Big win for Free Speech: UC Berkeley settles landmark free speech lawsuit for $70,000

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Hmmm..pretty much any crime. Do you think a black Brock Turner is walking away from a rape conviction because of a lenient judge overtaken with concern about how it'll impact his potential to lead a productive life?
Uh, Brock Turner was still convicted, sent to prison, and made to register as a sex offender (which prevents him from leading a "full life" after release). That has nothing to do with prosecution rate.

If you want to argue sentence length, that is a different story, but your anecdote does not support your argue.
 
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Liberal leaning sites will cherry pick facts, I take my figures from the DOJ's website as do most people who research these facts. That is neither here nor there, this is way off topic, pm me if you want to continue this argument.
 
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Liberal leaning sites will cherry pick facts, I take my figures from the DOJ's website as do most people who research these facts. That is neither here nor there, this is way off topic, pm me if you want to continue this argument.
Why do guys like you keep mentioning statistics culled from official government sources when those "liberal sites" have argued that the system - thus, those government sources - are part of the problem? You're not helping yourself. The argument, if you even bothered to ready the WP column, is that whites commit no less crime and are still not arrested - much less prosecuted - at the same rate. Are they lying?
 
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Legalizing marijuana and removing black fathers from prison for dumb drug charges would be the first step towards cutting down on unequal incarceration rates and lifting black families out of poverty.
I’m in favour of taking steps to undo the damage of the War on Poverty and War on Drugs but they were so devastating to black culture that it would take several generations to undo.
 
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I'm not sure that's true. Proud Boys like fighting. They'll show up wherever they think they might be able to reach the highest PB rank.
I admit I was not aware of them until the Proud Boys thread in the Politics forum, but I went and did my own research after that and also watched a video of Gavin McInnes explaining how he founded them as a trolly response to Antifa. Perhaps they have morphed into something else, but they were at least initially founded as a response to Antifa, particularly in places like Berkeley where actual security were being told to stand down.
 
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Hmmm..pretty much any crime. Do you think a black Brock Turner is walking away from a rape conviction because of a lenient judge overtaken with concern about how it'll impact his potential to lead a productive life?
The Brock Turner case was so egregiously misreported by the media. The reason he was not convicted of rape is because rape is defined in California as unwanted penetration with a penis. It had nothing to do with him being a white male and everything to do with the fact that he penetrated the victim with his fingers, not his penis. He was still convicted of sexual assault and was sentenced accordingly, but it was not rape as per the letter of the Californian law. In fact, the same law that enabled Brock Turner to get off lightly also prevents women from ever being convicted of rape because they don't have penises. If you have a problem with it, go and petition for the law to change, but don't present it as some kind of evidence of an oppressive white Patriarchy.
 
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...are you suggesting that Nazism is the only form of racism?
Neo Nazis, in their contemporary form, have about as much connection to the jackbooted stormtroopers of Hitler's regime as the confederate flag waving Trump voter has to the actual confederacy. At their core, they're white supremacists, believing that white people are superior to other races. A plurality of Jews have been subsumed in the Anglocentric culture of the dominant society, adopting its attitudes and behaving according to the tenets which guide that system, principally the belief in black inferiority. I see no difference between Ben Shapiro and Richard Spencer. They both are staunch advocates for white supremacy.
 
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Neo Nazis, in their contemporary form, have about as much connection to the jackbooted stormtroopers of Hitler's regime as the confederate flag waving Trump voter has to the actual confederacy. At their core, they're white supremacists, believing that white people are superior to other races. A plurality of Jews have been subsumed in the Anglocentric culture of the dominant society, adopting its attitudes and behaving according to the tenets which guide that system, principally the belief in black inferiority. I see no difference between Ben Shapiro and Richard Spencer. They both are staunch advocates for white supremacy.
You are losing your mind dude
If i use your hyperbole to make comparisons the stuff leftists are now doing is much MUCH closer to brownshirts than anyone else, like under threat of violence censoring the political opposition on universities, censoring political opposition in media/social media, censoring free speech with "hate speech" that is of course defined only by them or the new age racism of leftists dividing people up in groups based on skin color, history and minority or majority, again this is all brownshirt behavior and is done almost exclusively by leftists today.
But of course you dont see it because you are delusional and because you are part of it.
 
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Neo Nazis, in their contemporary form, have about as much connection to the jackbooted stormtroopers of Hitler's regime as the confederate flag waving Trump voter has to the actual confederacy. At their core, they're white supremacists, believing that white people are superior to other races. A plurality of Jews have been subsumed in the Anglocentric culture of the dominant society, adopting its attitudes and behaving according to the tenets which guide that system, principally the belief in black inferiority. I see no difference between Ben Shapiro and Richard Spencer. They both are staunch advocates for white supremacy.
I have no idea what you are trying to say with this word salad, but you sound unhinged. No difference between Shapiro and Spencer, good lord...
 
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Neo Nazis, in their contemporary form, have about as much connection to the jackbooted stormtroopers of Hitler's regime as the confederate flag waving Trump voter has to the actual confederacy. At their core, they're white supremacists, believing that white people are superior to other races. A plurality of Jews have been subsumed in the Anglocentric culture of the dominant society, adopting its attitudes and behaving according to the tenets which guide that system, principally the belief in black inferiority. I see no difference between Ben Shapiro and Richard Spencer. They both are staunch advocates for white supremacy.
This guy would be much happier over at REEE, honestly the white supremacist, woah is me bullshit is getting old, and you are still WAY off topic.
 
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Why do guys like you keep mentioning statistics culled from official government sources when those "liberal sites" have argued that the system - thus, those government sources - are part of the problem? You're not helping yourself. The argument, if you even bothered to ready the WP column, is that whites commit no less crime and are still not arrested - much less prosecuted - at the same rate. Are they lying?
I said PM me, I'm not arguing this further here.
 
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Probably hard to get billing addresses for Black Bloc and Proud Boys.
You could show your bias a little less. How about Antifa bro? At least admit they are a shitty group as well that supports violence against conservatives or those who wrong think but then again, it's you so..... In other news, HOORAY FOR FREE SPEECH BEING HELD UP!!!!! Thank God, a small victory against SJW's who want free speech banned.
 
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You could show your bias a little less. How about Antifa bro? At least admit they are a shitty group as well that supports violence against conservatives or those who wrong think but then again, it's you so..... In other news, HOORAY FOR FREE SPEECH BEING HELD UP!!!!! Thank God, a small victory against SJW's who want free speech banned.
Google black bloc, “bro.” You’re so angry and obsessed with me you tripped over your own dick.
 
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I haven't read through these articles yet, but something immediately jumps out to me as misleading. All of these favor using percentages as their evidence without showing actual numbers. That kind of thing leads to some funky math usually. In once case a while back, there was this article about how white people were 34% more likely to favor the death penalty after looking at pictures of black inmates. I forget the exact numbers, but if you look at the study, they only tested 40 people or so in two groups, and the difference between the control group and the test group was only about 4 people. Not only was their experiment complete bs, they used percentages to make the effect seem far more pronounced than it actually was. Never trust percentages if they don't give you the real numbers.

One thing I noticed is that it said that African American women were twice as likely to be incarcerated as white women in 2014 - but what it doesn't tell you is that the number used to be SEVEN times higher back in the 80s. That percentage has been on a free fall for decades (black women imprisonment dropped 47% since 2000, while white women imprisonment rose 56% in that same period). No doubt if they had 2018 numbers, the discrepancy would be even smaller. I could use the exact same numbers and convince you of a very different conclusion.

I'm also pretty wary of how they present the information, comparing only black inmates to white inmates, leaving out comparisons to hispanic inmates altogether (this seems relevant to the discussion, I think). Not only that, but there's a few places where they combine black and hispanic inmates together to produce a single number (where they say black and hispanics make up 35% of the population, but 56% of the prison population) which makes me think they aren't above conflating things when it is in their interest. Several other places, they compare different numbers altogether, such as the number of imprisoned people (2.2 million in 2015) and people in the correctional population (6.8 million in 2014, includes everyone on parole, probation).

There's also a lot of conflating things that are unrelated, like saying that despite the fact that black women made up on 6% of the female population in San Francisco, they make up 45.5% of the arrests. That fact alone does not indicate systemic racism because it doesn't control for other factors besides race. For instance, poverty seems to be a much stronger indication of criminality. It would be absurd to expect incarceration percentages to be proportional to race percentages because the races are not evenly distributed across the multitude of factors that could contribute to this fact. Without knowing what the expected incarceration rates are to compare it to, we can't say for sure whether 45.5% is aberrant. However, by stating these numbers devoid of context or controlling for other factors, it intentionally invites comparisons to racism without actually providing any actual evidence for it.

I'm not saying that there isn't systemic racism in the criminal justice system. There undoubtedly is. But the stuff you posted here raised a few red flags for me. I'm just saying that you have to be careful when it comes to statistics. It often times seems like they are saying something that they aren't. You just have to be careful. Be extremely wary of percentages. I forgot who said it (Mark Twain?) but there's lies, damn lies, and statistics.
 
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You are losing your mind dude
If i use your hyperbole to make comparisons the stuff leftists are now doing is much MUCH closer to brownshirts than anyone else, like under threat of violence censoring the political opposition on universities, censoring political opposition in media/social media, censoring free speech with "hate speech" that is of course defined only by them or the new age racism of leftists dividing people up in groups based on skin color, history and minority or majority, again this is all brownshirt behavior and is done almost exclusively by leftists today.
But of course you dont see it because you are delusional and because you are part of it.
Silencing people who trade in genocidal rhetoric isn't equivalent to a resurgence of "brown shirts." Richard Spencer, Milo, et. al. should not be allowed on college campuses to speak. Their speech shouldn't be protected. Their appearance is an incitement to join an ideological movement that pushes for a white ethnostate and state sponsored violence against non-whites.
 
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I think the term 'Nazism' is a fitting label for the brand of eugenicist bile Shapiro and other Jewish "intellectuals" on the right, like Sam Harris or Dave Rubin, trade in. They don't wear swatstikas and pal around with the likes of Richard Spencer (yet), but their affinity for the racial purification that Nazism embodied is clear when you listen to them and observe who they include within their circles.
I think your teachers need to teach you about the meaning, what nazis where, how National socialism was something in Europe way before Hitler etc.

You have no fucking idea....
 
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Neo Nazis, in their contemporary form, have about as much connection to the jackbooted stormtroopers of Hitler's regime as the confederate flag waving Trump voter has to the actual confederacy. At their core, they're white supremacists, believing that white people are superior to other races. A plurality of Jews have been subsumed in the Anglocentric culture of the dominant society, adopting its attitudes and behaving according to the tenets which guide that system, principally the belief in black inferiority. I see no difference between Ben Shapiro and Richard Spencer. They both are staunch advocates for white supremacy.
You're insane and need to get away from your computer and go live in the real world. No one here or anyone anywhere who deals in reality will take you seriously. Your argument boils down to, if you are white, you are the problem. Get this garbage attitude out of here.
 
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Google black bloc, “bro.” You’re so angry and obsessed with me you tripped over your own dick.
I note that, instead of answering the question, you dodged it and copy-pasted your tiresome narcissistic projection of dismissing people because they're 'angry and obsessed' with you.

Your show isn't pulling in remotely good enough ratings to justify the re-runs you keep putting out.
 
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I note that, instead of answering the question, you dodged it and copy-pasted your tiresome narcissistic projection of dismissing people because they're 'angry and obsessed' with you.

Your show isn't pulling in remotely good enough ratings to justify the re-runs you keep putting out.
Black bloc is antifa. Now go away, stalker.
 
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You're insane and need to get away from your computer and go live in the real world. No one here or anyone anywhere who deals in reality will take you seriously. Your argument boils down to, if you are white, you are the problem. Get this garbage attitude out of here.
I never said that, but thanks for misquoting me. I said Ben Shapiro is a white supremacist. But, hey, don't take my word for it. Go look at the articles about "black crime" he routinely wrote for Breitbart, a site that has been well established to be a source of white supremacist agitprop.
 
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Richard Spencer, Milo, et. al. should not be allowed on college campuses to speak. Their speech shouldn't be protected. Their appearance is an incitement to join an ideological movement that pushes for a white ethnostate and state sponsored violence against non-whites.
Wrong. You don't get to pick and choose what speech you want or do not want. I personally don't feel the messages spread by the Nation of Islam are akin to my own beliefs, but I would never suggest they don't have the right to speak or protest. If you don't like what somebody has to say, combat it with more speech. Not less.
 
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Black bloc is antifa. Now go away, stalker.
So your response to being called out for your projected narcissism is..
..more projected narcissism.

Also:
If you genuinely feel you are being stalked then, by all means, bring the matter to the moderators.
If you are simply throwing callous but serious accusations around because you think it's a good bit of snark then at least have an iota of decency not to cheapen a real issue.
 
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So your response to being called out for your projected narcissism is..
..more projected narcissism.

Also:
If you genuinely feel you are being stalked then, by all means, bring the matter to the moderators.
If you are simply throwing callous but serious accusations around because you think it's a good bit of snark then at least have an iota of decency not to cheapen a real issue.
Look, I swiped left ok. Take the hint.
 
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Look, I swiped left ok. Take the hint.
Ho hum.
Yeah, you've used that material before too.
You're still projecting that narcissism though.

This, of course, is the classic "I don't like what you're saying, but I won't address it properly, so I'll just childishly demonise you instead".
 
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Ho hum.
Yeah, you've used that material before too.
You're still projecting that narcissism though.

This, of course, is the classic "I don't like what you're saying, but I won't address it properly, so I'll just childishly demonise you instead".
See, I like to discuss the topics of threads. You, apparently, like to talk about how much you don't like me. See the difference? Unfortunately for you, I don't give a shit about you, but it's annoying when I see an alert and instead of someone with something interesting to say, it's you yet again failing to be clever on the internet about me.

Just create a thread where you and whatever little buddies you can muster can gossip about me all you want.
 
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Wrong. You don't get to pick and choose what speech you want or do not want. I personally don't feel the messages spread by the Nation of Islam are akin to my own beliefs, but I would never suggest they don't have the right to speak or protest. If you don't like what somebody has to say, combat it with more speech. Not less.
Nation of Islam encourages black empowerment and self-policing. They aren't actively calling for the deaths of white people and marching through college campuses, screaming "YOU WILL NOT REPLACE US!!!" So, your drawing a false equivalency between the NOI and actual Neo Nazis like Chris Cantwell and Richard Spencer, who openly calls for the extermination of anyone who isn't white.
 
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Nation of Islam encourages black empowerment and self-policing. They aren't actively calling for the deaths of white people and marching through college campuses, screaming "YOU WILL NOT REPLACE US!!!" So, your drawing a false equivalency between the NOI and actual Neo Nazis like Chris Cantwell and Richard Spencer, who openly calls for the extermination of anyone who isn't white.
And you say i am misquoting you? You are literally defending one of the worst hate groups in the United States in the Nation of Islam, my criticism of you was spot on .
 
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See, I like to discuss the topics of threads. You, apparently, like to talk about how much you don't like me. See the difference?
No. What I see is you using snark and fallacies to enforce your views and dismiss others. When you are called out for the repeated use of this, and the repeated bland phrases, I see you handling criticism exceptionally poorly and attempting to paint yourself a victim whilst demonising others and acting that snark and rudeness amounts to credible discussion.

Your misrepresentation of this exchange (and many others) demonstrates exceptional closed-mindedness and a degree of self-infatuation that I find alien.

Unfortunately for you, I don't give a shit about you,
Yes. Your numerous quotes and replies demonstrate your overwhelming indifference.
..but it's annoying when I see an alert and instead of someone with something interesting to say, it's you yet again failing to be clever on the internet about me.
Oh, the irony.
Just create a thread where you and whatever little buddies you can muster can gossip about me all you want.
You wear your intolerance and closed-mindedness like a badge of honour.

And, of course, you still can't resist projecting more of your narcissim onto others.
Because, lord knows, when the same schtick fails you over and over and over again, the smart move is to keep using it.

I look forward to you getting some newer, fresher material.
 
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And you say i am misquoting you? You are literally defending one of the worst hate groups in the United States in the Nation of Islam, my criticism of you was spot on .
A group that promotes self-reliance, group economics, education, nutritious diets, and nuclear families is a hate group? They don't call for the deaths of any race, don't promote an ethnostate, and have never had a single member within their ranks - from the moment of the group's inception - convicted of murdering a white person. Can't say the same for the KKK or Aryan Nation or Stormfront or...
 
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A group that promotes self-reliance, group economics, education, nutritious diets, and nuclear families is a hate group? They don't call for the deaths of any race, don't promote an ethnostate, and have never had a single member within their ranks - from the moment of the group's inception - convicted of murdering a white person. Can't say the same for the KKK or Aryan Nation or Stormfront or...
How convenient of you to ignore their anti-semitic and blatant racism against white people and jews.
 
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I had to take Dude Abides off ignore. I was starting to get worried because most of the members of this board seemed like they were going crazy arguing benign semantics with the void until I realized who they were arguing with.

How long is your ban at Reset Era DeForest? Seems like the second one in a short period of time. You better watch out, you have a history of infractions now and we will be stuck with you :p