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Bernie on JRE today !!

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The beginning and end of the interview had Bernie with a friendly smile and polite talk - I've never seen him act so soft spoken and calm before. This interview was a good idea as I know some big political youtube channels like The Amazing Lucas are really turned off by the angry old man vibe.
 
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Wow, what a great interview. Bernie comes off looking really likable and sympathetic. I opened up the thread on Resetera and sheesh, the place seriously is opposite of pol on 4chan. Just a bunch of completely unhinged comments that have no basis in reality. Neogaf seems moderate and mainstream compared to that.
 
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How is Canada known for their doctors? Are they regarded as having good doctors?
Good I'd say, given a smaller population to draw from probably not nearly as many specialists like the USA but understandable really.
I bitch about our healthcare but it does work. Ask me in 20 years though if we keep the immigration floodgates open putting more and more stress on an already under funded over worked system. Because we still rely heavily on oil and gas for tax revenue health care and the fact the idiot in our capital wants to virtue signal his way to climate change prowess our health system will continue to suffer
 

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Glad they touched on mental illness being a part of universal healthcare. 100% my views. You wanna focus on mental health instead of gun control, fine, then do something to make mental health more affordable. Mental care is health care, same as goin to a doctor for a flu.
 

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we need to teach best self practices too, good mental health is a kind of hygiene for example

should encourage more young men to keep journals, you don't want them to bottle it all up and unleash it in a manifesto when they're already in the endgame

longform interviews like this remind me why i like bernie btw, he doesn't do well in the world of soundbite propaganda
 
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Wow, what a great interview. Bernie comes off looking really likable and sympathetic. I opened up the thread on Resetera and sheesh, the place seriously is opposite of pol on 4chan. Just a bunch of completely unhinged comments that have no basis in reality. Neogaf seems moderate and mainstream compared to that.
We aim for the middle panel.

 

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Glad they touched on mental illness being a part of universal healthcare. 100% my views. You wanna focus on mental health instead of gun control, fine, then do something to make mental health more affordable. Mental care is health care, same as goin to a doctor for a flu.
I didn't even realize it was that expensive. Then again, I only ever went to a therapist when I was a kid and that was because,my parents forced me to go after a very tragic event.

Hell, I think people might have good luck on forums like this one. You might even find an actual therapist who will at least listen to you and give some advice. But I agree with Bernie about the insurance and drug companies. They have a monopoly on the market and can charge whatever they want. You get sick one time without health insurance, just one visit to the ER, and you're talking at least $1,500 that you have to pay or it fucks up your credit.
 
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It's disappointing that Joe didn't even bring up SJWs and all their batshit crazy agenda to Bernie, that what I would have like to hear Bernie speak on. I wanted to hear Bernie address stuff like open borders, censoring speech and imposing speech such as non-existent pronouns.

I mean I obviously agree with Bernie on most of what was discussed but as long as his party is the perty of mentally ill degeneracy I can't be a part of it no matter what. Ditch SJWs and identity politics and I would consider voting for them again since I lean left.
 

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Bernie says "free" take a shot.

Shit is batshit insane in my opinion. Can't fix the system this way.
 
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daveonezero

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He explains how it's funded. Moreso than Trump's tax cut and $80 billion dollar defense spending hike which are all deficit spending.
If taxes weren't compulsory I may agree with you but the government can't generate funds without taxes. Taxes are a protection racket. Doesn't matter if its an R or D. Taxes are horrible for everyone.
 
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If taxes weren't compulsory I may agree with you but the government can't generate funds without taxes. Taxes are a protection racket. Doesn't matter if its an R or D. Taxes are horrible for everyone.
I don't think you would really agree with that if you think it through. If you want a feudal society of permanent rulers and Kings, then I guess you can argue against all taxes. Might as well not even have a government at that point.

I certainly don't want to live in a failed state with no government.
 
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I don't think you would really agree with that if you think it through. If you want a feudal society of permanent rulers and Kings, then I guess you can argue against all taxes. Might as well not even have a government at that point.

I certainly don't want to live in a failed state with no government.
No I'm actually well versed in and principled in my philosophy. Its ok I don't need you to want to live in the society I want. I just ask to be left alone by all people and governments that want to tell me what to do.

You live in a failed society already because of the government.


When someone takes 100% of your labor against your will we call that slavery. But, if they only take 50% landlubbers euphemistically call that taxation. It's a difference of degree, not of kind. The Crown is seizing the fruits of their labor by force. Whether the Crown claims a fortune or a cent is irrelevant. The only "right" the Crown has to take your money is the "right" of a slaveholder.

this is a good short piece on the basis of my views. You should check out Bastiat's The Law


No, to the political far-left, it seems quite within their moral right to demand that the rich get taxed more and more to provide for the poor using some kind of ‘Robin Hood’ political thinking. I am often surprised at how people have no ethical qualms about continuously increasing the rate of taxation as if the act of paying tax is some kind of moral responsibility citizens have (provided that you earn above a certain amount, of course). I recently read Frédéric Bastiat’s The Law, and it really opened my eyes to the severe immorality of taxation as a concept. I will attempt to explain why here.
 
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I just ask to be left alone by all people and governments that want to tell me what to do.
You live in a fantasy, since that's never going to happen unless you go find an uninhabited island somewhere. Your principles are only going to apply to a fantasy in your head. I have no idea why you even pretend to comment on political candidates, since not a single one in the entire country's history meets your standards.
 
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You live in a fantasy, since that's never going to happen unless you go find an uninhabited island somewhere. Your principles are only going to apply to a fantasy in your head. I have no idea why you even pretend to comment on political candidates, since not a single one in the entire country's history meets your standards.
I love how prescriptive you are. I have my community that believe the same and we know that we live under the boot of an oppressor so I think we will be ok as we watch everyone else slowly boil in the pot.

as for commenting I think it is needed because these politicians will never save anyone. It is a huge folly to believe a "great man" will save you,.
 
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listening to this now. it's pretty great.

love how Bernie pointed out that the insurance companies had bought ads to run during the debate for the purpose of demonizing Medicare for All. so while he was given 40 seconds or so to explain the health care system and his plans, the companies working against him were airing ads countering his policies during the debates. JRE is a good place to call out power imbalances and sneaky shit like this, how companies are screwing us over in real time.

great response to people saying "Medicare 4 All will never work". he pointed to the original implementation, done in 1965, entirely without the internet infrastructure, or any modern technology that we have now. they got it up and running and covered 19 million people in the first year alone.


improving Medicare seems like a no brainer. the bureaucracy is already in place. feel like naysayers are stuck in the 60's. clearly we need to try to do better. i'm all for it.
 
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It wouldn't even be a nation. Get your borders off my back oppressor. Don't tell me what to do.
How do we protect the sovereignty of this nation?
We need a military. Armed households and small militias won't be enough in 21st century combat
How are we going to fund it?
Maybe we could just ask everyone to donate a little bit?
That sounds a lot like taxes!
 

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Glad they touched on mental illness being a part of universal healthcare. 100% my views. You wanna focus on mental health instead of gun control, fine, then do something to make mental health more affordable. Mental care is health care, same as goin to a doctor for a flu.
I agree. I think what also needs to happen though is more money put into research into meds. It may not be possible, but so many people with mental illnesses never “get right.” Stay off drugs and they are crazy, stay on drugs and they feel like zombies and emotionless and never feel happy. Of course there are people who feel “normal” when on the right medications, but some people are never able to be helped no matter what meds they’re on. And I feel so bad for them it must be horrible being stuck is a never-ending prison that is in your mind.

I really hope one day, if it’s even possible it may not be, there is some breakthrough drug that is amazing for those who are mentally ill where it can take away all the bad stuff they deal with but retain the good.

We still don’t know so much about the brain, I think this is an area where a lot of progress could still be made with research and new medications. Maybe even good enough to help the people who are literally born as budding killers with no empathy.
 
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Finally listening to this now and Bernie is tearing apart the health insurance industry. I agree with him 100% too. Capitalism is only going to continue to work with proper checks and balances. As long as we let the corporations run the show they will continue to collude and do whatever it takes to maximize profits.
 
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How do we protect the sovereignty of this nation?
We need a military. Armed households and small militias won't be enough in 21st century combat
How are we going to fund it?
Maybe we could just ask everyone to donate a little bit?
That sounds a lot like taxes!
You don’t you protect sovereignty of individuals. Every modern conflict the USA has lost disagrees with you.

Donations are voluntary. Taxes are not. That is exactly what I’m saying. Just seriously not mockingly.

Bernie wants a fantasy utopia with made up government funds.
 

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You live in a fantasy, since that's never going to happen unless you go find an uninhabited island somewhere. Your principles are only going to apply to a fantasy in your head. I have no idea why you even pretend to comment on political candidates, since not a single one in the entire country's history meets your standards.
Shh.. Let him be angry...
 

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Bernie wants a fantasy utopia with made up government funds.
expanding Medicare is not a fantasy.

what is with all the people obsessed with "fantasy" here. he is not promising free ponies, he is talking about expanding Medicare. this is a program they successfully started in 1965. if you think we can't improve on something done in 1965 then you shouldn't be commenting on what is fantasy and what is reality.
 

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expanding Medicare is not a fantasy.

what is with all the people obsessed with "fantasy" here. he is not promising free ponies, he is talking about expanding Medicare. this is a program they successfully started in 1965. if you think we can't improve on something done in 1965 then you shouldn't be commenting on what is fantasy and what is reality.
Well I'm not going to vote for him unless I get a free pony.
 
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I don't know why people like Bernie, really.

It's not like his policy suggestions are that radically different from some of the other candidates and he sounds pretty dull when he talks.
 

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Well I'm not going to vote for him unless I get a free pony.
No worries, you won't have to. He's going to have all his support coalesce behind Elizabeth Warren, now that she's stolen all of his ideas word for word and has at least some DNC backing.
 

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he is pretty different. we haven't really had many candidates openly talk about wall street as a villain before he really gained steam in 2016. the reason i liked him in the first place was him ranting on this topic in 2008, when everyone else, including Clinton and Biden, were saying the opposite. "we got to give wall street this money." they said. now they are saying "Bernie is trying to take wall street's money. we have to stop him." they are saying the same old shit too, that wall street's money is somehow sacred. i don't buy that fantasy.

funny enough, people said he would never get anywhere near winning, that his message was too scary, and now everyone is ripping him off. so you have people accusing him of sounding like everyone else lol. the man's ideas is too successful. people want these policies. he would have won last time.

where is the money to do this stuff coming from? taxing wall street. why is that a good thing? maybe you were asleep 10 years ago when we handed them a giant bag a money. maybe we can actually get some for the people fronting that bill this time? tax money doesn't just come from thin air, real people pay it whether they benefit or not. it would be nice to start benefiting from gov't projects. isn't that why we have one in the first place?
 
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I don't know why people like Bernie, really.

It's not like his policy suggestions are that radically different from some of the other candidates and he sounds pretty dull when he talks.
He keeps his positions and policies for decades. He has a proven voting record to back this up. There's a characteristic of being genuine that you don't get with most candidates.
 
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i like the idea of a tax on wall street speculation. basically since the stock market has become a place for addicts to gamble with our money, and algorithms are built to trade at lightning fast speeds, the idea would be to tax each transaction. this encourages stability and would potentially raise a ton of money.

most Americans have their retirement funds in the stock market. we are held hostage by wall street. plus we didn't really implement any fixes following the financial crash of 2008. this would both raise money for popular programs and at least go a little way towards disincentivizing over speculation.
 
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I listened to this postcast, as a Brit with only a cursory knowledge of the American political scene.

Sanders comes across as a decent man looking for answers to complex problems and rightly has frustration with the level of political discourse in the western world. However, his purported solutions are terrible, the kind of thing that gets promoted by Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, they're dangerous to the economy.
 

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I don't know why people like Bernie, really.

It's not like his policy suggestions are that radically different from some of the other candidates and he sounds pretty dull when he talks.
They are the Doom clones to his Doom. And they absolutely were different from the other candidates in 2016 on the issues:

Minimum wage: $7.25 (Trump), $12 (Hillary), $15 (Bernie)
Universal Healthcare: Repeal and replace Obamacare (Trump), public option(Hillary), single player (Bernie).
Free College: No (Trump), free community college & 10 year loan forgiveness (Hillary), free 4 year universities & total student loan debt wipe (Bernie)
Taxes on corporations and the wealthiest Americans: Lower them (Trump), maintain them (Hillary), raise them (Bernie)

Well, now in 2019 a plurality of the dems support $15 minimum wage, single payer healthcare, at least partially forgiving student loan debt, and raising taxes. His movement has shifted the field more left. Granted, Biden is much more identical to Hillary on these and he is performing strongly in the polls, but at least Bernie's policies are no longer a fringe.
 

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I listened to this postcast, as a Brit with only a cursory knowledge of the American political scene.

Sanders comes across as a decent man looking for answers to complex problems and rightly has frustration with the level of political discourse in the western world. However, his purported solutions are terrible, the kind of thing that gets promoted by Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, they're dangerous to the economy.
I dunno, Bernie came across as far more reasonable than Corbyn has ever done to me.
 

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Joe's last question about aliens at the end, that if he would tell the world if ever ever found out there were aliens. Bernie said he would announce it on the show. would be amazing.
 

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I dunno, Bernie came across as far more reasonable than Corbyn has ever done to me.
That's because Corbyn is a fervent islamist who associates with known terrorists, lays wreaths for them and calls them his "good friends".
 

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He keeps his positions and policies for decades. He has a proven voting record to back this up. There's a characteristic of being genuine that you don't get with most candidates.
So, identity politics.

They are the Doom clones to his Doom. And they absolutely were different from the other candidates in 2016 on the issues:

Minimum wage: $7.25 (Trump), $12 (Hillary), $15 (Bernie)
Universal Healthcare: Repeal and replace Obamacare (Trump), public option(Hillary), single player (Bernie).
Free College: No (Trump), free community college & 10 year loan forgiveness (Hillary), free 4 year universities & total student loan debt wipe (Bernie)
Taxes on corporations and the wealthiest Americans: Lower them (Trump), maintain them (Hillary), raise them (Bernie)

Well, now in 2019 a plurality of the dems support $15 minimum wage, single payer healthcare, at least partially forgiving student loan debt, and raising taxes. His movement has shifted the field more left. Granted, Biden is much more identical to Hillary on these and he is performing strongly in the polls, but at least Bernie's policies are no longer a fringe.
I was talking about the present, not 2016.
 
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The funny thing about everyone on that cancer of a website calling Rogan racist is did you see who his guest was after Bernie? Alonzo Bodden :messenger_tears_of_joy: :messenger_tears_of_joy:

You'd think black guys/girls who've known Joe Rogan personally and intimately for 20+ years would know more than anyone how not racist Rogan is, but nah. A bunch of virgin emo depressed angry dorks on RE know better than all of them!
 
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