Beto for 2020?

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It was a disappointing and slim loss for Beto yesterday, but he put up a good fight in Texas. Do you think he's a viable candidate to run against Trump? I'm excited to see some new faces in the Democratic party in general and Beto seems to win over both regular and progressive Democrats, and I think would be highly competitive with moderates.
I like Beto. He seems like a good guy. I honesty hope he becomes a leader of the Democratic Party down the road.

That being said, I don’t think he can win against Trump.
 
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A) sure. But despite that, Trump is still historically unpopular. You aren't dealing with the same metrics.
No, he is not. The lackluster midterm turnover proves that.

He is more popular than Obama was 2010, from a political standpoint. Likeability is a different matter.
 

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There is trickle inside the triangle in counties like Hays (where Beto won) and Caldwell (where Beto lost by a small margin) but nobody in the metro areas is moving to north texas.

Which is fine since those North rural Texas is only 3 House seats. But dems absolutely need every single district inside the triangle and every single district on the border (which they almost did last night)
Ah ok. Thanks. That's was I was unsure about since the cities seem so isolated in the midst of such much country area.

I'll tell you one thing. I'm sure some folks were shitting their pants at 1st. It was surprisingly close.
 

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Sanders/Warren would be my dream team for 2020. If something happened to Sanders then Warren would be a shoe in for reelection. Or maybe Warren/Schultz. Would be hard to hit Warren as being anti business when her running mate is the CEO of Starbucks.

Will that happen, likely not. I have a feeling we will be seeing that bloviating gasbag, Booker, or Hillary donor favorite/establishment darling Kamala Harris as the front-runner.

There are many members of the Democratic party though that I can't stand. I would vote third party against 3/4 of the list up at Politico just to stick it to the DNC were they chosen.
 
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Are you asking should he run or can he win? I'm not sure he can win, but he can run if he wants. To me, on the one hand, he lost to Lyin Ted who is not a viable presidential candidate as long as Trump is around. However, on the flip side, he has some skills as a public orator which is a plus.
 

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I don't think Texas is really a proper way to judge Beto because a Democrat is never going to win there unless the demographics change. It's deep red. Texas doesn't represent the rest of the US. With that said, 2020 is too early for Beto. I don't think he'd beat Trump. He would in 2016, but Trump has proven he can energize his base and I don't trust Beto's voters enough to show up.
 

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Y'all are kidding yourselves if you don't accept that HRC is going to throw her hat in the ring, generate massive debate about whether she should be the nominee again, and eventually get picked thanks to her media allies and most of her opponents preaching from a choir that would make today's far left say "damn that sounds crazy".
 

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Uh, that makes their losses worse, not better. More seats shifting is always a bigger deal.
I view it more as that Democrats had a large number of seats in typically Republican areas in 2010 due to Bush backlash. For this particular election there weren't as many Republican seats being held in typically Democrat leaning areas. And the demographics of rural vs urban have consistently strengthened Republicans abilities to win much more easily. It was estimated that there had to be at least a +6 Democratic house lean just to break even on seats, which is crazy.
 
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Y'all are kidding yourselves if you don't accept that HRC is going to throw her hat in the ring, generate massive debate about whether she should be the nominee again, and eventually get picked thanks to her media allies and most of her opponents preaching from a choir that would make today's far left say "damn that sounds crazy".
Rare for someone to get a nomination again after losing the big race.

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I don't think he wants to.
Are you asking should he run or can he win? I'm not sure he can win, but he can run if he wants. To me, on the one hand, he lost to Lyin Ted who is not a viable presidential candidate as long as Trump is around. However, on the flip side, he has some skills as a public orator which is a plus.
Beto did better against Cruz than Trump did in the Texas primary for whatever that's worth.
 
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Rare for someone to get a nomination again after losing the big race.

Biden2020
Agreed, but I still think she gets the nomination. The party is an expert at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and she is out there saying she wants to be president while giving pr responses about not wanting to go through an election again. Biden is the best choice though. He has real and genuine personality that resonates.
 
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This thread was copied form era I believe.

Also why are people saying a guy who lost has a chance in 2020? Even Obama had to win.

Y'all are kidding yourselves if you don't accept that HRC is going to throw her hat in the ring, generate massive debate about whether she should be the nominee again, and eventually get picked thanks to her media allies and most of her opponents preaching from a choir that would make today's far left say "damn that sounds crazy".
Hillary Clinton was being dragged into black vans after having aseixure which is on video, and people still pretend it didn't happen.

She is too old and not in good condition. Although your post is likely a joke based on the wording just wanted to be sure.

Sanders/Warren would be my dream team for 2020. .
Both those two are too tainted to win any elections. Especially Warren.

Democrats would never put a white male out as a candidate. That's all in the past.
Wasn't there 4 old white males along with Hillary in the primary while the Republicans had an Indian, technically two black guys, 2 Hispanics, 1 native, and even Fat Alberts white cousin Mr.Crispy Bridge was at the debates!
 

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Hillary Clinton was being dragged into black vans after having aseixure which is on video, and people still pretend it didn't happen.

She is too old and not in good condition. Although your post is likely a joke based on the wording just wanted to be sure.
I hope my post looks stupid someday, but I've paid attention to what she says, doesn't say, deflects, etc. I have no doubt in my mind she still thinks its her turn and will try. She will chew up challengers from the far left like pringles.
 
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I hope my post looks stupid someday, but I've paid attention to what she says, doesn't say, deflects, etc. I have no doubt in my mind she still thinks its her turn and will try. She will chew up challengers from the far left like pringles.
Oh, I didn't say she wouldn't try just she won't win.

I fully expect her or her via her daughter, to jump in the race by summer next years since that's when the campaigns start and it'snot likely the democrats would from around a leader yet. Might even use the same campaign slogan.
 

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What is tainted about Warren? The Native American thing? The socialism boogeyman?

Also, Sanders, tainted? He's the most popular politician in the USA.
 
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What is tainted about Warren? The Native American thing? The socialism boogeyman?

Also, Sanders, tainted? He's the most popular politician in the USA.
He's not the most popular he's the most likable.

Also yes Sanders is tainted, especially among his own party which people seem to forget about. Well technically the democrats aren't his party but that's what he'll run as if he ever ran again. And many in the dem base do not like Bernie. Outside of that, he's considered a communist on the other side and on the libertarian side. Moderates will flee in terror, double because of Warren as a running mate.
 

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He's not the most popular he's the most likable.

Also yes Sanders is tainted, especially among his own party which people seem to forget about. Well technically the democrats aren't his party but that's what he'll run as if he ever ran again. And many in the dem base do not like Bernie. Outside of that, he's considered a communist on the other side and on the libertarian side. Moderates will flee in terror, double because of Warren as a running mate.
People don't like Bernie but he is the most likable...
 

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Biden is more likable and has broader appeal.
I like Biden too. I just am not sure if he can counter Trump if the economy holds strong and Democrats play the asshole obstructionist game for the next 2 years. I guarantee Trump is going to push for Marijuana legalization in 8-12 months, among other populist policy.

Likability doesn't translate to victory. He was more likable than Clinton didn't work to well.
Yeah, but he won against Hillary in all the states Hillary needed to win if she wanted to beat Trump. Combine that with the media coronating Hillary early on, DNC shenanigans, closed primaries, and him and being relatively obscure within the southern black block (which is an electoral loss area for Democrats) makes that lead look a lot smaller in hindsight.

 
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I like Biden too. I just am not sure if he can counter Trump if the economy holds strong and Democrats play the asshole obstructionist game for the next 2 years. I guarantee Trump is going to push for Marijuana legalization in 8-12 months, among other populist policy.



Yeah, but he won against Hillary in all the states Hillary needed to win if she wanted to beat Trump. Combine that with the media coronating Hillary early on, DNC shenanigans, closed primaries, and him and being relatively obscure within the southern black block (which is an electoral loss area for Democrats) makes that lead look a lot smaller in hindsight.


Except that there were areas she won that were close, and the areas bernie lost badly would have lost him the election if he still lost them.

DNC issues aside, and media, Hillary was generally the candidate the base wanted. Bernie wasn't able to convert enough of them. Now after months of attacking Bernie fans as a potnetial reason for her loss, what good would he be in 2020?
 

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I like Biden too. I just am not sure if he can counter Trump if the economy holds strong and Democrats play the asshole obstructionist game for the next 2 years. I guarantee Trump is going to push for Marijuana legalization in 8-12 months, among other populist policy.



Yeah, but he won against Hillary in all the states Hillary needed to win if she wanted to beat Trump. Combine that with the media coronating Hillary early on, DNC shenanigans, closed primaries, and him and being relatively obscure within the southern black block (which is an electoral loss area for Democrats) makes that lead look a lot smaller in hindsight.

I see your point.

I wouldn’t want to throw a rising star candidate into a situation they (historically) are going to lose. Those candidates are inexperienced. It’s best they build a resume.

Biden can handle the Trump shenanigans. And they help Biden’s Achilles heel... that foot in mouth thing that has plagued him in the past.

He would have beat Trump in 2016. He had the resume, the likability.

Trump and base will destroy Warren after her Native American blunder. And the more her and Booker talk, the worst they tend to sound. Don’t get me wrong, their fiery passion works great with their supports. Not so much with working class people in the mid west.

If Biden can’t beat Trump in 2020, the Democrats can’t imo. Lot can change from then to now.

You run Biden in 2020, reboot the party, set sights for 2024.

My party is seen as the party of Elitist, celebrities and college kids. Both groups are seen to look down at working folks. They need to get back to being the party of all people.

You run Biden as the nominee for 2020 and a rising star as VP. Get Biden for the working class and rising star for energetic young people.

If they lose, it doesn’t destroy the rising star, the Party needs them badly.
 

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Except that there were areas she won that were close, and the areas bernie lost badly would have lost him the election if he still lost them.
What states do you think Bernie would have lost that Hillary won? Hillary only won in strong blue states, and lost the purple populist midwestern states that hated her to begin with.

If they lose, it doesn’t destroy the rising star, the Party needs them badly.
Totally agree. I also fear that the elites in the party are more than willing to keep doubling down on neoliberalism to suit their financial backer's dystopian visions.
 

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I don't think Texas is really a proper way to judge Beto because a Democrat is never going to win there unless the demographics change. It's deep red. Texas doesn't represent the rest of the US. With that said, 2020 is too early for Beto. I don't think he'd beat Trump. He would in 2016, but Trump has proven he can energize his base and I don't trust Beto's voters enough to show up.
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The problem for Beto is I don't know how he stays relevant until 2024. He's not even a congressman anymore starting next year. He can't just sit on his couch for 6 years and run in 2024. But what office can he realistically win from this point ? I guess he could try for the Senate again in 6 years...
 

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The problem for Beto is I don't know how he stays relevant until 2024. He's not even a congressman anymore starting next year. He can't just sit on his couch for 6 years and run in 2024. But what office can he realistically win from this point ? I guess he could try for the Senate again in 6 years...
He could run for senate again in 2 years again Cornyn. He would probably have a better chance against him.

Though the people I talked to at work today didn't seem to happy about voting for Cruz, but did it because they though Orourke was too extreme and like him less.
 
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Sanders/Warren would be my dream team for 2020. If something happened to Sanders then Warren would be a shoe in for reelection. Or maybe Warren/Schultz. Would be hard to hit Warren as being anti business when her running mate is the CEO of Starbucks.

Will that happen, likely not. I have a feeling we will be seeing that bloviating gasbag, Booker, or Hillary donor favorite/establishment darling Kamala Harris as the front-runner.

There are many members of the Democratic party though that I can't stand. I would vote third party against 3/4 of the list up at Politico just to stick it to the DNC were they chosen.
Holy shit at first i thought your a Republican who just wants the Democrats to lose big.
But you actually really want that to happen :O
 

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I know you're excited Arkage but let's keep our feet on the ground. Beto outspent and out-advertised Cruz -- who has been losing popularity from his own side -- and still lost.
Trump is very popular in Texas. Despite that Beto made it a very close race. A Democrat has not won a U.S. Senate seat in Texas since 1994.
 

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What states do you think Bernie would have lost that Hillary won? Hillary only won in strong blue states, and lost the purple populist midwestern states that hated her to begin with.



Totally agree. I also fear that the elites in the party are more than willing to keep doubling down on neoliberalism to suit their financial backer's dystopian visions.

Bernie also actually campaigned in those areas and sat down and just talked with rural voters in the states Hilliary lost that traditionally vote Democrat for president.

Hilliary was to busy hanging out with celebrities and attending concerts with Jay Z and Beyoncé.
 
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Bernie also actually campaigned in those areas and sat down and just talked with rural voters in the states Hilliary lost that traditionally vote Democrat for president.

Hilliary was to busy hanging out with celebrities and attending concerts with Jay Z and Beyoncé.
Vermont is a peculiar state. Gun loving, rural and starkly progressive, populist, and libertarian at the same time. I think the Vermont Progressive Party would do well in many Western and Midwestern farming and ranching states to be honest. I know Sanders isn't an official member of that party, but his platform definitely takes cues from theirs. That is likely why he resonated in the Midwest like he did, and why he could sit down and talk to them. Bernie talked about going after the corporation who sold their job off for higher profits and about protecting their slower way of life - which are things Vermonters also value. They don't want to be talked down to by some city dwelling elite who tells them to give up their lives and families to go get retrained to have an office job in the city. Which is exactly how Hillary presented it - and further sowed seeds of distrust by not coming to talk to them.

That being said, Democrats need to learn from 2016, and I fear they haven't because their party leadership is urban and wealthy, and cares little for mid-westerners whose jobs were lost when the local factory closed to move production to Mexico or China.
 

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Eh I feel like Biden is just too old at this point. Isn't he even older than Trump? Like almost 80?
Everyone keeps citing age as something to take into consideration when voting. I say as long as he's not senile then just vote for him. If he dies in office, the vice president takes over and big whoop.
 

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Trump is very popular in Texas. Despite that Beto made it a very close race. A Democrat has not won a U.S. Senate seat in Texas since 1994.
Trump may be popular there, but Cruz is not. It just came down to the fact that Beto stood for most things that Texans don't want. If more people keep migrating from California that may change because of the cities like Austin and Houston going blue. Which is extremely unfortunate.
 

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While he is young, handsome, cool and can skateboard he's not black or female..
He needs to check all of those boxes of qualities that make for a great president...
 

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"He couldnt even beat Cruz"

Obama or Kennedy wouldnt beat Cruz in Texas either. Winning the presidency is easier than winning as a democratic senator in texas. Also him winning would have ensured he WOULDNT run in 2020 since he would have wanted his 6 year term.
Clinton couldn't beat Trump so I am skeptical of your point.
 

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Clinton couldn't beat Trump so I am skeptical of your point.
Clintons have a whole history of being demonized by republicans. Whether that demonization was warranted is for another thread, but the point is skeletons in the closet and baggage don't even begin to describe the Clintons.

With Beto all you have is a DUI that happened decades ago. And a DUI didn't seem to stop George W. Bush from winning twice.