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[EDMIX]

honestly I just didn't buy it because I spent that cash on other games. it looks good but since the delay it went from maybe day 1 to eh ill buy it later.

I got it day 1, but if you got other games you are playing, yea I'd wait. It will be cheaper and by spring will have more modes, maps, weapons and more balanced. I'm loving it so far, the gun play is soooooo good, almost at BF4 level. They did a great job on this one.

 

[TheSadRanger]

It's 50% off already in some stores. Can be had for $30. wtf, that was quick. Seems the retailers front loaded their stock too much, and it ain't flying off the shelves. I've said it before and I'll say it again; that cover does not lend itself to the primary demographic that plays this series on console/controller, i.e casual dude bros.



The female demographic for Call of duty and Battlefield is most assuredly not growing in relative terms. Absolutely, sure. But the most dominant bulk of the buyers of this series will continue being males so the demographic focus should not awkwardly change with shoehorned bullshit, or sales will suffer. The tiny minority of girl gamers playing competitive online shooters cannot carry this series, or even keep it alive.

Speaking of which, there's a larger issue here with the "race to the bottom" that AAA games have taken a trend to lately when sales look even slightly negative. It's really not healthy for the industry.

 

[EDMIX]

My point is it has a political agenda whether it's about me or not which it's clearly not about me. Alt-right wouldn't like me one bit, doesn't mean I want crap about them spewed in my games. I game to get away from the real world.

? Well the game is a reference to the real world. Any game based on this logic can have a "political agenda". You'd never even know if a developer even did that in games anyway, you playing for fun or based on what the developer believes? lol

How would you 100% even know you where playing a game that didn't have that put in?

 

[bilderberg]

By your own admission then, no ww2 game can have women in Major roles and make sense, so tough luck to all female gamers that enjoy war shooters and would like to be able to pick someone to represent themselves?

Pick a white dude and like it? Is that really the line we are drawing here?

not true

but you're just being purposely dense at this point

 

[Stuart360]

lol at people trying to suggest the low sales are because of digital. Yes nothing to do with the backlash of hate against it, the people saying they wont buy it, or EA/Dice telling people to fuck off and not buy the game if you dont like it. No none of that, its all down to digital.
The game flopped, end of story.

 

[Akira1983]

What major roles?

Like front and center on the battlefield along with male soldiers

Do you think the people who would enjoy being able to play as a female avatar care if there were women actually on the front lines in some of these major battles? In a video game?

Battlefield is the Michael bay of WW2 representation both in authenticity and realism

 

[InterMusketeer]

And yeah I mean show me a battlefield game that didn't feature a white dude front and center

 

[Akira1983]

not true

but you're just being purposely dense at this point

Creating another MOH underground with a Manon for example, isn't good enough

People enjoy battlefield, some of those people are women. Some of those women care about having characters they can relate to to play as in the game

It's harms you 0% to have the option, it harms them a lot more to never get that chance

 

[EDMIX]

Its just kinda proves again if you listen or even hire the typical twitter sjw you better dont care about money because sjw dont actually buy the games, comics or movies they loudly scream about and demand to change to suit their opinions, they simple do that to spread their ideology and subvert everything they can get their hands on.
Companies that still dont get that they are just a loud twitter minority and think they maybe a bigger audience and are ready to lose a part of their own established fan base in some cases even literally insulting them before the first sales numbers are even in... are just lol at this point (looking at you cali sony).
This particular example isnt even that bad besides"muh authenticity/actual history" it is even refreshing that you can shoot guys and gals and not just the typical hordes of men like it usually is especially in single player campaigns.
Just dont force it in games that it doesn't make sense and with it rewrite history/glorify the past into something better that it never was, stop trying to do this crap for the wrong idiotic reasons and then have the audacity to expect your customers to be blind idiots that dont call you out on it or you may lose money lol
This is like the BBC getting angry when people point out its bullshit that they change literal European history, not some dumb Hollywood movie but BBC literally looking at history through rose tinted glasses and changing ANYTHING they didnt like about history for the sake of today's ideas of inclusion. Its fucking idiotic and everyone can see what you are doing.

"Just dont force it in games that it doesn't make sense and with it rewrite history/glorify"

You don't need to play a girl in the game, you can pick what your character looks like. No one is forcing you to...

This isn't a biography, when WWII happened, you didn't just have multiple lives and revive folks from headshots by picking them up... so to ask of this to suddenly be something the series never was, seems like a way to argue about something. I don't play BF for history lessons, pretty sure history is still the same as a video game isn't changing what already happened and pretty sure the MP part of this game had NOTHING to do with telling some re-enactment verbatim.

Lots of games actually exist for that exact concept btw, simply not this one. I don't game for feelings so anything regarding this was pretty much irrelevant to me lol

 

[Akira1983]

Ok good example

Keep it going

 

[EDMIX]

Like front and center on the battlefield along with male soldiers

Do you think the people who would enjoy being able to play as a female avatar care if there were women actually on the front lines in some of these major battles? In a video game?

Battlefield is the Michael bay of WW2 representation both in authenticity and realism

lol

This.

I have to question why anyone was looking to this series for a history lesson. Pick up a book, watch history channel etc

 

[InterMusketeer]

Ok good example

Keep it going

 

[Akira1983]

That's the same game?

Surely in a franchise with over 8+ entries there are other examples?

 

[Stuart360]

We have tons of modern day and future FPS games with women in them, and how many times do you hear people moaning about them?, exactly. Its nothing to do with sexism or anything like that. People just get annoyed because they think its been forced in for SJW agenda purposes. Not trying to speak for anyone, just saying what i have read from people.

 

[DonF]

I really didn't want to get the game, but the beta, the fact that I didn't play bf1, I had a 20% coupon and my brother paying half of it, convinced me. And it really is an awesome game.
Too bad that I can already tell what EA has planned as monetization. Hell, the beta had gun pieces that the full game lacks, the best ones!

EA learned from battlefront, cause I believe that all the bs is going to get patched in in a later date.

 

[danielberg]

lol

This.

I have to question why anyone was looking to this series for a history lesson. Pick up a book, watch history channel etc

Its not necessarily that, its that everyone knows exactly why this happens now suddenly in every medium be it comics, movies, games, bbc news, in fucking linux lol or on campus etc and people despite what some of you think are not blind and stupid and just dont want to support sjw rewriting history, idealizing the past (which is dangerous) and forcing shit ideology on everyone for their obvious political bullshit.
Doesnt matter that some ceo is too dumb to see he is getting fooled or rather doesnt care because he thinks thats the direction because of a small minority screaming extra loud on social media, these same ceos will realize they got fooled when getting "sjw woke" loses them millions as it always does.

 

[InterMusketeer]

That's the same game?

Surely in a franchise with over 8+ entries there are other examples?

I was just interested to see how much further you were going to move the goal post. Seems like you took the bait.

 

[Chairman Tickles]

tbf I feel like most people were willing to ignore EA's crappy marketing, myself included. But the first mission arc of BF5 has them take a specific event of ww2 with specific people with specific names and accomplishments, and delete them from history, replacing them with a made up woman and a girl. This goes deeper than mere marketing department running amok. The agenda is overbearing. They could have focused on any number of female units on the eastern front, many of who's names and achievements are recorded on paper. They went with brazen historical revisionism instead.

 

[Racer!]

That's the same game?

Surely in a franchise with over 8+ entries there are other examples?

Who are you arguing with really? If people dont want women in a WW2 game, they just dont buy it. Real simple. You sjw`s can argue all you want.

Guess what, BFV didnt sell so well, surprise. So theres that.

 

[EDMIX]

Its not necessarily that, its that everyone knows exactly why this happens now suddenly in every medium be it comics, movies, games, bbc news, in fucking linux lol or on campus etc and people despite what some of you think are not blind and stupid and just dont want to support sjw rewriting history and idealizing the past (which is dangerous) for their obvious political bullshit. Doesnt matter that some ceo is too dumb to see he is getting fooled or rather doesnt care because he thinks thats the direction because of a small minority screaming extra loud on social media, these same ceos will realize they got fooled when getting "sjw woke" loses them millions as it always does.

" just dont want to support sjw rewriting history" ?? how? This isn't a history book or a biography, no where in this game is it telling you the exact things happening in MP or even the SP are 100% factual and based on exact specific events, in fact most games, shows, comics, films etc are not even doing that. They are pretty much historical fiction, as in based on a war that happened, not based on 1.1 exact events or about any real persons life etc.

So the reason I don't care is I don't game based on what the developer believes, they have the right to create just like you have the right not to buy. You just sound like you are getting triggered cause a group you disagree with is making games, comics, films, shows, art etc. Who cares? Sounds so damn childish. I disagree with lots of things politically, that doesn't mean I'm buying my damn games based on what someone politically or religiously believes as you start to question why you are even gaming in the first place. So I don't hate any one group, MORE then I love gaming.

I might hate trump, that doesn't mean I won't buy someone's game that supports him even if he has his beliefs in the game. Why? Cause any damn medium will have someone having something they believe in inside of their work. What would be my solution? Oh don't buy anything by someone that might believe that? Ok, how would we go about finding that out? Oh what if its every single major studio in gaming? Oh quit gaming because of that?

Do you not see just how stupid that starts to sound? Let me know when you are going to invent that machine that lets you read people's minds so you can only buy games from studios of folks that 100% only think like you...

 

[dano1]

lol at people trying to suggest the low sales are because of digital. Yes nothing to do with the backlash of hate against it, the people saying they wont buy it, or EA/Dice telling people to fuck off and not buy the game if you dont like it. No none of that, its all down to digital.
The game flopped, end of story.

One of the best shooters made. End of story.

 

[EDMIX]

tbf I feel like most people were willing to ignore EA's crappy marketing, myself included. But the first mission arc of BF5 has them take a specific event of ww2 with specific people with specific names and accomplishments, and delete them from history, replacing them with a made up woman and a girl. This goes deeper than mere marketing department running amok. The agenda is overbearing. They could have focused on any number of female units on the eastern front, many of who's names and achievements are recorded on paper. They went with brazen historical revisionism instead.

smh, buddy....its historical fiction, you telling me all historical fiction must now all be about some secret agenda? wow folks.

 

[Stuart360]

One of the best shooters made. End of story.

And that makes it flopping even more sweeter for me.

 

[dano1]

And that makes it flopping even more sweeter for me.

You must need a discount?

 

[Stuart360]

You must be broke and need a discount?

Nope, not buying it.

 

[Chairman Tickles]

smh, buddy....its historical fiction, you telling me all historical fiction must now all be about some secret agenda? wow folks.

I'd believe you if this was entirely made up. But it isn't, it has specific events taking place in a specific location regarding a specific heavy water plant in a specific time period, in a game about a specific war. So agenda is clearly brazen and being broadcast from the hilltops. It's not inclusion, it's targeted revisionism.

 

[dano1]

Nope, not buying it.

Because.....

 

[danielberg]

" just dont want to support sjw rewriting history" ?? how? This isn't a history book or a biography, no where in this game is it telling you the exact things happening in MP or even the SP are 100% factual and based on exact specific events, in fact most games, shows, comics, films etc are not even doing that. They are pretty much historical fiction, as in based on a war that happened, not based on 1.1 exact events or about any real persons life etc.

So the reason I don't care is I don't game based on what the developer believes, they have the right to create just like you have the right not to buy. You just sound like you are getting triggered cause a group you disagree with is making games, comics, films, shows, art etc. Who cares? Sounds so damn childish. I disagree with lots of things politically, that doesn't mean I'm buying my damn games based on what someone politically or religiously believes as you start to question why you are even gaming in the first place. So I don't hate any one group, MORE then I love gaming.

I might hate trump, that doesn't mean I won't buy someone's game that supports him even if he has his beliefs in the game. Why? Cause any damn medium will have someone having something they believe in inside of their work. What would be my solution? Oh don't buy anything by someone that might believe that? Ok, how would we go about finding that out? Oh what if its every single major studio in gaming? Oh quit gaming because of that?

Do you not see just how stupid that starts to sound? Let me know when you are going to invent that machine that lets you read people's minds so you can only buy games from studios of folks that 100% only think like you...

You reall dont get it, sjw have ruined and subverted movies, media, the bbc, books, linux, games, literal science pushing out scientists even attack scientists that dont conform to their idiocy, made a laughing stocks out of several universities and higher education by literally telling lies to students and to the point you can bet money on universities losing 20% enrollment if it comes out they cater to sjw crap, sjw made a absolute mess with sexulity/gender/sex to the point of complete utter monthy phyton nonsense of "make up your gender hurr durr be the dragon you want to be", have spread outright racism, put entire groups of people on their abritrary victim tier lists, have poisoned education with literal lies, attack people with mobs getting them fired, deliberately rewrite history, attacked and even doxxed routinely game developers that dont care about their shit be it bethesda or cd project red or warhorse studios etc the crap goes on and on.
Can you really blame anyone that is suspicious and doesnt want to support that shit under any circumstance anymore?
When you then have a company literally attacking its fanbase basically moonlighting the vocabulary and exact misrepresentations that sjw use while doing so.. again can you blame anyone sick of this shit not supporting them? Because i cant.

 

[InterMusketeer]

smh, buddy....its historical fiction, you telling me all historical fiction must now all be about some secret agenda? wow folks.

That's not what Söderlund said: "These are people who are uneducated — they don't understand that this is a plausible scenario..."

It's cool that your interpretation of this game is that it's somehow 'historical fiction' but the facts say otherwise.

 

[Stuart360]

Because.....

Because i dont agree with the SJW agenda shite, and i was also told not to buy the game if i dont believe in the SJW agenda shite, so i didn't.

 

[dano1]

Because i dont agree with the SJW agenda shite, and i was also told not to buy the game if i dont believe in the SJW agenda shite, so i didn't.

Sorry what does SJW stand for?

 

[EDMIX]

You reall dont get it, sjw have ruined and subverted movies, media, the bbc, books, linux, games, literal science pushing out scientists even attack scientists that dont conform to their idiocy, made a laughing stocks out of several universities and higher education by literally telling lies to students and to the point you can bet money on universities losing 20% enrollment if it comes out they cater to sjw crap, sjw made a absolute mess with sexulity/gender/sex to the point of complete utter monthy phyton nonsense of "make up your gender hurr durr be the dragon you want to be", have spread outright racism, put entire groups of people on their abritrary victim tier lists, have poisoned education with literal lies, attack people with mobs getting them fired, deliberately rewrite history, attacked and even doxxed routinely game developers that dont care about their shit be it bethesda or cd project red or warhorse studios etc the crap goes on and on.
Can you really blame anyone that is suspicious and doesnt want to support that shit under any circumstance anymore?
When you then have a company literally attacking its fanbase basically moonlighting the vocabulary and exact misrepresentations that sjw use while doing so.. again can you blame anyone sick of this shit not supporting them? Because i cant.

"You reall dont get it, sjw have ruined and subverted movies, media, the bbc, books, linux, games"

Can add in conservatives, religious groups etc This isn't the first time a medium has had free will in regards to what is added in based on what a developer believes. If you think its happening now with SJW, it means its been happening with other groups far beyond that.

So I don't buy anything based on what the person believes, you'd have a short list of what to watch or play with such logic. You know not of what 100% of a team even believes in the first place, sounds irrelevant to me tbh

 

[EDMIX]

I'd believe you if this was entirely made up. But it isn't, it has specific events taking place in a specific location regarding a specific heavy water plant in a specific time period, in a game about a specific war. So agenda is clearly brazen and being broadcast from the hilltops. It's not inclusion, it's targeted revisionism.

? Historical fiction pretty much is a fake story and event, based on a setting that really happened.

This isn't a history book man, to get so emotional over this is silly considering its not made to even remotely suggest the exact things happening are factual. Not many things are...

Its called Historical "fiction" for a reason, its not made to be a biography, you might as well say anything you don't agree with must be some secret "agenda", do you not hear how silly it is to really go around spewing that? That would be like me not playing Uncharted cause "white male" and then go around telling folks its a secret right wing agenda, yup bro this agenda is clearly brazen bro! /s

So in no way shape or form, someone wanted to just make a fake story about WWII? It must be an agenda? No one has ever made anything without secret motive to take over world?

 

[OverIt]

"You reall dont get it, sjw have ruined and subverted movies, media, the bbc, books, linux, games"

Can add in conservatives, religious groups etc This isn't the first time a medium has had free will in regards to what is added in based on what a developer believes. If you think its happening now with SJW, it means its been happening with other groups far beyond that.

So I don't buy anything based on what the person believes, you'd have a short list of what to watch or play with such logic. You know not of what 100% of a team even believes in the first place, sounds irrelevant to me tbh

It only matters what the director believes.

 

[Shmunter]

Would love for something like this to be clarified. Is it death of Physical by Digital, or it's just a poor performing game. Perhaps a ratio of both.

 

[danielberg]

"You reall dont get it, sjw have ruined and subverted movies, media, the bbc, books, linux, games"

Can add in conservatives,

No, you cannot add conservatives because you are talking about the past and not about what is happening right now.
For the most part today its now conservatives that defend traditional liberal views this is how fucked everything is.
Sjw Librals go after freedom of speech today via censorship and made up hate speech rules, they put entire people above one another based on unchanging characteristics like skin color/minority or majority status/ history etc, they today dont let people they dont agree with speak on campus, they literally want scientists dead that dont conform with their new found believe system and want actual scientifically proven facts banned and silenced if they dont agree etc
These are all things conservatives today defend against, its conservatives today that are against social media censorship/made up hate speech rules, not letting people speak on campus, against putting one group above another because of history minority or majority status or skin color, its them that now defend scientists getting attacked by sjw.
Actually looking at science i correct myself they now get it from both sides conservatives and liberals lool looking at global warming for example on the conservative side ughh.

 

[-MD-]

Two steps forward with gameplay and design (fort building, gun feedback & selection) and one step backwards with story and political hiccups.

I'm just glad I don't care about story or politics.

 

[Stuart360]

Would love for something like this to be clarified. Is it death of Physical by Digital, or it's just a poor performing game. Perhaps a ratio of both.

If its because of digital, why are we not getting these stories for every game released in the last year or so?. Plus digital sales have doubled in a year?, i doubt it.

 

[cryptoadam]

So far no problems getting full games in Grand Operations on PS4 in EST time zone.

Sales don't matter as much compared to a healthy steady player base. I think XBOX numbers are pretty low. If servers become ghost towns then the game really in trouble.

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

I didn't buy it, but personally, that was because I've played enough WW2 games in my life and prefer modern settings. That being said, I don't see the harm of having female characters included, but I think Dice / Activision went about responding to the criticism in the wrong way. If including women, people of colour, etc. was so that those people could play the game as a character better reflecting themselves, just say that, and leave it at that. Instead, they decided to turn it into a political war by putting people on the right and wrong side of history. It was like they wanted to pick a fight, and they got it, and it seems that it may have (at least in some part) affected the sales of the game.

 

[EDMIX]

No, you cannot add conservatives because you are talking about the past and not about what is happening right now.
For the most part today its now conservatives that defend traditional liberal views this is how fucked everything is.
Sjw Librals go after freedom of speech today via censorship and made up hate speech rules, they put entire people above one another based on unchanging characteristics like skin color/minority or majority status/ history etc, they today dont let people they dont agree with speak on campus, they literally want scientists dead that dont conform with their new found believe system and want actual scientifically proven facts banned and silenced if they dont agree etc
These are all things conservatives today defend against, its conservatives today that are against social media censorship/made up hate speech rules, not letting people speak on campus, against putting one group above another because of history minority or majority status or skin color, its them that now defend scientists getting attacked by sjw.
You can deny these facts for all i care doesn't matter to me or the truth.

"No, you cannot add conservatives" ???

Huh? OH so one group of folks will change stuff in a game, film, show etc, but never this group?

Smh wow bud. The point being made is that ANY GROUP can do this in terms of adding something in a medium based on what they believe. You are legit getting so triggered, you don't even get I don't care about left vs right. Thats what you want to argue about...

Going to have to add you to the ignore list man, you write like you are foaming at the mouth like something is seriously emotionally wrong with you. Point is simple, if something can be changed in a game by a group of people, any group of people can change anything based on the same reasons.

You seem to be more mad at the group itself. So this sounds like a personal emotional thing if anything else (aka non-issue)

Going to have to add you to the ignore list man, you write like you are foaming at the mouth like something is seriously emotionally wrong with you.

 

[OverIt]

"No, you cannot add conservatives" ???

Huh? OH so one group of folks will change stuff in a game, film, show etc, but never this group?

Smh wow bud. The point being made is that ANY GROUP can do this in terms of adding something in a medium based on what they believe. You are legit getting so triggered, you don't even get I don't care about left vs right. Thats what you want to argue about...

Going to have to add you to the ignore list man, you write like you are foaming at the mouth like something is seriously emotionally wrong with you. Point is simple, if something can be changed in a game by a group of people, any group of people can change anything based on the same reasons.

You seem to be more mad at the group itself. So this sounds like a personal emotional thing if anything else (aka non-issue)

Going to have to add you to the ignore list man, you write like you are foaming at the mouth like something is seriously emotionally wrong with you.

Its never the group, it is the director. He has full say in everything in a game. And generally it is not conservatives that make games, movies and media in general. It is usually the liberals. Only thing is that the liberals are more left now.

 

[EDMIX]

Its never the group, it is the director. He has full say in everything in a game. And generally it is not conservatives that make games, movies and media in general. It is usually the liberals. Only thing is that the liberals are more left now.

"And generally it is not conservatives that make games, movies and media" LOL! Oh wait......you serious?

So you know literally millions of people personally in those industries and know legit they are "not conservative"?

Just when you think you heard it all...

 

[LegendOfKage]

That thumbnail.

 

[IISANDERII]

In a time where anyone with a conservative view was/is considered a Nazi by extremist leftists, they were clearly trying to fuel a political fire in a bad political climate. I have no problem shooting nazis in a videogame, I grew up playing W3D but don't appreciate them pushing an agenda with their marketing.


Doesn't bother me at all. I play games like the Atelier series, Horizon Zero Dawn, Tomb Raider, Heavenly Sword, etc. Again it's just the idea that they were pushing a political agenda that bothers me. If you want to create a storyline entirely based on women or a LGBT character then all I care about is the quality of the story. If you decide to rewrite history to push an agenda then no thanks. Yes there were women in WW2 but you're literally talking about a droplet in the bucket. For example, Bioware has bisexual characters in their games and I love them. Now if they made Geralt bisexual to cave into social pressure then I would drop the Witcher games. If they make Witcher 4 about Ciri then awesome. If they made Geralt into a female character for a reboot just because "it's 2018" then I'd be annoyed. Make sense?

No it doesn't make sense at all to me because you're rationale is "rewriting history" and I don't know where you're getting that.

 

[OverIt]

"And generally it is not conservatives that make games, movies and media" LOL! Oh wait......you serious?

So you know literally millions of people personally in those industries and know legit they are "not conservative"?

Just when you think you heard it all...

As I said, it is just the directors. So we are talking about 100s of thousands throughout history in video games. And it is common knowledge the people who go into media are mostly liberal. The bigger question is who isnt. Like I know the guy from Kingdom Come Deliverance is not.

 

[flashfire926]

That's what you get for pandering to people who dont even play your games.

 

[Zewp]

"Just dont force it in games that it doesn't make sense and with it rewrite history/glorify"

You don't need to play a girl in the game, you can pick what your character looks like. No one is forcing you to...

This isn't a biography, when WWII happened, you didn't just have multiple lives and revive folks from headshots by picking them up... so to ask of this to suddenly be something the series never was, seems like a way to argue about something. I don't play BF for history lessons, pretty sure history is still the same as a video game isn't changing what already happened and pretty sure the MP part of this game had NOTHING to do with telling some re-enactment verbatim.

Lots of games actually exist for that exact concept btw, simply not this one. I don't game for feelings so anything regarding this was pretty much irrelevant to me lol

Exactly.

Like I said in an earlier post, the verkramptes aren't upset that DICE added females so much as that they're upset that DICE added an option that they knew other players were going to choose to use. If playing as a female in WWII was so horrible, nobody would choose to do it. And yet, every match I have played so far has had loads of female avatars in it.

To be honest, I prefer it this way. The game and community is better off without the verkramptes.

It's ironic because post-release people were complaining about "muh-muh black dudez in muh WWI vidya reeeee!"

 

[Mattyp]

I got banned from REEEEEra within 5 posts for pointing out how bad this would sell after pandering, then telling your fans to not buy the game if they take issue with it isn't the best marketing move and I'm a sexist bigot if I don't want women in my WW2 shooter. My told you so grin is full flight, maybe those naysayers should of picked the game up?

Everyone else I know chose not to pick it up either, people can argue their points which way or the next but this hurt the company and costs them millions. And that's satisfying if nothing else.

So where do they go from here with the next BF? Do we see a return to the norm in trailers and settings/period or do they double down? I think we'll finally get back to a modern shooter next release anyway so they should be safe either way...

 

[Shmunter]

I got banned from REEEEEra within 5 posts for pointing out how bad this would sell after pandering, then telling your fans to not buy the game if they take issue with it isn't the best marketing move and I'm a sexist bigot if I don't want women in my WW2 shooter. My told you so grin is full flight, maybe those naysayers should of picked the game up?

Everyone else I know chose not to pick it up either, people can argue their points which way or the next but this hurt the company and costs them millions. And that's satisfying if nothing else.

So where do they go from here with the next BF? Do we see a return to the norm in trailers and settings/period or do they double down? I think we'll finally get back to a modern shooter next release anyway so they should be safe either way...

I wager it will be - WW2 doesn't resonate with gamers.

The issue of creating a WW2 vision that doesn't resonate with people will not be part of the official dialogue.