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Bernie on JRE today !!

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Great interview. I think a lot of people didn't see this Bernie. Quiet without need of soundbites.

I agree with comment below. JRE should host debates and instead of one or two hours 5-6 hour debate with everyone.

MSM concept is idiotic in time of internet
 

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I'm sad Bernie is probably never going to be president. Myself not being a US citizen I would be so happy to see someone like him be president of the world's power, it would give me hope. Bernie is like the president the US needs but doesn't deserve.
 

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Nothing about the Green new Deal, the rampant racism and hate crimes, PC culture spiraling out of control? Common Joe.
 

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I'm sad Bernie is probably never going to be president. Myself not being a US citizen I would be so happy to see someone like him be president of the world's power, it would give me hope. Bernie is like the president the US needs but doesn't deserve.
If Bernie were president, he would be just as divisive as Trump, even though he might mean well.

The US needs someone that will get more than 70% of the vote.
 

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The US spent decades fighting the Cold War and saving civilization and now socialists are about to take over America. Life is funny that way.

Does Joe rogan ask him about his support for anti-American dictators and totalitarian regimes? His hypocrisy in being a millionaire socialist with multiple houses while he praised the values of leftwing regimes that confiscated people's properties and executed 'class enemies'?
 
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Nothing about the Green new Deal, the rampant racism and hate crimes, PC culture spiraling out of control? Common Joe.
This is what it comes down to for me, Bernie seems like a reasonable dude with reasonable ideas, but his side are anything but reasonable and he needs to disavow the toxic elements of the modern left.

Health care is important and all well and good, but there's a bigger battle being waged now, there are elements that want to absolutely destroy the US from within.

The left needs to be kept far, far away from the White House until they sort themselves out, I feel bad for Bernie, he's a more old school leftist the type of which I can respect, but he's shackled to this modern "woke" "intersectional" left that is pure evil.
 

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I'm already into the first 10 minutes and Bernie continues to throw out the "numbers" salad.

You'd think for a person like me who is very interested in statistics wouldn't find him to be annoying, but Bernie just spouts stuff "the blablabla percent owns bla bla bla percent" non-stop.

You know, when I bring up statistics and data on Neogaf, I at least try to raise a point. I try to actually tie it to a solution or problem.

But Bernie. He just wants to sell you on some numbers he found on some random spreadsheet and then boom, expects magic to happen.

He's not even the fun type of nerd who even tries to teach you new things. His modus operandi is basically "Omg, did you know rich people are rich? I didn't know that, did you!?!?!?!?!".
The Left loves to spew out numbers and their favorite math is: division.
 

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Like Saudi Arabia and North Korea? :pie_thinking:
Doing business with tyrannical regimes is part of politics - the world is what it is and no country can just sit at home pouting and only associating with countries it likes.

Bernie's and the left's support for tyrannical and totalitarian states is IDEOLOGICAL. It's not out of necessity, but out of shared (rotten) values. There's a big difference between an American conservative politician doing business with Saudi Arabia because of their oil and it's strategic value and let's say for example American muslim politician who hates the US constitution and American values and wants islam to dominates the US and the world. Completely different.
 
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Glad they touched on mental illness being a part of universal healthcare. 100% my views. You wanna focus on mental health instead of gun control, fine, then do something to make mental health more affordable. Mental care is health care, same as goin to a doctor for a flu.
I agree that mental health should be a focus but I don’t think this is entirely the right way to tackle it. I posit that much of the increase in mental illness is attributable to left wing policies or things downstream from them, e.g. the overmedication of boys. Rather than throwing copious amounts of money at the cure end of the problem, I think a far more rational way to go about it would be to prioritise prevention. This is best achieved through the soft influence of culture, e.g. promotion of the family unit and familial bonds, instilling a sense of purpose and belonging, etc. In the past, this was the domain of religion, but in the post-religious secular world I’m not sure how best to go about it.
 

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Doing business with tyrannical regimes is part of politics - the world is what it is and no country can just sit at home pouting and only associating with countries it likes.

Bernie's and the left's support for tyrannical and totalitarian states is IDEOLOGICAL. It's not out of necessity, but out of shared (rotten) values. There's a big difference between an American conservative politician doing business with Saudi Arabia because of their oil and it's strategic value and let's say for example American muslim politician who hates the US constitution and American values and wants islam to dominates the US and the world. Completely different.
What, Venezuela don't got oil anymore?

Not that different. The interests of the military industrial complex stay the same. It's the rationalizations of the team players that keeps changing.
 

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I agree that mental health should be a focus but I don’t think this is entirely the right way to tackle it. I posit that much of the increase in mental illness is attributable to left wing policies or things downstream from them, e.g. the overmedication of boys. Rather than throwing copious amounts of money at the cure end of the problem, I think a far more rational way to go about it would be to prioritise prevention. This is best achieved through the soft influence of culture, e.g. promotion of the family unit and familial bonds, instilling a sense of purpose and belonging, etc. In the past, this was the domain of religion, but in the post-religious secular world I’m not sure how best to go about it.
Hey talked a lot about this issue. Mental health is directly related to over medication and we have a crisis in this country. We solve every problem with pills.

He mentioned the need for more mental health resources. When people need help there is just nowhere they can turn to. Not everyone can afford a costly therapist. He mentioned people across the country needing help and having no where to go.

There is an overall pessimism lingering in the air, people are out of options, but if we improve things, through structural improvements to the overall system, things will get better.

So all of that can be part of the health care refresh too, addressing mental health, hiring counsellors, putting up outreach centres and stuff. As he said it’s not a magical solution but we have to do what we can.
 
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Hey talked a lot about this issue. Mental health is directly related to over medication and we have a crisis in this country. We solve every problem with pills.

He mentioned the need for more mental health resources. When people need help there is just nowhere they can turn to. Not everyone can afford a costly therapist. He mentioned people across the country needing help and having no where to go.

There is an overall pessimism lingering in the air, people are out of options, but if we improve things, through structural improvements to the overall system, things will get better.

So all of that can be part of the health care refresh too, addressing mental health, hiring counsellors, putting up outreach centres and stuff. As he said it’s not a magical solution but we have to do what we can.
But what I’m saying is that extra resources are seen as a cure when instead we should be looking towards prevention.
 

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But what I’m saying is that extra resources are seen as a cure when instead we should be looking towards prevention.
That’s what counselling is for. They want to open mental health centres for people to get help. That’s prevention, no?

Unless you were thinking a specific form of prevention? In that case what is it? I don’t really think there is a whole lot you can do to prevent mental illness, it happens and you deal with it before the person hurts others.
 
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That’s what counselling is for. They want to open mental health centres for people to get help. That’s prevention, no?

Unless you were thinking a specific form of prevention? In that case what is it?
I mentioned it in my previous post: the soft influence of culture. Counselling is still in the cure end of the problem. You don’t seek counselling until there’s an issue. If there’s no issue to begin with, you don’t need counselling.
 

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I wonder if yang, tulsi or maybe even bernie is thinking about going as third party again.
 

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I mentioned it in my previous post: the soft influence of culture. Counselling is still in the cure end of the problem. You don’t seek counselling until there’s an issue. If there’s no issue to begin with, you don’t need counselling.
I don’t think culture is what creates behavior. People behave how they want and they justify it with culture. A murderer is still going to do that whether he has a movie or not.

Also it’s not like the President can order what movies and tv shows to make. That is entirely out of his control.
 
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I mentioned it in my previous post: the soft influence of culture. Counselling is still in the cure end of the problem. You don’t seek counselling until there’s an issue. If there’s no issue to begin with, you don’t need counselling.
True mental illness is a chemical imbalance that medication + therapy addresses, tho. I agree that pills are overprescribed much like pain medication, but I wouldn't conflate the societal illness you describe with genuine mental illness. Its more like one makes the other worse, it cultivates it, augments it.

I wonder if yang, tulsi or maybe even bernie is thinking about going as third party again.
Wasn't following Yang at the time but Tulsi and Bernie fell in line and endorsed Hillary in the end. They knew 3rd party would divert votes from the democrat nominee.
 

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Ok nice to know, but not long ago the place was without a government I think and warlords basically took parts of the country.
Im not completely up in my Somali history but I’m guessing the cause of warlords to be in charge wasn’t because they didn’t have a government.
 

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Im not completely up in my Somali history but I’m guessing the cause of warlords to be in charge wasn’t because they didn’t have a government.
Hmmm https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/jun/06/mainsection.international1

"Somalia has been without an effective government since Mohamed Siad Barre was overthrown in 1991. In much of the country, and in Mogadishu in particular, warlords have ruled by force, accumulating vast wealth through the control of ports, roads and airfields, and ensuring any attempts at national authority failed."

Without a government, how do you exactly prevent violent rogue groups to basically take over public institutions and infrastructure? Unless you prefer living in Mad Max world.
 

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The US spent decades fighting the Cold War and saving civilization and now socialists are about to take over America. Life is funny that way.
Our brave boys fought during the Cold War era so that we could have shitty healthcare and siphoning of wealth from the middle class due to a corrupt system that puts all power in control of politicians, legislation, and regulation into the hands of the already absurdly wealthy.
 
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This is what it comes down to for me, Bernie seems like a reasonable dude with reasonable ideas, but his side are anything but reasonable and he needs to disavow the toxic elements of the modern left.

Health care is important and all well and good, but there's a bigger battle being waged now, there are elements that want to absolutely destroy the US from within.

The left needs to be kept far, far away from the White House until they sort themselves out, I feel bad for Bernie, he's a more old school leftist the type of which I can respect, but he's shackled to this modern "woke" "intersectional" left that is pure evil.
Indeed. Bernie basically addressed the easy material that Libs already agree with. Better gun control & better healthcare, good. But what about everything else that comes with the package that is simply unattainable.

Where was the challenge from Joe on open borders, health care for non citizens, the deep swing to the left.

Waste of time.
 

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Our brave boys fought during the Cold War era so that we could have shitty healthcare and siphoning of wealth from the middle class due to a corrupt system that puts all power in control of politicians, legislation, and regulation into the hands of the already absurdly wealthy.
Money makes money in a free economy. The more money you have, the more you can make. Taxes need careful balance so as not to punish a system of high achievement while still benefiting the government and inherent trickle down programs.

But it’s still a first world country with a standard of living that is beyond 90% of the world. People need to balance their critique and realise how privileged they really are and take personal responsibility.
 
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Money makes money in a free economy. The more money you have, the more you can make. Taxes need careful balance so as not to punish a system of high achievement while still benefiting the government and inherent trickle down programs.

But it’s still a first world country with a standard of living that is beyond 90% of the world. People need to balance their critique and realise how privileged they really are and take personal responsibility.
It seems pretty balanced. Letting people go to the doctor. Giving people access to school, which is the only way they usually have upward mobility and can take personal responsibility. Not destroying the planet's environment. That's about it.
 
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at least with /pol/ you know they are full of shit. with shitera, they are shit because they want to be shit.

i'm glad bernie is on the JRE. now i want tulsi gibbard and that gillebrand as well.
 

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yeah you are a one note troll. putting you on ignore. bye
That.. wasn't.. Anyway, the guy needs to get his numbers up or he's fucked and that's the truth.

If there isn't a surge for anyone else by the next debate, pretty sure Biden will have a lock.
 
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I feel like Rogan's strength as an interviewer is the thing that makes some people mad at him: he just approaches it as an average guy asking the kinds of questions a typical person would ask. People are getting so used to these partisan gotcha interviews and are often just looking for "X DESTROYS Y" highlight videos. So when someone they don't like doesn't get that treatment they assume it's because the interviewer is actively trying to promote them.
 

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Rogan said he wants to leave California soon and move somewhere else. Brought up Denver and Montana as possibilities. Said he doesn’t like California it’s too cluttered with people. Said if he leaves he’ll likely fly back in to his studio to record a bunch of podcast episodes en masse and then release them periodically and then take like a month off.

So many’s favorite podcast might be changing. Can’t blame Joe if he wants to start to settle down, he’s in his 50s.
 

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True mental illness is a chemical imbalance that medication + therapy addresses, tho. I agree that pills are overprescribed much like pain medication, but I wouldn't conflate the societal illness you describe with genuine mental illness. Its more like one makes the other worse, it cultivates it, augments it.



Wasn't following Yang at the time but Tulsi and Bernie fell in line and endorsed Hillary in the end. They knew 3rd party would divert votes from the democrat nominee.
But why are those chemical imbalances becoming increasingly common?
 

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I don’t think culture is what creates behavior. People behave how they want and they justify it with culture. A murderer is still going to do that whether he has a movie or not.

Also it’s not like the President can order what movies and tv shows to make. That is entirely out of his control.
I completely disagree on this one mate. Culture absolutely defines behaviour. Sure, you have localised cases of people not having it instilled in them or choosing to ignore it. You also have counter-culture groups that willingly go against the grain and push boundaries. But culture is what defines the majority beliefs and behaviours of a particular group. Pointing at an extreme case like a murderer misses the point.
 
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Indeed. Bernie basically addressed the easy material that Libs already agree with. Better gun control & better healthcare, good. But what about everything else that comes with the package that is simply unattainable.

Where was the challenge from Joe on open borders, health care for non citizens, the deep swing to the left.

Waste of time.
Yup, it was a waste of time.

The health care issue seems downright dated and quaint in 2019, there's a far more important battle being fought over whether there's even going to be a United States of America at all, we can worry about healthcare after we sort that out.

I mean don't get me wrong, healthcare is important and it should be more of a focus, but blame the lunatic left for drawing attention away from it by their idiocy.

I'm not voting for the party that's made up of people chanting "no borders, no wall, no USA at all" until those elements are disavowed as much as the left wants Trump to disavow white supremacists.
 

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But why are those chemical imbalances becoming increasingly common?
Don't think they necessarily are. People have always had them but modern medical practice is finally diagnosing them. DSM was barely published in the 50s afterall. Treatment is not catching up as quickly; still a lot to figure out. And ten minutes with a clinincal doctor to prescribe you X ssri instead of Y ssri ain't hard science. Its gut feeling of the practicioner meets time/financial constraints of the patient.
 

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Don't think they necessarily are. People have always had them but modern medical practice is finally diagnosing them. DSM was barely published in the 50s afterall. Treatment is not catching up as quickly; still a lot to figure out. And ten minutes with a clinincal doctor to prescribe you X ssri instead of Y ssri ain't hard science. Its gut feeling of the practicioner meets time/financial constraints of the patient.
I think we're heading towards a nature vs. nurture argument so it'll probably be hard to reach a conclusion. I think you're arguing that it's more of a nature thing, i.e. the mental illness was always there and we're just more aware of it now and therefore in a better position to treat it, whereas I'm arguing it's more of a nurture thing, i.e. in the post-religious secular era, we have restructured our society such that the degradation of family ties is resulting in a loss of a sense of self and lack of purpose in more and more people which is in turn leading to higher rates mental illness. It's probably ultimately a bit of both, but I believe that it's one problem where the nurture component is the biggest factor. Then throw in rapid technological change like social media and globalisation causing people to move away from home and the subsequent loss of community, and it's a recipe for social disaster. Regardless of what we attribute it to, mental health diagnoses are definitely on the rise: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/03/190315110908.htm

I think focusing primarily on the nature component will make it a very expensive problem though because it inevitably necessitates more and more funding for various "cures". Moreover, it creates a culture that actually incentivises it, like it's considered cool in a way to have some kind of diagnosis to fit in. Some people have very minor problems and just need to harden the fuck up, but we also can't just suppress it because other people have serious problems that do need treatment.
 
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I think we're heading towards a nature vs. nurture argument so it'll probably be hard to reach a conclusion. I think you're arguing that it's more of a nature thing, i.e. the mental illness was always there and we're just more aware of it now and therefore in a better position to treat it, whereas I'm arguing it's more of a nurture thing, i.e. in the post-religious secular era, we have restructured our society such that the degradation of family ties is resulting in a loss of a sense of self and lack of purpose in more and more people which is in turn leading to higher rates mental illness. It's probably ultimately a bit of both, but I believe that it's one problem where the nurture component is the biggest factor. Then throw in rapid technological change like social media and globalisation causing people to move away from home and the subsequent loss of community, and it's a recipe for social disaster.
One needs not look further back than last century to see how barbaric western society could be despite their traditional catholic and protestant religious beliefs. Secular society can still instill moral principles into its population and exist alongside a practicing religious population. I'm just trying to be pragmatic and focus on things that are identifiable like documented illness and gun control (which is fine if you disagree with that). The societal moral fiber angle you're presenting is not wrong but its an abstract problem with an unclear solution. Technology won't stop its march and the world in 2069 will be as different as today is to 1969.

And yes its an expensive undertaking but consider the cost of not addressing it.
 

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I didn't even realize it was that expensive. Then again, I only ever went to a therapist when I was a kid and that was because,my parents forced me to go after a very tragic event.

Hell, I think people might have good luck on forums like this one. You might even find an actual therapist who will at least listen to you and give some advice. But I agree with Bernie about the insurance and drug companies. They have a monopoly on the market and can charge whatever they want. You get sick one time without health insurance, just one visit to the ER, and you're talking at least $1,500 that you have to pay or it fucks up your credit.
I went to a therapist once. It was neat. Then I got the bill and was miraculously healed.
 

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One needs not look further back than last century to see how barbaric western society could be despite their traditional catholic and protestant religious beliefs. Secular society can still instill moral principles into its population and exist alongside a practicing religious population. I'm just trying to be pragmatic and focus on things that are identifiable like documented illness and gun control (which is fine if you disagree with that). The societal moral fiber angle you're presenting is not wrong but its an abstract problem with an unclear solution. Technology won't stop its march and the world in 2069 will be as different as today is to 1969.

And yes its an expensive undertaking but consider the cost of not addressing it.
I'm yet to see evidence of secular society instilling (functional) moral principles into its population. In fact, even though I'm an atheist myself, I don't think the majority of people are equipped to function morally -- as nebulous a term as that is -- without religion. The secular society experiment is only a few decades old, yet we've rapidly reached a level of societal decay I never thought possible. If anything, the historical evidence points in the other direction of what you're suggesting. The accusation of barbarism with respect to Western society is an easy one to make but I think it's unfair to look at history through a tainted modern lens. It must be considered relative to other societies at the time, and Western society was the least barbarous and prospered as a result.

I'm not suggesting to not address it; rather, I'm suggesting that the proposed ways of addressing it may not be as effective as people are assuming and may have other unintended consequences while costing an absolute fortune. To me, pragmatism would be focusing on re-establishing the societal foundations that enabled America to become what it is with mental health treatment spending secondary to that.
 

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I met Joe Rogan this morning, dead serious. I got asked to watch my 3 month old niece while my sister got her shopping done. So there I am, sitting in the waiting area of a clothing store with my niece, and who walks in but Joe fucking Rogan himself.

I was nervous as shit, and just kept looking at him as he was sitting there with his phone and waited, but was too scared to say anything to him. Pretty soon my niece started crying, and I'm trying to quiet her down because I didn't want her to bother Joe, but she wouldn't stop. Pretty soon he gets up and walks over. He started running his hands through her hair and asked what was wrong. I replied that she was probably hungry or something. So Joe put down his phone, picked up my niece and lifted his shirt. He breast fed her right there in the middle of the clothing store. Chill guy, really nice about it. Would let him breast feed my niece again.

We talked a bit about the Bernie podcast afterward (nothing too deep, just small talk) then he went on his way and I felt so good!
 

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I met Joe Rogan this morning, dead serious. I got asked to watch my 3 month old niece while my sister got her shopping done. So there I am, sitting in the waiting area of a clothing store with my niece, and who walks in but Joe fucking Rogan himself.

I was nervous as shit, and just kept looking at him as he was sitting there with his phone and waited, but was too scared to say anything to him. Pretty soon my niece started crying, and I'm trying to quiet her down because I didn't want her to bother Joe, but she wouldn't stop. Pretty soon he gets up and walks over. He started running his hands through her hair and asked what was wrong. I replied that she was probably hungry or something. So Joe put down his phone, picked up my niece and lifted his shirt. He breast fed her right there in the middle of the clothing store. Chill guy, really nice about it. Would let him breast feed my niece again.

We talked a bit about the Bernie podcast afterward (nothing too deep, just small talk) then he went on his way and I felt so good!
Nice one 😂