Ben Shapiro offers to debate Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: She deems it catcalling

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Been Shapiro == Alex Jones? 🤣🤣🤣
This is to much

Do you want to embarrass yourself anymore today?
If you read the sentence, you would see that I'm saying they are both taking advantage of a certain demographic.

And you know what shapiro doesn't rant and rave and chase people down the streets. He's more composed in spreading bullshit.
 

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If you read the sentence, you would see that I'm saying they are both taking advantage of a certain demographic.

And you know what shapiro doesn't rant and rave and chase people down the streets. He's more composed in spreading bullshit.
Yes and I'm laughing at the stupidity of that statement.

I know this is a shock to many "leftist" people, but free individuals choosing to download a podcast, is not a case of "being taken advantage of." It's a silly thing to say in a thread that has been filled with very silly arguments against Mr. Shapiro.

Yeah Ben Shapiro doesn't rant and rave about conspiracy theories to scare his audience. He leaves that to the Alex Jones, the Anderson Cooper's, the Rachel Maddow's of the world.
 

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Yea, him alex jones, and all those people are capitalizing and making money of less informed and uneducated people.
Ya cause its not like Ben ever goes to colleges to talk with educated people, like students and has even been able to answer college professors questions with no problem at all, its also not like Ben as ever had debates with people who actually work in the government, rolls eyes.
 
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Shapiro is a genius compared to her. I've listened to a lot of his stuff, and he makes well-reasoned arguments that are supported by facts. He upsets the left because he's an aggressive and effective high IQ debater who knows his stuff better than his opponents. My only issue is that he talks too fast.

Here he is on Joe Rogan.

 

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Whats funny is how ignorant some people are in this thread, if he didn't know what he was talking about, he wouldn't show up to government debates, he would have never been on news channels like CNN, or have debates at colleges. Even when he tries to goto talk to people at colleges, the left complain throw riots and destroy property. Its like when people have no idea what they are talking about, or proven wrong, the only thing they can do is resort to violence.

And it makes the left look like hypocrites when they are throwing riots, and destroying property. It seems they are the ones full of hate.
 

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the media circus surrounding her is fucking nuts tbh. she's made plenty of mistakes for sure, but how many politicians with decades more experience (political experience and just life experience in general) than her make gaffes all the time though? she's further left than me but the american political process can surely handle a few democratic socialists not in leadership positions at the very least, christ.

but she's not going to put herself out the spotlight, arguably why should she with the platform she has now? unless it was for privacy reasons or something like that. and the media know she drives traffic so they're not going to stop analysing her every move in such numbers, so all this will continue.
 

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Why is that crazy girl banning media from a campaign event and we barely hear about it?
 

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Why is that crazy girl banning media from a campaign event and we barely hear about it?
I know, didn't we get a ton of stories on the destruction of free press when Trump banned one journalist from a single event a couple weeks ago.
 

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I know, didn't we get a ton of stories on the destruction of free press when Trump banned one journalist from a single event a couple weeks ago.
Yeah but according to that other site, you can't compare the two! Someone pretty much said what you just did and was banned for trolling.

This is so sad it's hilarious.
 

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Yeah but according to that other site, you can't compare the two! Someone pretty much said what you just did and was banned for trolling.

This is so sad it's hilarious.
It is true you can't compare the two, trump didnt ban all journalists. I guess you could have compared them if she just banned Ben though. Lol.
 

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Yeah but according to that other site, you can't compare the two! Someone pretty much said what you just did and was banned for trolling.

This is so sad it's hilarious.
the all men mod team are a sensitive bunch. when they were over here you could tell they had a few screws loose.
 
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Cortez's thing is a non-event.
Of course, anything that could possibly in any way make her seem hypocritical at all 'doesn't count' because she's on the right team. She gets every benefit of the doubt, while Shapiro is clearly and obviously a bad sexist man with bad intentions. Because Shapiro is on the wrong team.
 

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Of course, anything that could possibly in any way make her seem hypocritical at all 'doesn't count' because she's on the right team. She gets every benefit of the doubt, while Shapiro is clearly and obviously a bad sexist man with bad intentions. Because Shapiro is on the wrong team.
Honestly I think that you just like to fight and bicker at her, at this point.
 

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she obviously doesn't want to be proven wrong, thats the only reason why she won't debate with him. If she knew she was right she would have nothing to worry about. She reminds me of anita sarkeesian, anita also won't talk to anyone, or want anyone to prove her wrong.
 

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Honestly I think that you just like to fight and bicker at her, at this point.
I think your arguments are thiny veiled partisan tribalism, and it shows with how your responses get weaker over the course of threads you engague in as it persists. This is almost a passive aggressive 'thread bail', I'm impressed.

As for arguments supporting her ignorance in here, my favorite, "she is inexperienced"! Well then, maybe she should have gained more experience shadowing/working on other's campaigns more, before jumping right into the limelight with both feet in but the third foot out for "excuse clauses". She sometimes speaks like she is popping Adderall. Wide eye'ed and all.
 
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Shapiro only wants to debate people who will raise his profile. He won’t debate Nathan Robinson so he’s not in a position to throw stones.
 

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I think your arguments are thiny veiled partisan tribalism, and it shows with how your responses get weaker over the course of threads you engague in as it persists. This is almost a passive aggressive 'thread bail', I'm impressed.

As for arguments supporting her ignorance in here, my favorite, "she is inexperienced"! Well then, maybe she should have gained more experience shadowing/working on other's campaigns more, before jumping right into the limelight with both feet in but the third foot out for "excuse clauses". She sometimes speaks like she is popping Adderall. Wide eye'ed and all.
So lets get one thing clear: you are a tit for tat person, but I prefer to anticipate. We climaxed our conversation quickly, and ended it swiftly. You too are defined by partisan tribalism fyi.

She and her team are young and inexperienced, but she gets to learn and develop on the job just like Trump did (if she gets the job).
 
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So lets get one thing clear: you are a tit for tat person, but I prefer to anticipate. We climaxed our conversation quickly, and ended it swiftly. You too are defined by partisan tribalism fyi.

She and her team are young and inexperienced, but she gets to learn and develop on the job just like Trump did (if she gets the job).
And she is rightfully criticized for it, just like Trump. See how this works?

One cannot grow, without criticism and perspective. Handwaving those criticisms away is not only hyproctical when it comes to bipartisan politics, it does nothing to help the person you support, grow.
 
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And she is rightfully criticized for it, just like Trump. See how this works?

One cannot grow, without criticism and perspective.
Constructive criticism here has been Shapiro saying that he is annoyed that he got correlated with catcalling, and that she should just say "no thanks". Fair enough.

But then you add the spin, and it becomes a bitchfest. But that is what rakes in the views. Bad intentions.
 
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Constructive criticism here has been Shapiro saying that he is annoyed that he got correlated with catcalling, and that she should just say "no thanks". Fair enough.

But then you add the spin, and it becomes a bitchfest. But that is what rakes in the views. Bad intentions.
She is displaying her hypocrisy out in the open. The only one's spinning are those trying to defend one action over another handwaving it as "inexperienced".

No, her traits have NOTHING to do with politics (or at least the ones I am commenting on), but rather, lack of human perspective/self awareness in general. You do not equate a candid offer to "catcalling" and attemping to "dog whistle" something that is not there... then a few tweets later post that you are literally stalking someone who was avoiding you by walking into their offices trying to find them.

That is not lack of political experience, but rather, a lack of consistent human ethics.
 
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Shapiro only wants to debate people who will raise his profile. He won’t debate Nathan Robinson so he’s not in a position to throw stones.
Thats were you are wrong, the left always try to prove him wrong but fail, he's been on CNN, which is controlled by liberals, not one time could they prove him wrong. He also has debates with politicians who are also liberals, yet again can't prove him wrong. He's had questions from college professors, that he could easily answer their questions. So you don't really know what you are talking about.
 
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Who is worthy of a debate with her? :goog_unsure::goog_unsure::goog_unsure:
She debated Crowley (or rather, the spokesman he sent). I imagine she’ll debate her GE opponent if the opportunity arises.

Honestly she should debate manlet Ben. There’s no shortage of absolutely dipshit statements he’s made that he should have to defend.

Thats were you are wrong, the left always try to prove him wrong but fail, he's been on CNN, which is controlled by liberals, not one time could they prove him wrong. He also has debates with politicians who are also liberals, yet again can't prove him wrong. He's had questions from college professors, that he could easily answer their questions. So you don't really know what you are talking about.
Please don’t make things up. You may feel a strong affinity for Ben but facts don’t care about your feelings.
 
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She debated Crowley (or rather, the spokesman he sent). I imagine she’ll debate her GE opponent if the opportunity arises.

Honestly she should debate manlet Ben. There’s no shortage of absolutely dipshit statements he’s made that he should have to defend.



Please don’t make things up. You may feel a strong affinity for Ben but facts don’t care about your feelings.
You clearly have never watched a single vid about Ben have you? Maybe your feelings are getting in the way.
 
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You all need to drop this "fact over feelings" catchphrase insult thing that Shapiro populated. Everyone is a supermassive hypocrite about it.
 

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You clearly have never watched a single vid about Ben have you? Maybe your feelings are getting in the way.
I prefer print over “X DESTROYS Y” YouTube videos. The 30 second clip vid format does favor someone facile and glib like Shapiro, and his uneducated fan base, where he can repeat the 20 or so talking points he has. A look at his writing shows what a buffoon he is.

https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2005/08/10/why-war-in-iraq-is-right-for-america-n1216871

https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2011/05/25/jews-in-name-only-n783739
 
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I prefer print over “X DESTROYS Y” YouTube videos. The 30 second clip vid format does favor someone facile and glib like Shapiro, and his uneducated fan base, where he can repeat the 20 or so talking points he has. A look at his writing shows what a buffoon he is.

https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2005/08/10/why-war-in-iraq-is-right-for-america-n1216871

https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2011/05/25/jews-in-name-only-n783739
This goes for everyone in the thread, but just throwing around youtube links or print links doesn't score you any debate points on its own. Refer to specifics about what you think he's full of shit about in these links, and specifically dismantle those points. Then you're advancing your position.
 

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I prefer print over “X DESTROYS Y” YouTube videos. The 30 second clip vid format does favor someone facile and glib like Shapiro, and his uneducated fan base, where he can repeat the 20 or so talking points he has. A look at his writing shows what a buffoon he is.

https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2005/08/10/why-war-in-iraq-is-right-for-america-n1216871

https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2011/05/25/jews-in-name-only-n783739
But m’comrade, you just suggested Nathan “it is impossible for my political opponents to be intelligent” Robinson as someone worthy of debate.

*adjusts cravat*
*tips fedora*
 

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ben always argues from positions of fact, it's hard to hate someone like that

pretty sure cortez knows he'll clean her clock, and is dodging by any means necessary
 
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I simply pointed out that Shapiro won’t debate him.
then again this has nothing to do with the point of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez won't debate Ben. You should just make a thread instead of going off topic, and there are a ton of videos on his page that are a lot longer then 30 sec.
 

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then again this has nothing to do with the point of Ms. Ocasio-Cortez won't debate Ben. You should just make a thread instead of going off topic, and there are a ton of videos on his page that are a lot longer then 30 sec.
Shapiro’s unwillingness to do what he demands Cortez do seems on topic. It tends to show Shapiro is not genuinely interested in exploring ideas.

What’s the relevance? Why would Shapiro debate someone who has already decided that his opponents are beneath him?
Robinson offered. Surely self-proclaimed liberal-destroyer Ben should jump at the opportunity. After all, he wants to show everyone how terrible socialist ideas are.
 
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Shapiro’s unwillingness to do what he demands Cortez do seems on topic.



Robinson offered. Surely self-proclaimed liberal-destroyer Ben should jump at the opportunity. After all, he wants to show everyone how terrible socialist ideas are.
I don’t think he’s that desperate. Ocasio-Cortez is a politician running for office. Who is Robinson?
 

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I don’t think he’s that desperate. Ocasio-Cortez is a politician running for office. Who is Robinson?
Desperate for what? I thought Shapiro was desperate for a civil exchange of ideas, not attention.

By that same token, Cortez is a major Party congressional nominee who in all likelihood will be a congresswoman next year. Who is Shapiro?
 
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Shapiro’s unwillingness to do what he demands Cortez do seems on topic. It tends to show Shapiro is not genuinely interested in exploring ideas.



Robinson offered. Surely self-proclaimed liberal-destroyer Ben should jump at the opportunity. After all, he wants to show everyone how terrible socialist ideas are.
you haven't really explained why he won't debate with him, all this thread has come down to is the right to prove themselves and the left don't have to, even a mod has made this clear. I even when people say he doesn't know what he's talking, make no valid points at all that he doesn't know what he's talking about, and when I talking about him being on news shows, and being at colleges, talking to students and professors, randomly come up with there needs to be some time limit. Its like nothing is ever good enough for some of you. Till you keep changing the subject, cause thats all you can come up with.
 
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Desperate for what? I thought Shapiro was desperate for a civil exchange of ideas, not attention.

By that same token, Cortez is a major Party congressional nominee who in all likelihood will be a congresswoman next year. Who is Shapiro?
As far as I've observed, Shapiro attacks the ideas, while Robinson attacks the person. Moreover, Shapiro is a far more prominent public figure. That is why one is worth debating and the other is not.
 

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As far as I've observed, Shapiro attacks the ideas, while Robinson attacks the person. Moreover, Shapiro is a far more prominent public figure. That is why one is worth debating and the other is not.
No one mentioned why he wouldn't debate with him, its most likely cause he wants to talk about the somethings he's already talked about countless times before on news channels, and other tv shows. Like what is he going to talk about, how theres 2 genders, he's already done that, why men are getting paid more cause they work full time hard labor jobs while most women do not want to work full time physical jobs, he's already talked about that, talk about just cause you get surgery to make you look like something else doesn't mean you are that something else, already talked about that. If Shapiro was a nobody, he wouldn't be on TV shows and wouldn't be on News channels.
 
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Well some people are doubting her abilities. If she felt the need to show herself she could do a debate to show she is more capable than what the Right is claiming.

But Ben Shapiro? lol no.
I agree. Little Ben Shapiro would cremate her in a debate. He is being a bully.
 

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Unless Ben Shapiro is her political opponent for the upcoming seat, there’s no point in debating him. Do think she should’ve just said no, she’s focusing on the race, and can’t wait to debate her opponent.
 
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Unless Ben Shapiro is her political opponent for the upcoming seat, there’s no point in debating him. Do think she should’ve just said no, she’s focusing on the race, and can’t wait to debate her opponent.
This is what people want to gloss over. Debates are about opponents in a race. Run for office shapiro.