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Berlin refugees given sexual consent classes

What should be done to make refugees stop raping german girls?

  • We should ask them politely to stop

    Votes: 5 6.9%
  • We should give them sexual consent classes (as in the article)

    Votes: 7 9.7%
  • We should do nothing and let those traumatised poor refugees funnel overbunded energy

    Votes: 2 2.8%
  • We should choose handfull of young girls to volunteer be thiers sex slaves

    Votes: 10 13.9%
  • I don't know, maybe we should do somthing else?

    Votes: 48 66.7%

  • Total voters
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Please read if you are interested and tell us what kind of lesson would you give to them to make them stop raping?




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More sexual education classes are being offered to refugees in Berlin following recent cases of rape and assault in Germany.


In a classroom workshop, students watch a video of a man and woman meeting in a nightclub. They drink, laugh, dance and kiss.

The tone in the room and on the screen quickly changes when the man takes the woman home, locks the door and, when she attempts to leave, he rapes her.
When the grim video ends, seven men in their thirties, refugees who have come to Berlin from Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan, are invited to react and comment.
"She has had too much to drink, they are sleeping together," says one, convinced the man in the video took advantage of the young woman's drunkenness to abuse her.
"He knew very well what he wanted," says another.
At this point, the workshop's moderator, Carola Pietrusky-Niane, jumps in to explain that "it happens frequently in Berlin, young people drink a lot, take drugs," and in certain cases, this type of aggressive crime can happen.
The participants in the four-hour course titled "Together for Security", which is currently only held in Berlin, have joined the class voluntarily.
Germany's integration commissioner Annette Widmann-Mauz has called for such
sex education classes to be more widely offered to refugees, following a gang
rape case in Freiburg, in which 10 of 11 suspects are refugees.
Several high-profile rape cases committed by migrants have stoked a backlash against the mass influx of a million asylum seekers to Germany since 2015.


Mass assaults by recent migrants in Cologne on New Year's Eve 2015-2016, and a rape-murder in 2016 by an Afghan refugee, have been seized on by the far-right in its push against Chancellor Angela Merkel's decision to let in the newcomers.


In Germany, there was a 15-percent rise in sex crimes committed by foreigners in 2018, 6,046 offences compared to 5,258 in 2017, according to federal statistics.


SEE ALSO: Study shows the tenuous link between foreigners, refugees and criminality


The increase is largely due to stricter legislation since 2016, which made it easier to prosecute perpetrators of sex-related crimes.


But they also underline the challenge of integrating large numbers of migrants, a big proportion of whom are young, single men from countries which would view Western norms as surprisingly liberal.


In Norway, migrants were compelled to undergo similar courses between 2013
and 2015, after several rape cases involving refugees.
'Don't get angry'

"These are difficult themes, speak freely," Pietrusky-Niane tells the group, as they discuss the video in a mix of German and Arabic.


The session, attended by the seven single men, some of whom are fathers,
was organized by the Norwegian group Hero, which manages several hostels for
migrants in Germany.


The topics in the workshop are broad with questions like: How do you know whether a woman is willing? And, how do you react if she isn't?


Advice is given to refugees from countries where displays of affection are banned in public, boys and girls often attend separate schools and rape within marriage is not considered a crime.


One of the short videos during the workshop spells out the difference between consensual sex and rape.


"It's like asking a person if they want a cup of tea," says the voiceover in English.


"If she answers 'Yes, I love it', it's because she wants one.


"If she hesitates, you can make the tea and ask again," the video continues.


"And if someone says 'No, thank you', don't make the tea and don't get angry -- it's the same with sexuality," the video concludes.
In another video, each participant stands facing each other.


A video tablet shows them how close they are allowed to stand without invading someone's personal space.


"You shouldn't get too close to the person you're talking to," says Pietrusky-Niane.


"The same with children, they don't necessarily like to be touched (by strangers)," she noted.


Many of the group taking the course admit that reporting rape or abuse to police would not be self-evident, especially if the perpetrator was a relative.


"In our country, we have two laws: that of the state and that of the family, of the clan," says one participant.


Professor Heinz-Jürgen Voss, professor of sexology at the University of Merseburg, noted that it was precisely because "differences in culture and customs exist" that such training is "useful".


He believes the courses should be offered to refugees throughout Germany.


Aid group Pro-Asyl however has a different view.


"We learn values and norms better in daily lives than in class," it says.


"Contact with people, support at school and an access to the job market are


the best keys for integration and prevention."
 

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I would've put the army on the border with instructions to shoot anything that moves. That would've prevented 100% of rapes. But that's not what Europeans want. They want to be raped. So why the fuck should I waste time thinking of ways to help them? They don't deserve to be helped. A continent of cucked beta bitches.
 

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I am ashamed of my country and what has become of it in the recent years.

I’ve done, and will continue to do what I can by voting. But unfortunately the majority wants to sink this ship.
 

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The only explanation I can come up with for allowing all those people into their country is GDP and having people work shitty jobs
 

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If they arent stopping the immigration then this is better than nothing. I am doubtful that this will have any affect though.
We know that certain people from specific cultures view western woman as sluts and deserving of the rape.
 
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I would've put the army on the border with instructions to shoot anything that moves. That would've prevented 100% of rapes. But that's not what Europeans want. They want to be raped. So why the fuck should I waste time thinking of ways to help them? They don't deserve to be helped. A continent of cucked beta bitches.
I'm surprised you have reached the age you have with that one brain cell clattering round that big ol melon head of yours
 

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Why would anyone want to have people in their country who need to be taught that raping women is bad? Actual, violent rape at that?

Imagine classes for teaching them not to murder. For teaching them that child molestation (e.g. bacha bazi for Aghanis) is unacceptable. Jesus, the German people need to rise up and revolt. Their country is implicitly saying that they are flooding themselves with rapists.
 

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That's scary.

ETA: I will never understand how these fools (the male migrants) can ever view themselves as "good" when they see women and children as things to use.
 
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That's scary.

ETA: I will never understand how these fools (the male migrants) can ever view themselves as "good" when they see women and children as things to use.
Morality is highly contextual so I'm not surprised. The west relatively not long ago held similar believes. But the good thing is that culture can change and people adapt.
 
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Well education is a part of assimilation so I don't see a problem with this...
You shouldn't have to tell migrants that raping people is bad. That's the kind of scum that you're supposed to keep out of the country. Not invite them in and say oh by the way, we'd appreciate it if you don't rape our women. But we actually won't do anything if you do. Please don't call me racist.

Edit: Where's the option to round the filth up and deport them back to their shithole countries?
 
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You shouldn't have to tell migrants that raping people is bad. That's the kind of scum that you're supposed to keep out of the country. Not invite them in and say oh by the way, we'd appreciate it if you don't rape our women. But we actually won't do anything if you do. Please don't call me racist.

Edit: Where's the option to round the filth up and deport them back to their shithole countries?
They give similar consent classes in universities for students from european countries or in the US for US citizens so it's not necessarily only about refugees. The definition of rape has been changing in the west so even people from the west are now having trouble with it. Maybe in their cultures they don't consider certain behavior as rape-ish that in the west is considered so it's good that they are taught about it.

I come from Latin America, in our countries guys are much more pushy and straightforward with women, many people grow up like that and even women accept it but here in Germany is not like that so it's good that people are made to understand that.
 
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People in general need consent classes, there was studies done that show that a significant percentage of Americans do not understand what consent it. Such as having sex with a drunk woman is not considered rape to a unsettling amount of men.
 

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People in general need consent classes, there was studies done that show that a significant percentage of Americans do not understand what consent it. Such as having sex with a drunk woman is not considered rape to a unsettling amount of men.

What if I was the one who was drunk?
 

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The moral dilemma of the left.

On one hand, more votes for some of the policies we care about!
On the other, some of our women need to sacrifice their innocence and vaginas for the greater good.

*Shrug*
 
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What if those feelings are just plain old self regret?
If the feelings are just regret and the person knows it as such, then its just regret and they can squash it/deal with whatever consequence of it later.

There is a significant difference in the feelings of being taken advantage of and feeling like "maybe I shouldn't have done this".
 

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If the feelings are just regret and the person knows it as such, then its just regret and they can squash it/deal with whatever consequence of it later.

There is a significant difference in the feelings of being taken advantage of and feeling like "maybe I shouldn't have done this".
There are many cases where regret causes people to outright lie. Not just in rape, but almost all facets in life.

What if both parties are drunk, who's consent is the sacred one? Do they cancel each other out?

What if the man is drunk, an unsettling amount of women think it is consent as well with the saying, "men always want it".
 

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There are many cases where regret causes people to outright lie. Not just in rape, but almost all facets in life.

What if both parties are drunk, who's consent is the sacred one? Do they cancel each other out?

What if the man is drunk, an unsettling amount of women think it is consent as well with the saying, "men always want it".
Liars exist.... Okay, and?

Let them and/or the courts handle it.

Same standard apply... Why is that even a question?
 

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Liars exist.... Okay, and?

Let them and/or the courts handle it.

Same standard apply... Why is that even a question?
Why are you seemingly offended by the questions and statements?

We are having a conversation here.
 

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Education will help with integration.

Unfortunately many of these refugees come from locations where these sorts of social interactions hardly exist.
 

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Education will help with integration.
I'm reminded of the Vikings here. They did, eventually, settle down and become respectable English citizens. But it took about 300 years and a lot of death and destruction.

Of course the main difference is that the Britons tried to fight them off.
 

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The only explanation I can come up with for allowing all those people into their country is GDP and having people work shitty jobs
An argument I've started hearing and I'm coming around to is that the elites of society feel that some kind of communism/socialism is inevitable unless they take drastic action, and they want poor/lower middle class people to be as diverse and different as possible to keep any kind of coordinated lower/middle class uprising from ever coming to fruition. The idea is that if you can guarantee a lot of cultural/ethnic conflict the poor will be too busy fighting each other to organize for better conditions. Also more competition for low skill jobs means wages for those jobs will go down. Generally it's going to be cheaper to support these migrants in places closer to where they come from, and where the culture/language issues don't exist. The only reason they are in Europe is because the European elite have decided they should be there, and they would not do this without a reason, possibly the one I described.
 
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Give every male refugee over the age of 13 a bullet with their name engraved on it. Then tell them if they ever rape a women that bullet or one like it will be put inside their brain.

And then smile and welcome them into the country.
Jesus
 

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An argument I've started hearing and I'm coming around to is that the elites of society feel that some kind of communism/socialism is inevitable unless they take drastic action, and they want poor/lower middle class people to be as diverse and different as possible to keep any kind of coordinated lower/middle class uprising from ever coming to fruition. The idea is that if you can guarantee a lot of cultural/ethnic conflict the poor will be too busy fighting each other to organize for better conditions. Also more competition for low skill jobs means wages for those jobs will go down. Generally it's going to be cheaper to support these migrants in places closer to where they come from, and where the culture/language issues don't exist. The only reason they are in Europe is because the European elite have decided they should be there, and they would not do this without a reason, possibly the one I described.
That will change when nationalists take more of the power. This influx of migrants, the demand for diversity and open borders, it won't last. More and more countries are turning to the nationalist right.
 
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Give every male refugee over the age of 13 a bullet with their name engraved on it. Then tell them if they ever rape a women that bullet or one like it will be put inside their brain.

And then smile and welcome them into the country.
Why not do that with every male in the country when they turn 13 then? 🤷‍♂️
 
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Yea the problem is they don’t understand the concept of consent, not that they have no regard for consent. It’s so hard to read foreign body language.
 

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The definition of rape has been changing in the west so even people from the west are now having trouble with it
No, it hasn't changed. The new "rape" in the West is nonsense like this:


Rape is always going to be forced sex. The people being targeted for this education think that it is okay to beat a women nearly to death and then take turns raping her with their friends because she is wearing a mini skirt. That is literally the culture in a lot of their home countries. Even your experience with Latino men being "forceful" is nothing like that.

I fully agree with cultural relativism to the extent that certain axioms (e.g. not harming) are not violated. A culture where, say, men lightly touch the boobs of women they are interested in is not really violating anything. Maybe the women get to touch their balls to indicate reciprocity? There is no intrinsic harm either way, even if some outsider actually gets involved.
 

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No, it hasn't changed. The new "rape" in the West is nonsense like this:


Rape is always going to be forced sex. The people being targeted for this education think that it is okay to beat a women nearly to death and then take turns raping her with their friends because she is wearing a mini skirt. That is literally the culture in a lot of their home countries. Even your experience with Latino men being "forceful" is nothing like that.

I fully agree with cultural relativism to the extent that certain axioms (e.g. not harming) are not violated. A culture where, say, men lightly touch the boobs of women they are interested in is not really violating anything. Maybe the women get to touch their balls to indicate reciprocity? There is no intrinsic harm either way, even if some outsider actually gets involved.
Well the outrage here in Köln a couple of years back were of a bunch of foreigners fondling women which falls in the realm of what you claim as "nonsense" since they didnt beat the women or penetrated them.

And if you read the article above youll notice that the people taking this course are volunteers and theyre teaching them how to properly behave when say a woman is drunk which is pretty similar to what they teach in consent classes to european and american students and goes with the updated definition of rape.
 

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Well the outrage here in Köln a couple of years back were of a bunch of foreigners fondling women which falls in the realm of what you claim as "nonsense" since they didnt beat the women or penetrated them.
Nonsense was in reference to things like "cajoling" i.e. exchanging mutual sexual messages being rape. There is no updated definition of rape.

Fondling implies forced sexual contact and stimulation. There is no mutual contact or escalation. And, culturally, we know that they view non-Muslim women as objects. All of these things indicate harm and mens rea.
 

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Well the outrage here in Köln a couple of years back were of a bunch of foreigners fondling women which falls in the realm of what you claim as "nonsense" since they didnt beat the women or penetrated them.

And if you read the article above youll notice that the people taking this course are volunteers and theyre teaching them how to properly behave when say a woman is drunk which is pretty similar to what they teach in consent classes to european and american students and goes with the updated definition of rape.
The classes you are forced to take because administrators need to justify their over-inflated salaries somehow?
 

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Nonsense was in reference to things like "cajoling" i.e. exchanging mutual sexual messages being rape. There is no updated definition of rape.

Fondling implies forced sexual contact and stimulation. There is no mutual contact or escalation. And, culturally, we know that they view non-Muslim women as objects. All of these things indicate harm and mens rea.
Well but in these countries they have included more behaviors into the legal definition of rape and sexual assault so there are now more things that are considered rape and assault as before. This is in part why the assault and rape statistics have increased considerably. You and I can think is nonsense but there are practices that are now considered rape that werent before from a legal point of view.

But anyways, the main point is that the refugees are not getting classes of consent that differ much from those taken by college students in countries like Germany. And I cant understand why anyone would be opposed to this, i mean if you want less incidents of refugees molesting women, educating them wouldnt harm. Maybe more things should be done but it is a step in the right direction.
 

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The classes you are forced to take because administrators need to justify their over-inflated salaries somehow?
Maybe, im just comparing those to the ones taken by the refugees. They look topically similar. We are not forced to take classes like those in Germany btw.
 

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Why are you seemingly offended by the questions

We are having a conversation here.
Your 1st and last question come off as deliberately being obtuse.

Because your about to ruin someone's life, you better damn well be sure
Yeah, they damn well better be sure and if they turn out to be lying, then they should have consequences thrown at them.

Give every male refugee over the age of 13 a bullet with their name engraved on it. Then tell them if they ever rape a women that bullet or one like it will be put inside their brain.

And then smile and welcome them into the country.
Not sure how a post like this is allowed.
 
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Intellectual dishonesty is putting forward a vague and questionable premise, and when being challenged on it, trying to disguise your refusal to engage and answer a direct question with a personal smear.
 
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So instead of enforcing the law they're bending it to allow these poo poo wefugees to attend sex education classes?



It's times like these I'm glad we have an unrepentant bastard like Duterte as president. He would never let shit like this stand.