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Battlefield 5 physical sales down more than half on Battlefield 1

I do imagine a small minority did not buy it because of women(who cares though since that's their prerogative). I also really doubt that this small minority is big enough to actually have had damage to sales to this effect where a game gets dropped 50% of its cost in physical copies. Plus I think the people STILL focusing on the whole "women" narrative need to just give up on both sides. It is such a dullard thing.
Your second point of saying BF1 and people being pissed about it being bad is laughable. Sales data posted not too long ago show it as one of the best selling games this generation. The game was also met with great reception and still has a great reputation in general. The community STILL is going strong. I may be a bit biased cause I really enjoy the game and have put 100+ hours into it but the facts speak for themselves.

Personally, I have purchased many BF games(plenty I haven't). Was gonna skip BF1 till I played it in beta. Was gonna pick up BF5 till I played it in beta. There are lots of real changes to the game that I like but can be polarizing. I think these are the true contributors aside from MAYBE the summation of maybe these disenfranchised smaller groups. There are just too many contributing factors to the fall in sales and EA doing everything it can in damage control prior to the game's release.
Side note: I LOVE the change to TTK in the beta. It was perfect but I don't know if it is different on release.

I would suggest to get this game, its awesome. If you are worried about price buy it at half off if there still is the deal, or wait a few months because it will get all the DLC and will for sure drop in price again.

I think 90% of the bitching about this game is because people aren't used to playing it, the guns, maps, and don't have many unlocks. After you put in some time you start to play the game the way its meant to be played and its probably one of the best BF's even without Operations/conquest in there.
 
If the game is so great and the shoehorned SJW bullcrap has nothing to do with the mediocre sales, what IS there to blame them on?

I mean, from what I've heard, gameplay wise, it's probably one of the best battlefield games ever.

And TItanfall 2 is one of the best shooters this gen, doesn't mean its going to outsell BF or COD.

Putting it against Red Dead 2 and COD with a battleroyal mode at launch very much has to do with the low sales.

You folks put waaaaay to much stock in bickering over dumb political crap. How many are REALLY buying any game for this reason let alone not buying based on it? By that logic, why is Far Cry 5 the fastest selling Far Cry game? Didn't the SJW junk ruin it? I mean....if we are saying folks buy games for theses reasons shouldn't that game have actually failed?
 
And TItanfall 2 is one of the best shooters this gen, doesn't mean its going to outsell BF or COD.

Putting it against Red Dead 2 and COD with a battleroyal mode at launch very much has to do with the low sales.

You folks put waaaaay to much stock in bickering over dumb political crap. How many are REALLY buying any game for this reason let alone not buying based on it? By that logic, why is Far Cry 5 the fastest selling Far Cry game? Didn't the SJW junk ruin it? I mean....if we are saying folks buy games for theses reasons shouldn't that game have actually failed?
Well i didnt buy it, and i bought 3, 4, and 1.
 
Cause girl in game or?
I'm currently playing Darksider 3 with a female lead, last week i finished Shadow of the Tomb Raider, also with a female lead, so no.
Bionic frontline female soldiers in a WW2 game, is a bit of a stretch and forced, and i didnt like it and i was told if i didn't like it to not buy the game, so i didn't.
 
I'm currently playing Darksider 3 with a female lead, last week i finished Shadow of the Tomb Raider, also with a female lead, so no.
Bionic frontline female soldiers in a WW2 game, is a bit of a stretch and forced, and i didnt like it and i was told if i didn't like it to not buy the game, so i didn't.

Its not a biography though bud. BF3,BF4 and BF1 were also not re-enactments and where never made to be that. Sounds like a pretty dumb reason to not play a game lol

You legit getting emotion over twitter comments? Do you even play games for fun or?

I'm having a blast with it so far btw. One of the best BF games so far, ran into zero bionic people so far so don't know what you mean. Maybe play games vs twitter comments. Just doesn't seem like a logical reason to play or watch anything as its more so sounding like you got emotional over a comment or something and thats now how you buy games lol

The fact that one of your reasons is for something no longer in the game and a twitter comment speaks volumes.....

You might have to re-evaluate why you game man, seems like some pretty sad reasons not to play something.
 
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Its not a biography though bud. BF3,BF4 and BF1 were also not re-enactments and where never made to be that. Sounds like a pretty dumb reason to not play a game lol

You legit getting emotion over twitter comments? Do you even play games for fun or?
Well i try to let companies not walk all over me, nothing wrong with taking a stand form time to time, especially when EA/Dice basically said fuck off and dont buy the game if you dont like it'.
Its like i said in an earlier post, we have tons of modern and future FPS games with women in, how many times do you hear people moaning about them?, you dont because they are modern/future
 
Well i try to let companies not walk all over me, nothing wrong with taking a stand form time to time, especially when EA/Dice basically said fuck off and dont buy the game if you dont like it'.
Its like i said in an earlier post, we have tons of modern and future FPS games with women in, how many times do you hear people moaning about them?, you dont because they are modern/future

Again, nothing about the game, simply comments about the publisher said this or that.

BF was never made to be a history lesson, sounds like fake excuse to simply get mad at the publisher and get emotional over twitter comments. You seriously have little reasoning outside of "publisher said this" or "woman in game" lol

When your reasons are not about the game, but comments or asking of it to be something it never actually was, its just time to sit back and actually legit question why you are gaming. If you asked me what I liked about a game or why I wasn't buying it and I"m telling you about twitter comments, does that sound like a rational thinking person to you? lol

I play games, I don't play twitter comments man.

It just sounds childish, like you are emotional over a comment and that is what drives you or something. Even publishers I've criticized to death, I still buy a game they make if its actually good vs "they said this to me and my feelings are hurt" Just sounds really emotional and maybe not that relevant to the game itself, but your feelings about something.....aka non-issue.

had to add you on the ignore list man, just too sensitive about things irrelevant to the actual game. Way too emotional.
 
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Again, nothing about the game, simply comments about the publisher said this or that.

BF was never made to be a history lesson, sounds like fake excuse to simply get mad at the publisher and get emotional over twitter comments. You seriously have little reasoning outside of "publisher said this" or "woman in game" lol

When your reasons are not about the game, but comments or asking of it to be something it never actually was, its just time to sit back and actually legit question why you are gaming. If you asked me what I liked about a game or why I wasn't buying it and I"m telling you about twitter comments, does that sound like a rational thinking person to you? lol

I play games, I don't play twitter comments man.

It just sounds childish, like you are emotional over a comment and that is what drives you or something. Even publishers I've criticized to death, I still buy a game they make if its actually good vs "they said this to me and my feelings are hurt" Just sounds really emotional and maybe not that relevant to the game itself, but your feelings about something.....aka non-issue.
Dude we have had this convo before. Things like this dont get to you and dont bother you, they do with me and plenty of other people.
Its like the female black Nazi's in COD WW2 last year, and that was so ridiculous that its borderline hilarious. The difference being that Activision didn't come out and call people uneducated and to not buy the game if they dont like it.
I think this is so sweet that it seems for once that many gamers took a stand and gave a big 'fuck you' back at Dice and didnt buy the game. If it wasn't for gamers taking a stand from time to time, we would still have loot boxes spamming every new game released.
 
Again, nothing about the game, simply comments about the publisher said this or that.

BF was never made to be a history lesson, sounds like fake excuse to simply get mad at the publisher and get emotional over twitter comments. You seriously have little reasoning outside of "publisher said this" or "woman in game" lol

When your reasons are not about the game, but comments or asking of it to be something it never actually was, its just time to sit back and actually legit question why you are gaming. If you asked me what I liked about a game or why I wasn't buying it and I"m telling you about twitter comments, does that sound like a rational thinking person to you? lol

I play games, I don't play twitter comments man.

It just sounds childish, like you are emotional over a comment and that is what drives you or something. Even publishers I've criticized to death, I still buy a game they make if its actually good vs "they said this to me and my feelings are hurt" Just sounds really emotional and maybe not that relevant to the game itself, but your feelings about something.....aka non-issue.

had to add you on the ignore list man, just too sensitive about things irrelevant to the actual game. Way too emotional.

> Claims people are being emotional.
> Immediately gets emotional and blocks people.

The hypocrisy is real.
 
I bought BF1 day one for WW1, I bought CoD for WW2. I didn't buy BF5 for their fakeass WW2. For me, it had nothing to do with a female lead. Its when you put fake shit in the game(lol bionic arms) and then going to war and calling it WW2, yeah I have a problem with that.
 
Let the dude not buy the game, jesus christ. "not wasting time with folks..." after writing multi half page spiels to someone's two sentence response on why they aren't buying a game. But sure, it's everyone else putting too much stock into bickering over dumb crap.
 
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I bought BF1 day one for WW1, I bought CoD for WW2. I didn't buy BF5 for their fakeass WW2. For me, it had nothing to do with a female lead. Its when you put fake shit in the game(lol bionic arms) and then going to war and calling it WW2, yeah I have a problem with that.

Thats not in the game any longer. "when you put fake shit in the game(lol bionic arms""

Its a great WWII game btw, focuses on the battles early in WWII. All free dlc too. Loving it so far.

Zombies don't belong in WWII as that would be just as um "fake", but theses are videos games man lol I'm only buying it if I'm having fun with it and BFV is pretty fun so far.
 
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You folks put waaaaay to much stock in bickering over dumb political crap. How many are REALLY buying any game for this reason let alone not buying based on it? By that logic, why is Far Cry 5 the fastest selling Far Cry game? Didn't the SJW junk ruin it? I mean....if we are saying folks buy games for theses reasons shouldn't that game have actually failed?

It's more that they're desperate for validation of their myopic worldviews, so they go looking for it everywhere and will happily claim responsibility for the slightest thing. Like how the regressive righties claim they're responsible for the Solo movie flopping, because they were 'punishing' Disney for the "SJW" Episode 8.
This despite the fact that Solo was just a really bad movie that nobody asked for in the first place.
 
It's more that they're desperate for validation of their myopic worldviews, so they go looking for it everywhere and will happily claim responsibility for the slightest thing. Like how the regressive righties claim they're responsible for the Solo movie flopping, because they were 'punishing' Disney for the "SJW" Episode 8.
This despite the fact that Solo was just a really bad movie that nobody asked for in the first place.
So you'r saying the backlash against the game had nothing to do with the game underperforming?.
 
It's more that they're desperate for validation of their myopic worldviews, so they go looking for it everywhere and will happily claim responsibility for the slightest thing. Like how the regressive righties claim they're responsible for the Solo movie flopping, because they were 'punishing' Disney for the "SJW" Episode 8.
This despite the fact that Solo was just a really bad movie that nobody asked for in the first place.

Agreed.

It would be like me saying Titanfall 2 failed cause "we all tired of dat white guy as main character and Alt Right agenda won't work and we punishing it to flop, when you got alt right, you go night night, BF1 did the right thing by gamers by having a black guy in it, yup that is the ONLY reason it did good to fight the alt right bro" /s lol

Proceeds to ignore it being stacked up against BF1 and COD.

To me, it just makes no sense. Some times something just failed based on what it was up against during that fall, some times its just the game or even series fatigue etc. I don't get why folks keep trying to push this whole "must have failed cuz da agenda", as it doesn't explain BF1's sales, doesn't explain Far Cry 5 succeeding in sales or really any other game folks try to pin with some political junk.

Some times a game fails........

Thats it..... I'm not out here telling folks a game is doing well because of some political jargon LOL!
 
It never looked interesting to me. Too similar to BF1 and then the SJW aspect of the game was icing on the cake for me.

"It never looked interesting to me. Too similar to BF1"

Thats fine, the point I'm making is simply that its more then just simply a emotional thing with "sjw".

To many, it might be too similar to BF1 in terms of era and they want a modern one. Nothing wrong with that, at least its based on the game itself lol

For me, its waaaay better then BF1 as I didn't care for BF1 that much. Gun play feels amazing and the changes made make lots of sense for the series going forward. Free dlc can't hurt either.
 
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All the mainline Battlefield games have been huge hits, but its just a coincedence that this one flopped, and nothing to do with the huge backlash against the game. I mean even EA delayed the game a month because they new it would get destroyed, they haven't done that before.
Fact of the matter is that tons of people on this forum, and other forums said they wouldnt buy the game, including me, then the game flops. The backlash had an effect, wether p[eople admit it or not. Next you will be saying the backlash against Fallout 76 had zero effect on the game also flopping.
 
Thats not in the game any longer. "when you put fake shit in the game(lol bionic arms""

Its a great WWII game btw, focuses on the battles early in WWII. All free dlc too. Loving it so far.

Zombies don't belong in WWII as that would be just as um "fake", but theses are videos games man lol I'm only buying it if I'm having fun with it and BFV is pretty fun so far.

You're comparing another mode with Single player, seriously? You might as well say SP and MP are the same thing.

The damage has already been done since the reveal.
 
You're comparing another mode with Single player, seriously? You might as well say SP and MP are the same thing.

The damage has already been done since the reveal.

Nope. Simply pointing out that they are both video games clearly not made to actually be re-enactments or biographies or anything like that. Those who seem to be triggered the most buy this, i'm not even entire sure really game for those reasons, as I've never bought a BF or even a Call Of Duty game based on some strange concept of realism when neither game actually was made to be re-enactments or simulations etc. So I don't really now how much of folks getting upset by this really in all honesty where playing the series for those exact reasons. I'm 20 plus hours in BFV most of what you've listed is not only not in the game, I'm not even sure if it was it would really matter all that much.

Folks having ammo just appear or reviving folks after head shots isn't historically allied either so, but that is the BF series anyway. Not made to be a history lesson. I don't even play those SP's to even care what they might be about lol

Just play MP, never played MP for any type of history thing either.

Just play for fun. I"m sure COD WWII Zombie mode is fun too as I might want to check that out. If its fun, I'll play it. Not expecting COD WWII to be 100% 1.1 about anyone's life fighting zombies so I'm good LOL!
 
You're comparing another mode with Single player, seriously? You might as well say SP and MP are the same thing.

The damage has already been done since the reveal.

also how could you buy COD WWII? " smh, its so disrespectful to WWII veterans as zombies didn't fight in the war, smdh its just a zombie agenda by the right to get more people against the undead, today COD WWII, tomorrow THE WORLD!" /s lol

semi OT but did COD WWII have the zombie mode in the final game at launch or do I need to buy that? I see it used on Amazon for like $15
 
The marketing campaign of Battlefield 5 vs Battlefield 1 are absolute incomparable. I really don't care for battlefield but even I saw the trailer for one numerous times. It was everywhere. A lot of outlets wrote about the WW1 setting and the developer, publisher, press and marketing wouldn't shut up about it.

Now I didn't even knew that it already released.

But that's just the perspective from my little bubble ;)
 
And TItanfall 2 is one of the best shooters this gen, doesn't mean its going to outsell BF or COD.

Putting it against Red Dead 2 and COD with a battleroyal mode at launch very much has to do with the low sales.

You folks put waaaaay to much stock in bickering over dumb political crap. How many are REALLY buying any game for this reason let alone not buying based on it? By that logic, why is Far Cry 5 the fastest selling Far Cry game? Didn't the SJW junk ruin it? I mean....if we are saying folks buy games for theses reasons shouldn't that game have actually failed?


The better question to ask here is: Where is this hypothetical increase in sales that catering to the 50% of the demographic would bring?

Where is this minimum 15% increase in sales that catering to the female demographic would bring?
 
Nope. Simply pointing out that they are both video games clearly not made to actually be re-enactments or biographies or anything like that. Those who seem to be triggered the most buy this, i'm not even entire sure really game for those reasons, as I've never bought a BF or even a Call Of Duty game based on some strange concept of realism when neither game actually was made to be re-enactments or simulations etc. So I don't really now how much of folks getting upset by this really in all honesty where playing the series for those exact reasons. I'm 20 plus hours in BFV most of what you've listed is not only not in the game, I'm not even sure if it was it would really matter all that much.

Folks having ammo just appear or reviving folks after head shots isn't historically allied either so, but that is the BF series anyway. Not made to be a history lesson. I don't even play those SP's to even care what they might be about lol

Just play MP, never played MP for any type of history thing either.

Just play for fun. I"m sure COD WWII Zombie mode is fun too as I might want to check that out. If its fun, I'll play it. Not expecting COD WWII to be 100% 1.1 about anyone's life fighting zombies so I'm good LOL!

In lots of cases it's not about being triggered. It's about this game being incoherant and awkward. Look how they try to pull on the sombre and serious side of WW2 then by the same stroke market the game as some kind of Fortnite funbox shooter. Wtf is that all about? What is this game - chaotic MP funbox shooter or WW2 Battlefield? The game doesn't know itself that's why it fails.
 
If you can overlook historical anachronisms via arbitrary "feel", then you have absolutely no leg to stand on when somebody else might do the same.

This is actually a really good point. I had to have a good think about it because I do agree with you, but only partially.

There is a difference, in my mind, between two different ways of dealing with historical accuracy or authenticity or whatever we are calling it.

(when I am talking about "authenticity" here I am really talking about design and world building within the game, not game mechanics and the like)

So I would look at something like Saving Private Ryan or Dunkirk and perceive that the creators are trying to achieve authenticity. Now, they might fuck up and make a few mistakes. They might also just decide to go with something that they know is unrealistic but they need to do it for story or aesthetic purposes. At the end of the day though I feel like they made a conscious decision to make a WW2 movie, wanted to make that movie to feel accurate and aimed at that goal.

In such a case I wouldn't be surprised to see Spielberg or Nolan being quizzed on inaccuracies and I would sincerely hope that their reply would be "we aimed for historical accuracy but it's movies and sometimes you have to tweak things a little". I would be disappointing at the very least if they just said "no it's the uneducated audience that's wrong".

That's really the difference with Battlefield V. They decided to make a game set in WW2 but they also decided to bastardize the history to appeal to modern sensibilities. So while they are aiming to make a WW2 game they are also deliberately aiming to present a somewhat false depiction.

Then when they were called out on that their attitude was "these people are uneducated". That's not right.

There is probably a gradient of changes that can be made in historical works that go from not very significant to absolutely egregious. For example showing the German planes with noses painted yellow when actually they didn't start doing that until after Dunkirk. Or showing a propaganda leaflet in colour when the real ones were black and white. Now compare that to having a young lady be the one who destroyed a Nazi heavy water production facility.

So there's a stark difference between how Nolan approaches trying to create a story based around the events at Dunkirk and how the developers of BFV tried to create a story around the Norwegian heavy water sabotage.

At some point in the process the devs/writes had to have said "we want to base a mission around the most successful act of sabotage in WW2".
They then had to presumably research these events to have some background.
The last survivor of the actual mission was still alive when they were creating the game. (Joachim Ronneberg passed away on 21 October 2018)

So they would have access to information on the people involved and how the missions worked etc,
They then had to make the decision to take out the people involved in the actual story and replace them with a teenage girl.

It's not like they accidentally got this wrong or that they overlooked something or that they had to cut some corners.
They purposefully made that decision for a reason.

For me this is where I'm asking "why even set the game in WW2 at all". Who does this? We want to set a game in WW2 to but we want it to be completely inaccurate. Like in an Inglourious Basterds way? "No, if you think we are wrong it's cos you are uneducated" They say "ours a plausible scenario" but they also know that they significantly changed the real scenario.

When you consider their shitty response I do genuinely wonder if the idea was to "rewrite" history somewhat to score brownie points with the more identity focused elements in the industry, community or audience.

So yeah, we can overlook some things because of the "feel" and maybe we shouldn't bother when others do the same.
However, I think there is a genuine concern that we are being asked to overlook weird attempts to kind of "diversify" history.

I think there's a difference between striving for accuracy and getting it wrong and deliberately being inaccurate to push a modern political agenda.
 
And TItanfall 2 is one of the best shooters this gen, doesn't mean its going to outsell BF or COD.

Putting it against Red Dead 2 and COD with a battleroyal mode at launch very much has to do with the low sales.

You folks put waaaaay to much stock in bickering over dumb political crap. How many are REALLY buying any game for this reason let alone not buying based on it? By that logic, why is Far Cry 5 the fastest selling Far Cry game? Didn't the SJW junk ruin it? I mean....if we are saying folks buy games for theses reasons shouldn't that game have actually failed?

We will never really know why BF Vagina sold worse then BF1. We can only speculate, you as well as me. I personally think catering towards a vocal minority did have its impact on the sales. I think that if BF5 would have delivered a WW2 Battlefield game in the fashion that many of us wanted, they would have sold better, better then BF1 I believe. WW2 is the most iconic conflict in history, Dice has a fantastic rendering engine at their hands and they appearently know how to improve the gameplay. If they would have played their cards right, I think BF5 would be right up there with RDR2 and Black Ops 4 from a sales perspective. Not outselling them, but definitely doing better then they do now.

But as I said, we can speculate all day long and throw opinions around but that won't change the fact that we'll never know for sure.
 
Its not a biography though bud. BF3,BF4 and BF1 were also not re-enactments and where never made to be that. Sounds like a pretty dumb reason to not play a game lol

You legit getting emotion over twitter comments? Do you even play games for fun or?

I'm having a blast with it so far btw. One of the best BF games so far, ran into zero bionic people so far so don't know what you mean. Maybe play games vs twitter comments. Just doesn't seem like a logical reason to play or watch anything as its more so sounding like you got emotional over a comment or something and thats now how you buy games lol

The fact that one of your reasons is for something no longer in the game and a twitter comment speaks volumes.....

You might have to re-evaluate why you game man, seems like some pretty sad reasons not to play something.
This is the kind of attitude that made people not buy your game.
 
-it looks a lot like Bf1
-no battle royale
-released at a bad time...after COD, RDR2, etc.
-marketing was terrible.

I think if they had chosen a different theme and had better marketing to announce this there would have been more hype. It also released after a bunch of big games and is missing battle royale.

I don't think the "SJW" stuff or comments from the developer are the main issue. A lot of everyday people don't follow stuff like that. The game just had a bunch of other bad descions working against it. I think a Spring release with all game modes intact, along with a different setting would have helped a lot.

The game is still really good.
 
I bought BF1 day one for WW1, I bought CoD for WW2. I didn't buy BF5 for their fakeass WW2. For me, it had nothing to do with a female lead. Its when you put fake shit in the game(lol bionic arms) and then going to war and calling it WW2, yeah I have a problem with that.
1) There are no bionic arms in BFV.

2) So CoD WWII was the real thing, with their neon rifles, incendiary shotgun shells, and ridiculous costumes?

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-it looks a lot like Bf1
-no battle royale
-released at a bad time...after COD, RDR2, etc.
-marketing was terrible.

I think if they had chosen a different theme and had better marketing to announce this there would have been more hype. It also released after a bunch of big games and is missing battle royale.

I don't think the "SJW" stuff or comments from the developer are the main issue. A lot of everyday people don't follow stuff like that. The game just had a bunch of other bad descions working against it. I think a Spring release with all game modes intact, along with a different setting would have helped a lot.

The game is still really good.

But isn't BF a mega franchise with a built in fan base established throughout the years? Did a BF fan wake up one day and say, I'm now going to be a Red Dead Redemption fan instead?

Something is not quite right. BF fans got turned off by something.
 
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-it looks a lot like Bf1
-no battle royale
-released at a bad time...after COD, RDR2, etc.
-marketing was terrible.

I think if they had chosen a different theme and had better marketing to announce this there would have been more hype. It also released after a bunch of big games and is missing battle royale.

I don't think the "SJW" stuff or comments from the developer are the main issue. A lot of everyday people don't follow stuff like that. The game just had a bunch of other bad descions working against it. I think a Spring release with all game modes intact, along with a different setting would have helped a lot.

The game is still really good.

Personally, I think one of the bigger reasons you listed above was that it looks a lot like BF1. Or more accurately, many people had BF1, CODWW2 and their thirst for that era had been quenched by the time BFV came around. Battlefield got caught behind COD, in setting and development. Then their PR didn't help things (to say the least).
 
I saw this BFV video pop up in my list I found interesting as it's a different take than any of the other postmortem videos...

It's a study on whether BFV and games in general are being designed to achieve higher metacritic scores by appealing to progressive game media outlets...

 
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I was going to buy it a week after launch but heard the servers were still fucked. So I'll wait until it's 50% cheaper.
 
I saw this BFV video pop up in my list I found interesting as it's a different take than any of the other postmortem videos...

It's a study on whether BFV and games in general are being designed to achieve higher metacritic scores by appealing to progressive game media outlets...



Not sure if it's covered in the video you posted, but I'm pretty sure this is the ONLY reason you won't ever hear EA or Dice apologize for spitefully generalizing and misrepresenting their customers who don't want women on the frontlines in a WWII game. They just pretend like it never happened, and refuse to even let you tubers publicly ask about it, who are the only thing close to "journalists" who ever actually would ask about it at this point.

Taken from the comments section of Drift0r's video interview:

Comment: "Why was white man censored?" is not a hard hitting question. A real hard hitting question would be, "Why haven't the devs apologized yet to the community for suggesting they're anti-woman?" Or better yet, "Why isn't there a customization toggle button yet?" You didn't pin him down on any dodgy answers he gave you. Not only did you not play an Alt Right role (which you clearly do not understand what that means), but you came across more like a young college student who thinks he's being intellectual when he's not.

Response: I had 15min total to talk and the dev made it very clear that he wasn't going to answer some questions. So I worked with what I had.

If EA or Dice would apologize, gaming journalists would lose their shit, and EA knows it.
 
I saw this BFV video pop up in my list I found interesting as it's a different take than any of the other postmortem videos...

It's a study on whether BFV and games in general are being designed to achieve higher metacritic scores by appealing to progressive game media outlets...

Which is happening with movies and music as well, but in those cases it doesn't lead directly to fans being alienated. It does lead to stuff like Moonlight, a movie absolutely nobody watched, winning the Oscars, but there are still a lot of politically charged pieces that are hits. I think a good reason why this stuff in games get a stronger rejection is that the same media, and some devs too in some cases, are actively aggressive towards their audience. You might get the impression from stupid fucking hellholes like Resetera that this happens because gamers are right-wing or *gulp* alt-righters but that isn't so. You have a media that tells you (or as it happens more frequently and more annoyingly, imply to you) that you need to buy or not buy something lest you be taken as an absolute asshole and/or a nazi. That's not a good recipe for success.
 
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Personally, I think one of the bigger reasons you listed above was that it looks a lot like BF1. Or more accurately, many people had BF1, CODWW2 and their thirst for that era had been quenched by the time BFV came around. Battlefield got caught behind COD, in setting and development. Then their PR didn't help things (to say the least).

I fully agree with that. I always buy BF games. I almost passed on it myself due to the setting. I ended up buying it because I have the money, but I can see other BF fans passing on it because it doesn't look that new and there's a lot of other games to play right now.
 
EA just making wrong decisions left and right with DICE. Screwed them with Star Wars 2 with the MTX they forced in there. Huge backlash and lack of sales for the game. It should of been 10 times bigger than it was especially launching after TFA and right before TLJ.

Then the same with BF V where they really confused the marketing of the game. If DICE never showed that initial reveal trailer things would be different.

NOW the game deserves backlash for a few things. its lack of content, chosing SP over BR mode day 1, and I enjoy free DLC but their tides of war clearly cut content out of the package day 1 to string a long (I mean how can you not have tank customization day 1 in your game?). BUT take away that and this game is awesome. Maps and gunplay have really grown on me and any one not buying it for stupid political reasons is missing out. Just skip the SP like eveyrone does with DICE games and you won't notice any SJW crap or bionic arms etc...
 
Not sure if it's covered in the video you posted, but I'm pretty sure this is the ONLY reason you won't ever hear EA or Dice apologize for spitefully generalizing and misrepresenting their customers who don't want women on the frontlines in a WWII game. They just pretend like it never happened, and refuse to even let you tubers publicly ask about it, who are the only thing close to "journalists" who ever actually would ask about it at this point.

Taken from the comments section of Drift0r's video interview:





If EA or Dice would apologize, gaming journalists would lose their shit, and EA knows it.

I just wish they would realize that the gaming "journalists" are basically worthless at this point thanks to youtubers, twitch streamers, and other avenues of which people get information in the gaming sphere.
 
And TItanfall 2 is one of the best shooters this gen, doesn't mean its going to outsell BF or COD.

Putting it against Red Dead 2 and COD with a battleroyal mode at launch very much has to do with the low sales.

You folks put waaaaay to much stock in bickering over dumb political crap. How many are REALLY buying any game for this reason let alone not buying based on it? By that logic, why is Far Cry 5 the fastest selling Far Cry game? Didn't the SJW junk ruin it? I mean....if we are saying folks buy games for theses reasons shouldn't that game have actually failed?

Are you sure people were up in arms over "SJW junk" in Far Cry 5? I never heard that before. I do remember a website or two being uncertain about it because it didn't seem to have the "right" themes. But if I remember correctly, it was because the themes were not "SJW" enough (using your term here). Maybe I'm wrong, but I honestly do not recall anyone saying Far Cry 5 sucked because of "SJW" themes. I kinda thought people bought it because it did not have much of them.
 
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I saw this BFV video pop up in my list I found interesting as it's a different take than any of the other postmortem videos...

It's a study on whether BFV and games in general are being designed to achieve higher metacritic scores by appealing to progressive game media outlets...


8 minutes in... right in the feels :messenger_crying:
 
Are you sure people were up in arms over "SJW junk" in Far Cry 5? I never heard that before. I do remember a website or two being uncertain about it because it didn't seem to have the "right" themes. But if I remember correctly, it was because the themes were not "SJW" enough (using your term here). Maybe I'm wrong, but I honestly do not recall anyone saying Far Cry 5 sucked because of "SJW" themes. I kinda thought people bought it because it did not have much of them.

He's going the Dice route of historical revisionism. Most outlets complained Farcry 5 didn't pigeon hole their shitty politics into the game. Consumers were happy with the product, hence good sales.
 
Battlefield 5 is a good game IMO. If you enjoyed previous Battlefields, ignore all the social justice warrior BS and just go play some conquest. It's the familiar Battlefield formula that I know and love, and I find it really fun, Gonna try some Breakout tonight.
 
I haven't bought it and never will. The revisionist history is quite frankly disgusting. One campaign is a gender-bender, other shits on Special Boat Service and the last says every white man is a racist (and they say they are on the right side of history lol). Even if the multiplayer was the greatest thing on the planet I will not be supporting such abhorrent behaviour. The "don't like it, don't buy it" is just icing on the cake for me. If I want to play a Battlefield game I can always fire up B1 which is still fine and has plenty of people playing.
 
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