gestapo is going to go break into houses and arrest violators. I don't want to be rude but it appears to me that you are putting words into his mouth.

Personally, I would like for pornography to be illegal for all of it's ill effects on society. However, I think that this would be impossible to do realistically. Though, even if there is no way to get something like this done, I think we should encourage men to start treating sex with more respect.
Any small fine is merely a classist discriminative penalty against the poor. For very wealthy individuals it will be no penalty at all.

And again when people talk of making things illegal it is not often to merely put a minor inconvenience, but to prohibit it. For it to be prohibited the penalties have to be serious enough. And there is no basis or justification for others to prohibit actions, to restrict freedom, that does no harm to anyone.

It is an unjust claim of dominion over the private property and rights of others, over their freedom. They have no right to this. Unjust initiation of physical violence, which is needed to even enforce any kind of penalty, is unacceptable.
 
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I don't think any of OP's conclusions about the effects of porn are universal, or proven beyond any degree of doubt. I do know that if you tried to ban something like it you'd just be making it that much more enticing to those young men you're so concerned about.

The answer isn't less porn, the answer is more education. The problem isn't that they're learning the wrong things from porn, the problem is that there isn't realistically anywhere else for them to learn the right things, at least for many/most? of them.

Legalized prostitution definitely isn't the answer. Making their primary sexual education a financial transaction is probably not the right message either. The things you want those young men to learn are learned from being in a relationship in the first place, and not a business one.

Which isn't to say I'm against legalized prostitution. If you can make it an effectively taxed and regulated profession that isn't run by scumbags preying upon young people who feel they have no other choice or outright slaves via human trafficking then sure, legalize it. What two or more consenting adults decide to spend their time doing in private is their business, regardless of how much money changes hands.
 
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Again what is meant by illegal? You mean deprive of freedom or resources by use of force? Theft and kidnapping done by the state? How can someone who has done no harm to another be deprived of their resources or of their freedom? Unjustly harmed just because you dislike what they do? That is quite authoritarian, and that is wrong, and that is unethical.
Treat it like movie and TV piracy.
 
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I agree on the ban porn sentiment, I struggle to go more than a week on nofap. I want to leave humanity behind with my gains but the semen retention just isn't there yet. Over the pond Jeremy Corbyn has a promising mandatory girlfriend policy. Wouldn't mind me a state appointed qtpuh2t gf.
 
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I highly doubt that most people who want porn banned/limited want violators to be harmed or imprisoned for a long time. The penalty could be as simple as a slap on the wrist with warnings and small fines to pay. Just because something is illegal does not mean that the gestapo is going to go break into houses and arrest violators. I don't want to be rude but it appears to me that you are putting words into his mouth.

Personally, I would like for pornography to be illegal for all of it's ill effects on society. However, I think that this would be impossible to do realistically. Though, even if there is no way to get something like this done, I think we should encourage men to start treating sex with more respect.
How about making it illegal and the only punishment you get is a letter by CatholicGamerGuy that informs you why it is a bad thing to consume porn? Individually written, of course.

Why do you want to control what consenting adults do that harms no one outside of them (and if it hurts them, then in a pretty abstract way)?
 
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How about making it illegal and the only punishment you get is a letter by CatholicGamerGuy that informs you why it is a bad thing to consume porn? Individually written, of course.

Why do you want to control what consenting adults do that harms no one outside of them (and if it hurts them, then in a pretty abstract way)?
What kind of argument is that? I don't understand why you are specifically targeting me and saying I should write letters to all violators of this hypothetical law. I can't think of any law that requires something like you are suggesting.

I would say porn does hurt people, and the evidence is apparent. When young men can just look at lewd pictures and such with a touch of a button anytime and anywhere they always have the temptation to look at porn and there are little to no filters besides their own willpower that can stop them. At least with magazine porn it isn't accessible at all times.

Porn objectifies women and makes them into objects for self gratification. The women in these pornos become no longer persons, but fantasies for men to sleep with. Who they are as a person, their hopes and dreams, personalities and the like no longer matters. I think if you want to sleep with someone you should at least know who they are.

These fantasies can cloud young men's idea of women and sex leading to unhealthy behaviors. Women begin to become tools and sex becomes an object. It can lead to relationships being about sexual gratification instead of actual love.

Many men struggle with porn and they need help to fight it. Why do you think there are many places online and in person where people can go for help in these situations? It can easily become an addiction. Do you honestly think that porn isn't harming society?
 
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What kind of argument is that? I don't understand why you are specifically targeting me and saying I should write letters to all violators of this hypothetical law. I can't think of any law that requires something like you are suggesting.
Calm down, it was just a joke, the more serious part of my posting is the latter half.

Regarding your view on porn: I do not know any porn actresses, but I am pretty sure they do not want people to care about their private life all too much and would prefer if they just consumed their products and left them alone otherwise. In terms of porn, objectification to a certain degree is very likely in the best interest of the actresses.

EDIT: And yes, I think porn does not harm society that much. Of course, there is some harm, but I'd say the -legal- porn industry produces less harm than e.g. the nicotine, alcohol, investment fonds industry or any of the large churches.
 
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How arrogant, , you have to realize not everyone can find love. You might be able to say everyone deserve love, finding it is another issue; epecially true now with the Metoo era. I personally see porn and legal prostitution as a legal release. Without them there would probably a quite a bit more sexual assault and rapist out there.
 
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I applaud the thread for taking seriously the catastrophic effect of internet pornography, and it surprises me how few observers (particularly those too young to remember the adult world prior to the internet, which makes them fundamentally blind here) are capable of grasping how radically different the current pornographic moment is from anything that existed prior.

It's actually a two-headed beast: the internet, and the smartphone. The internet alone created a new situation for pornography, but the most radical shift was when every person became endowed with a fundamentally private screen into the online world in their pocket at all times. The family PC still had various barriers to entry, but the smartphone means the typical (I mean quite literally the median) young adult today has already seen more (and more varied) pornographic images than any single person in the entirety of prior human history. And this absolutely changes everything, because sexual desire isn't a fixed appetite like hunger, and feeds off of prohibition / release, so that a world without barriers is a kind of perpetual destruction of the person.

I'll say this much: if I had in my hands a sci-fi supervirus or EMP capable of decimating the entire world's internet in one go, I would absolutely use it without hesitation, as should any rational agent.
 
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The family PC still had various barriers to entry, but the smartphone means the typical (I mean quite literally the median) young adult today has already seen more (and more varied) pornographic images than any single person in the entirety of prior human history.
Yeah when I was in high school in the late 90's, the family had 1 computer. Most people I knew were in the same boat. To look at porn, you had to be pretty sneaky, and this is where concerns about "deleting histories" originated, as a family generally shared the same device for internet access so covering your tracks was necessary lol.
 
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OK, here is my premise. Porn is fucking us up and causing a lot of problems. It seems to be linked to a lot of social ills, things like erectile dysfunction being seen in younger and younger men. Or the seriously declining amount of personal contact among young and healthy people, who more often choose to sit home and fap to porn. We see the rise of subcultures like "incels" that just seems like no good can come of it.

Young people (especially men) have unrealistic expectations of sex because of porn. They think every girl is going to be into crazy stuff and whatever fetish they have has been "normalized" from watching tons of videos about it. Just getting laid used to be enough....now it has to be a threesome with little people in SS uniforms or I can't get hard.

So let's get rid of porn, but legalize prostitution. At least there is actual human contact there, and there are boundaries to be followed. The women are actual people and not just objects on a screen. That is actually the norm in human history, we see that militaries, colleges, and even the Vatican have tolerated the existence of brothels nearby because they recognized the need for a safety valve for excess male "energy.'
Honestly you are better off providing more porn, rape will probably move up massively without it.

Be happy that guys find girls less interesting and doesn't get a boner from every single girl they see.
 
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I applaud the thread for taking seriously the catastrophic effect of internet pornography, and it surprises me how few observers (particularly those too young to remember the adult world prior to the internet, which makes them fundamentally blind here) are capable of grasping how radically different the current pornographic moment is from anything that existed prior.

It's actually a two-headed beast: the internet, and the smartphone. The internet alone created a new situation for pornography, but the most radical shift was when every person became endowed with a fundamentally private screen into the online world in their pocket at all times. The family PC still had various barriers to entry, but the smartphone means the typical (I mean quite literally the median) young adult today has already seen more (and more varied) pornographic images than any single person in the entirety of prior human history. And this absolutely changes everything, because sexual desire isn't a fixed appetite like hunger, and feeds off of prohibition / release, so that a world without barriers is a kind of perpetual destruction of the person.

I'll say this much: if I had in my hands a sci-fi supervirus or EMP capable of decimating the entire world's internet in one go, I would absolutely use it without hesitation, as should any rational agent.
You are like, my new favorite person. This post is everything I think about, every day. Especially the beginning.
 
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I would say porn does hurt people, and the evidence is apparent.
I'd say the evidence is circumstantial. Even if you were more specific and said that porn warped people, I'm not sure even that is true. Whenever you have a discussion about this sort of thing, it always boils down to nature vs nurture. Am I the person I am because of my environment, and more importantly, if I change my environment, will I change me? I think not, and I think a more likely outcome is that I would change my environment back, in whatever way I could. You take away my porn, and I'm going to be jerking it to Victoria's Secret catalogues. Failing that, Sears and JC Penny have an underwear section.

When young men can just look at lewd pictures and such with a touch of a button anytime and anywhere they always have the temptation to look at porn and there are little to no filters besides their own willpower that can stop them. At least with magazine porn it isn't accessible at all times.
I think we have to hold people responsible for their own choices. A vast majority of people handle porn just fine, and if there are ones that do not, can it really be said to be the porn's fault? I gave up eating sugar (as well as humanly possible these days). That was all me, and it felt good on many levels. I don't blame other people for me being overweight and I don't blame the cupcakes, and I don't think I'd appreciate if there was some guy punching me in the scrotum every time I tried to eat one. It would end up doing irreparable harm to my nards, and it has about a 0% chance of making a long term difference.

The thing that people have to understand is that willpower is a muscle. It gets stronger the more you use it, and there is a point where it becomes exhausted. Exercising willpower in one area of your life will leave less willpower for other areas. Using your willpower exhausts you, but you will get better at it because of it. If people lack willpower when it comes to porn, it may be that porn is not the problem. It may be that their life is so stressful and unusual that they use what little willpower they have just to make it from dawn to dusk. It could be that be that what they need is not less porn, but less burdens in their life like a shitty job or financial worries, or judgmental strangers on the internet telling them that they are bad people and they should feel bad.

Porn objectifies women and makes them into objects for self gratification.
I've never been convinced that "objectifies" is a real thing, especially when talking about fiction in which the thing being "objectified" is literally an object to begin with. The actress may be real, but the part she is playing never was, and we all instinctively know this just like we know that Mt. Doom isn't sitting around somewhere waiting for some tiny people with hirsute feet to throw a ring in it.

We are all born with a capacity for empathy, and we recognize the humanity in others instinctively. Those who do not are psychopaths. Literally. They do not become psychopaths because of the entertainment they consume. It is the make up of their brain, and they are born with it (or occasionally gain it through cranial trauma). People like Elliot Rodgers are psychopaths. Porn didn't make them that way. They were born with it. They spent their life learning how to read others and pretend to be one of us, but they never were.

The thing that is really going to blow you mind is that, at least according to all the documentaries I've seen (and for some reason, I've seen multiple), the dudes who think their Real Doll is a person (the ones who "personifies" a literal object), seem to be generous and respectful lovers. Awkward in a way that makes your skin crawl, but they treat their giant sex toys as if they were people. At the very least, we have the capacity to love objects, and if we are objectifying women through porn, maybe we're capable of personifying them right back into people.

These fantasies can cloud young men's idea of women and sex leading to unhealthy behaviors. Women begin to become tools and sex becomes an object. It can lead to relationships being about sexual gratification instead of actual love.
I'm curious about your understanding of love and relationships. Do you love a person when you first take them to pound town? Because in my experience, and I'll bet in many people's, love is something that happens much later - perhaps years later. It sneaks up on you like a warm blanket that is also a ninja assassin. Only then you do realize that what you had before was infatuation or lust. It all starts with a desire for sexual gratification. This fact doesn't diminish the time you had together. Far from it. You realize that it was the beginning of love, and all the more precious for it. You don't date the people you love, you love the people you date.

Many men struggle with porn and they need help to fight it. Why do you think there are many places online and in person where people can go for help in these situations? It can easily become an addiction. Do you honestly think that porn isn't harming society?
Porn addiction is a very different beast altogether. It is more about the addiction than the porn, and it usually comes from an excessive response to the pleasure centers of your brain. There is actually a thing as "addictive personality". Their brains are wired differently. But the thing is, there's a bunch of stuff that can trigger this response.

There's this show called My Strange Addiction (which also has an episode about Real Dolls) in which a guy was addicted to taking the hair out of people's drains and stroking it against his face. He couldn't stop. He didn't want to stop. Another guy was addicted to the attention he got for being disabled, and spent thousands of dollars a years buying medical supplies to keep him in casts. His ultimate dream was a full body cast, which he did, but his girlfriend was rather put off by having to wipe his butt for him and dumped him. If I were her, I would've made sure he earned his next cast the hard way.

The point is, when it comes to addiction, you have to make the choice whether you blame the tool or the wielder, and for everything else - gambling, drugs, alcohol, sex, Facebook, eating drywall, stroking hairballs - we blame the wielder, and rightfully so.
 
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I applaud the thread for taking seriously the catastrophic effect of internet pornography, and it surprises me how few observers (particularly those too young to remember the adult world prior to the internet, which makes them fundamentally blind here) are capable of grasping how radically different the current pornographic moment is from anything that existed prior.

It's actually a two-headed beast: the internet, and the smartphone. The internet alone created a new situation for pornography, but the most radical shift was when every person became endowed with a fundamentally private screen into the online world in their pocket at all times. The family PC still had various barriers to entry, but the smartphone means the typical (I mean quite literally the median) young adult today has already seen more (and more varied) pornographic images than any single person in the entirety of prior human history. And this absolutely changes everything, because sexual desire isn't a fixed appetite like hunger, and feeds off of prohibition / release, so that a world without barriers is a kind of perpetual destruction of the person.

I'll say this much: if I had in my hands a sci-fi supervirus or EMP capable of decimating the entire world's internet in one go, I would absolutely use it without hesitation, as should any rational agent.
I try to be careful with pornography, if I gotta rub one out I try to stick to just photos of nude and scantily clad ladies, not videos of people doing it.

Not that I never watch porn, but to be honest most of the typical internet porn isn't really a turn on to me much at all, it's just kinda gross, I can see that fucking someone up if they're exposed to it at too young an age or become addicted.

I wouldn't advocate banning porn or recommend someone avoid it entirely, but it's certainly got to be handled with caution.

Even the milder stuff I like can be addicting enough.

Yeah, you really have to wonder sometimes if the internet is more trouble than it's worth.
 
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No thanks, but legalize prostitution anyway.

It's not fair that rich people get all of the best shit. Now I can't even jack off to fine ass bitches or outlive my supreme fetishes or group sex fantasies because I don't have enough cash to pay for it? Fuck all that.

But seriously now in a modern society things become more accessible, not less. You can't ban porn because it can be used negatively or creates incels.
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I'd say the evidence is circumstantial. Even if you were more specific and said that porn warped people, I'm not sure even that is true. Whenever you have a discussion about this sort of thing, it always boils down to nature vs nurture. Am I the person I am because of my environment, and more importantly, if I change my environment, will I change me? I think not, and I think a more likely outcome is that I would change my environment back, in whatever way I could. You take away my porn, and I'm going to be jerking it to Victoria's Secret catalogues. Failing that, Sears and JC Penny have an underwear section.
There are several cases of pornography ruining someone's relationship and megatively affecting one's life and research and common sense corroborate this. One simply needs to look it up. Do you think a man's wife would be happy that her husband lusts over imaginary women rather than giving his passion over to her?

Are you making the case that pornography can be ill defined? I would argue that any material with the intent to cause erousal is pornographic in nature. Art that depicts the human body's sexuality is not pornographic if its purpose and use is simply to showcase the glory of it.

think we have to hold people responsible for their own choices. A vast majority of people handle porn just fine, and if there are ones that do not, can it really be said to be the porn's fault? I gave up eating sugar (as well as humanly possible these days). That was all me, and it felt good on many levels. I don't blame other people for me being overweight and I don't blame the cupcakes, and I don't think I'd appreciate if there was some guy punching me in the scrotum every time I tried to eat one. It would end up doing irreparable harm to my nards, and it has about a 0% chance of making a long term difference.

The thing that people have to understand is that willpower is a muscle. It gets stronger the more you use it, and there is a point where it becomes exhausted. Exercising willpower in one area of your life will leave less willpower for other areas. Using your willpower exhausts you, but you will get better at it because of it. If people lack willpower when it comes to porn, it may be that porn is not the problem. It may be that their life is so stressful and unusual that they use what little willpower they have just to make it from dawn to dusk. It could be that be that what they need is not less porn, but less burdens in their life like a shitty job or financial worries, or judgmental strangers on the internet telling them that they are bad people and they should feel bad.
There is one thing we agree on, stress can certainly affect one's willpower with porn. I also agree that willpower is finite and is not an infinite resource a man can draw upon. This doesn't mean however that view pornography is right or that people can't fight their sexual urge.

I'm curious about your understanding of love and relationships. Do you love a person when you first take them to pound town? Because in my experience, and I'll bet in many people's, love is something that happens much later - perhaps years later. It sneaks up on you like a warm blanket that is also a ninja assassin. Only then you do realize that what you had before was infatuation or lust. It all starts with a desire for sexual gratification. This fact doesn't diminish the time you had together. Far from it. You realize that it was the beginning of love, and all the more precious for it. You don't date the people you love, you love the people you date.
I have never been on a date, so my personal experience on intimate relationships is zilch.

I have however been infatuated before and saw some ladies that caught my fancy (I never did anything about it of course). I won't lie that there part of what fuels the feelings of attraction is physical beauty. But there is also personality and an understanding of who they are and what they like to do that accompanies it. I do not think about "smashing" any of them as I feel like that is innappropriate to even think about as they are human beings who likely don't want a man to be fantasizing about them (that is creepy).

I believe the components of a romantic relationship should follow like this: friendship/infatuation, true love, marriage, intercourse.

I think you should date people to try to get to know them. Then if you connect you try to grow that relationship into true love.

I've never been convinced that "objectifies" is a real thing, especially when talking about fiction in which the thing being "objectified" is literally an object to begin with. The actress may be real, but the part she is playing never was, and we all instinctively know this just like we know that Mt. Doom isn't sitting around somewhere waiting for some tiny people with hirsute feet to throw a ring in it.

We are all born with a capacity for empathy, and we recognize the humanity in others instinctively. Those who do not are psychopaths. Literally. They do not become psychopaths because of the entertainment they consume. It is the make up of their brain, and they are born with it (or occasionally gain it through cranial trauma). People like Elliot Rodgers are psychopaths. Porn didn't make them that way. They were born with it. They spent their life learning how to read others and pretend to be one of us, but they never were.

The thing that is really going to blow you mind is that, at least according to all the documentaries I've seen (and for some reason, I've seen multiple), the dudes who think their Real Doll is a person (the ones who "personifies" a literal object), seem to be generous and respectful lovers. Awkward in a way that makes your skin crawl, but they treat their giant sex toys as if they were people. At the very least, we have the capacity to love objects, and if we are objectifying women through porn, maybe we're capable of personifying them right back into people.
I never claimed that the people who watch pornography are insane or evil, just that the act is wrong and it should be avoided. It can lead people astray and lead to broken relationships and bad ideas on love and sex.

I never said that what happens in a porno is real. I'm sure there are many strange and exaggerated things in them. What I am saying is that the porn actress degrades herself with her "work" by making young men fawning over her by giving them impossible fantasies. She just becomes a disgusting idea to fufill some sick desire.

Sex is not some "thing" to be used to entertain yourself, it is an intimate act of love between a man and a woman. To use it for monetary gain and to get men horny is an abuse of an awesome gift.

Porn addiction is a very different beast altogether. It is more about the addiction than the porn, and it usually comes from an excessive response to the pleasure centers of your brain. There is actually a thing as "addictive personality". Their brains are wired differently. But the thing is, there's a bunch of stuff that can trigger this response.

There's this show called My Strange Addiction (which also has an episode about Real Dolls) in which a guy was addicted to taking the hair out of people's drains and stroking it against his face. He couldn't stop. He didn't want to stop. Another guy was addicted to the attention he got for being disabled, and spent thousands of dollars a years buying medical supplies to keep him in casts. His ultimate dream was a full body cast, which he did, but his girlfriend was rather put off by having to wipe his butt for him and dumped him. If I were her, I would've made sure he earned his next cast the hard way.

The point is, when it comes to addiction, you have to make the choice whether you blame the tool or the wielder, and for everything else - gambling, drugs, alcohol, sex, Facebook, eating drywall, stroking hairballs - we blame the wielder, and rightfully so.
I'm not blaming sex. Sex is a good, no, GREAT thing. I am saying that treating women and sex as tools to fufill sexual passion is a bad thing that can only lead to problems in the future.
 
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There are several cases of pornography ruining someone's relationship and megatively affecting one's life and research and common sense corroborate this. One simply needs to look it up.
Pornography also improves relationships and positively affects people's life. The question is, what is the difference between the negative affects and positive effects of pornography? And how much of an effect does it really have?

According to this article from Psychology Today, one study showed that "exposure to pornography explained less than 4% of the variance in adolescents behavior. This means that 96% of the reasons why these kids do the things they do have NOTHING to do with the fact that they saw pornography." - the study, which is linked from that article, is explicitly about the effect that pornography has on sexual behavior in 4,600 young people aged 15-25. If porn barely affects sexual behavior, I can't imagine that it has much affect elsewhere.

Do you think a man's wife would be happy that her husband lusts over imaginary women rather than giving his passion over to her?
My wife has never had a problem with it. And I've never had a problem with her reading her dirty stories over on Literotica either. Heck, we watch porn together. The mind is a playground, so play.

I have never been on a date, so my personal experience on intimate relationships is zilch.
It's brave of you to admit that, and I won't make fun of you for it, but I'm wondering if maybe you have considered that, due to your relative inexperience in relationships and sexuality, maybe you have a one sided view of things?

I have however been infatuated before and saw some ladies that caught my fancy (I never did anything about it of course). I won't lie that there part of what fuels the feelings of attraction is physical beauty. But there is also personality and an understanding of who they are and what they like to do that accompanies it. I do not think about "smashing" any of them as I feel like that is innappropriate to even think about as they are human beings who likely don't want a man to be fantasizing about them (that is creepy).
Eh. I mean, yeah, you should be respectful and you should be aware of the difference between fantasy and reality, but you know, girls like to get dirty too. My wife, when we watch porn together, she likes things a bit LBR. That's her term for "little bit rapey". Not like rape rapey, but a little bit rapey. Where consent is more like guidelines. There was this quote during a Doctor Who episode that really tickled her far more than it should've: "biting is like kissing, only there's a winner". It's not really my jam, personally, but we make it work. I have my limits though. You should've seen her eyes light up when she discovered what "pegging" was...

I'm just saying, it's great to be in a relationship where you don't have to act proper all the time. Nobody wants to hear "thank you, ma'am" after you orgasm. Sex is messy, smells funny, is physically exhausting, and sometimes you have to hose down something when you are done. It's a lot like Double Dare. If you are too young to get the reference, it was hilarious.

I believe the components of a romantic relationship should follow like this: friendship/infatuation, true love, marriage, intercourse.
Every relationship is different. They all start different, they grow different, they blossom different, but the good ones always end up in the same place.

I never claimed that the people who watch pornography are insane or evil, just that the act is wrong and it should be avoided. It can lead people astray and lead to broken relationships and bad ideas on love and sex.
Then let me be your living example that 25 years of pornography and being in a monogamous relationship has not led me astray, broken my relationship, or given me an unhealthy outlook on love or sex.

I never said that what happens in a porno is real. I'm sure there are many strange and exaggerated things in them. What I am saying is that the porn actress degrades herself with her "work" by making young men fawning over her by giving them impossible fantasies. She just becomes a disgusting idea to fufill some sick desire.
You know, sometimes it is. If you read the stories about some of these actresses, like Allie Sin, Christy Mack, or Linda Lovelace, you see that they came from broken homes or the foster care system, molested as children, abused by their partner, and forced to degrade themselves to pay for their drug habits. I mean, it happens. But I'm not sure that's representative of the industry these days.

I think attitudes about sex and sex work has changed considerably, and the business is no longer dependent on broken people to work. Some of the women are in the industry because they want to be, and because they enjoy it. One pornstar, Asia Carrera, is a member of Mensa, a concert pianist, taught English in Japan at age 16, built her own website by hand back when the internet was new, and even created her own Unreal Tournament mod. She was never trapped by porn, or tricked into it, and I don't think she'd agree that she ever degraded herself. There's another (I want to say Mia Khalifa?) who is doing porn while also attending Harvard. And judging by the number of cam girls who perform in libraries, many are well read. (Since you don't watch porn, you'll have to trust me, that was hilarious too)

Sex is not some "thing" to be used to entertain yourself, it is an intimate act of love between a man and a woman.
It can be both.

I'm not blaming sex. Sex is a good, no, GREAT thing. I am saying that treating women and sex as tools to fufill sexual passion is a bad thing that can only lead to problems in the future.
Eh. Sometimes, they're the tools. Sometimes, you're the tool. Sometimes, when the internet isn't down, you both get to watch some other tools going to town. Sometimes you are the hammer and sometimes you are the one getting nailed.
 
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I have never been on a date, so my personal experience on intimate relationships is zilch.

I have however been infatuated before and saw some ladies that caught my fancy (I never did anything about it of course). I won't lie that there part of what fuels the feelings of attraction is physical beauty. But there is also personality and an understanding of who they are and what they like to do that accompanies it. I do not think about "smashing" any of them as I feel like that is innappropriate to even think about as they are human beings who likely don't want a man to be fantasizing about them (that is creepy).

I believe the components of a romantic relationship should follow like this: friendship/infatuation, true love, marriage, intercourse.
Just curious if you are studying to be a priest or perhaps may be called to the priesthood?

Marriage is amazing, and obviously it is the state of life that the vast majority of us are called to. I always admired my parish priests and thought it would be amazing to get to serve God that way. In my juvenile mind it was like having super powers. But I was also always girl crazy and figured out by high school age that what I wanted most was a girl. God eventually gave me an amazing wife, a doctor, and we have been married now for 14 years.
 
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Legalize both. We need to stop hiding and pretending like it's not the world's oldest profession.

Quick history lesson prostitutes built and paid for the entire city of San Francisco
 
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Just curious if you are studying to be a priest or perhaps may be called to the priesthood?

Marriage is amazing, and obviously it is the state of life that the vast majority of us are called to. I always admired my parish priests and thought it would be amazing to get to serve God that way. In my juvenile mind it was like having super powers. But I was also always girl crazy and figured out by high school age that what I wanted most was a girl. God eventually gave me an amazing wife, a doctor, and we have been married now for 14 years.
I'm not currently studying to the priesthood but I am open to the vocation. I honestly have no idea who I am supposed to be. I know one is supposed to follow one's heart and pray but it still isn't clear. I know I love children, and I love women, but that doesn't necessarily mean I am to marry. I'm also not the most social person. I honestly feel on a crossroads where I have to think and do something quick as a young man while opportunities are still open to me both career wise and spiritually.

So your wife is a doctor? That's pretty cool! What does she practice? I actually have a couple of sisters who are going into medicine themselves.
 
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I'm not currently studying to the priesthood but I am open to the vocation. I honestly have no idea who I am supposed to be. I know one is supposed to follow one's heart and pray but it still isn't clear. I know I love children, and I love women, but that doesn't necessarily mean I am to marry. I'm also not the most social person. I honestly feel on a crossroads where I have to think and do something quick as a young man while opportunities are still open to me both career wise and spiritually.

So your wife is a doctor? That's pretty cool! What does she practice? I actually have a couple of sisters who are going into medicine themselves.
How old are you, if you don't mind my asking? Although I would think the social thing would be pretty big for a priest. Although I guess there are different orders who serve in different ways.

Ear nose and throat practice. Bringing home lots of gross germs. We are a doctor and a lawyer, like the Huckstables in reverse.