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[DaMan121]

This is a pretty big problem within the AA community right now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Hair

 

[Dreams-Visions]

This is a pretty big problem within the AA community right now.

The gravitational pull of CULTURE is strong. It's influence permeates everything and people don't even notice.

See: skin bleaching in America, India, China, Brazil, Trinidad, and Dominican Republic. They're not doing it because there's something wrong with their skin. In fact, they have an advantage and are less likely than our pale brothers and sisters to develop skin cancer. So why are people reaching for the skin bleaching cream? Their cultures, for slightly varying reasons, subtly and not so subtly tell them that they are inferior because of their complexion. It starts young and its impact is immeasurable.

But it's nothing new for black Americans. We've been dealing with fried hair and skin bleaching cream in our community for about 100 years.

It's still not uncommon for me to hear about a 6 or 7 year old black girl crying because she's darker than the other kids and not pretty like her barbie dolls.

MANDATORY READING on this bozo:

oh my..

 

[Rahxephon91]

lol how in the hell do they look boyish (i HATE boyish women)

and their bodies are pretty impressive, fat ass and big tits arent the only things that make a womans body stand out

They look boyish because they look very young.

And it's not all about big tits or big assess. They don't seem to have well defined thighs or hips. They don't seem to have any breast, a c or even b cup would be nice. They just seem to be skinny Korean girls that are presented well. If they were on the street without makeup I wouldn't turn my head. Hell even their legs aren't that great. They could use some meat.

They obviously aren't ugly and are nice to look at. But they aren't girls I would want to sleep with.

 

[Vic]

Black is a much more general term than White, European...As others have said African-Americans are largely mixed in some proportion, and pictures of Africans aren't really a fair comparison given that many parts of the continent are of a malnutritioned, third world variety.

I don't get this.

 

[Jarmel]

It's still not uncommon for me to hear about a 6 or 7 year old black girl crying because she's darker than the other kids and not pretty like her barbie dolls.

Actually funny story about that. I have a cousin who got a black barbie doll for Christmas and threw a fit because it wasn't white and she wanted a white barbie doll. The family still talks about it a decade later.

 

[RustyNails]

can you really watch this video and not find any of those girls remotely attractive

Despite the cheesy j-pop/ k-pop, those girls are pretty attractive. I don't what you're looking for in this video, but if you mute the damn thing, they're very cute and really good looking girls.

 

[Devolution]

MANDATORY READING on this bozo:

He's an assclown alright.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...rn-feminism-is-illogical-unnecessary-and-evil

for example, the fact that women make less money than men cannot by itself be evidence that women are worse off than men, any more than the fact that men own fewer pairs of shoes than women cannot be evidence that men are worse off than women

Ugh.

 

[HiResDes]

I don't get this.

There are less african celebrities and supermodels than there are Europeans ones, and there are larger socio-economic factors to this than the mere superiority of appearances.

 

[Lebron]

can you really watch this video and not find any of those girls remotely attractive

Nope. They all act like they're mentally retarded. It boggles my mind that some dudes get off on that, but whatever floats their boat I guess.

 

[SapientWolf]

There's some evidence that men are genetically predisposed to prefer lighter, high contrast faces in women, which look more feminine.

In his foreword to Fair Women, Dark Men, U. of Washington sociologist Pierre L. van den Berghe, author of one of my favorite books, The Ethnic Phenomenon, summarizes:

"Although virtually all cultures express a marked preference for fair female skin, even those with little or no exposure to European imperialism, and even those whose members are heavily pigmented, many are indifferent to male pigmentation or even prefer men to be darker."

Frost reports that out of 51 different cultures in the anthropology profession's famous Human Relations Area Files, 44 cultures favored lighter complexions on either only women (30) or on both sexes (14). In only 3 cultures was fair skin preferred on men only, and in just 4 cultures was darker skin desired.

http://vdare.com/sailer/050612_blondes.htm

Same faces with different contrast:

http://gajitz.com/holy-androgony-gender-illusion-contrast-attractiveness/

 

[royalan]

That's one way to look at it. The other way to look at it is that curly, thick hair is difficult to manage and straightening it makes it easier to manage and style it.

If posting pictures in this thread wasn't banable, I'd post one of myself to prove that i'm living by example. I've been known to rock the Huey on more than one occasion. lol

I agree, if you know what you're doing straightened hair is a lot easier to manage. However, that's if you know what you're doing. A lot of black girls don't, and the result is most black girls I see on the street in Philly have over-processed, dried out, frayed-edge hair.

Some girls can afford (or have the patience) to go to a stylist every two weeks to maintain straightened hair. Other girls are skilled enough or close to someone skilled enough to do it themselves. And I suppose this is fine. Black hair is very versatile.

But there are a lot of girls who can't, and it's those girls who I wish would have the courage to just wash their hair, pick it out, throw some pink lotion in it and be themselves. Instead of leaving the house with hair that looked like kindling.

 

[HiResDes]

Since I can't post any more pictures I'd just suggest googling Megan Vaughn if you are over 18, and then reporting back to me with your findings.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Actually funny story about that. I have a cousin who got a black barbie doll for Christmas and threw a fit because it wasn't white and she wanted a white barbie doll. The family still talks about it a decade later.

damn. one of my best friends has a chocolate brown daughter. brilliant kid (skipped the 3rd and 5th grades), but I'll never forget her telling me about one day when she came from from 2nd grade crying because she was black and her hair not as pretty.

Where does a 7 year-old get this kind of thinking? Her mother certainly never suggested she was anything other than brilliant and beautiful. But damn that culture: the TV she watched, books she read (which describe the characters in specific, Euro-centric ways), the magazines she looked at, the shows her mother watched, the kids on the cereal boxes. And just as significant, the way the other kids that surrounded her were raised to see beauty. So many invisible cultural forces impacting the psyche of a person (child or adult)...often without even saying a word.

I think she's gotten over that phase now, but the shit broke my heart like no other.

 

[lightless_shado]

An opinion of mine was recently validated in a similar conversation I was having with a group of friends.

I've always believed that a person comes closer to beauty when they embrace their natural features and do things to compliment them, instead of cover them up. Hair is a good example. A white friend of mine recently confessed to me that he prefers black girls who don't wear weaves, and in fact went on to say that he loved black girls with natural hairstyles, but didn't like black girls with dyed hair and weaves because, in his words, "something about it just doesn't look right."

I've always felt the same way, which is funny because my mother is a hairstylist, and makes a lot of money doing weaves (she charges 300+ for one). I don't think there's a problem with having fun with a look and trying things out like weaves and straightening your hair. But there's a difference between going to a professional and getting a weave of Beyonce caliber while acknowledging the costume of it all, and doing these things because you feel you're ugly without it.

This friend went on to point out that a lot of black girls on campus had this problem, and I had to agree with him. So many black girls, in lieu of going to a salon, will over-chemical and burn their hair to the point of it looking like straw, because they feel their natural appearance is ugly. And it really makes me sad, because I feel the same girl could rock her natural kinky/curly fro and be 10 times more beautiful.

Rock the Beyonce look if you can afford it. But I wish so many black girls would be less ashamed of their natural hair, which can be vibrant and unique and beautiful.

Its a shame considering just how many interesting styles that black women have come up with to do their hair in.

and you know what's depressing? putting "black hairstyle" into google will give you results of black women with straightened hair.

 

[Cyan]

MANDATORY READING on this bozo:

That whole article was mind-boggling, but this bit was particularly incredible:

During the 2008 primary, Kanazawa proposed his own candidate:

Here's a little thought experiment. Imagine that, on September 11, 2001, when the Twin Towers came down, the President of the United States was not George W. Bush, but Ann Coulter. What would have happened then? On September 12, President Coulter would have ordered the US military forces to drop 35 nuclear bombs throughout the Middle East, killing all of our actual and potential enemy combatants, and their wives and children. On September 13, the war would have been over and won, without a single American life lost.

Yes, we need a woman in the White House, but not the one who's running.

 

[Funtruck]

They look boyish because they look very young.

And it's not all about big tits or big assess. They don't seem to have well defined thighs or hips. They don't seem to have any breast, a c or even b cup would be nice. They just seem to be skinny Korean girls that are presented well. If they were on the street without makeup I wouldn't turn my head. Hell even their legs aren't that great. They could use some meat.

"they could use some meat" lol okay

those girls are more attractive to me than any of the girls posted in this thread

Despite the cheesy j-pop/ k-pop, those girls are pretty attractive. I don't what you're looking for in this video, but if you mute the damn thing, they're very cute and really good looking girls.

yup

 

[Tristam]

Nope. They all act like they're mentally retarded. It boggles my mind that some dudes get off on that, but whatever floats their boat I guess.

I dislike the video and song, but some of the girls in that group are extremely attractive. (Since images aren't allowed here: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oHNNC_HO4gE/S-NspzbkAFI/AAAAAAAANBo/Fi9_cwF4o4E/s1600/yuri.jpg). I'm only posting because I dislike the "lulz azn girls are flat ugly boyish creatures" just as much as I dislike "lulz black women are all fat-assed manly looking creatures." Both stereotypes are untrue and annoying.

That whole article was mind-boggling, but this bit was particularly incredible:

Yeah, that was probably the worst. Dropping 35 nukes over a region would apparently have no geopolitical consequences.

There's some evidence that men are genetically predisposed to prefer lighter, high contrast faces in women, which look more feminine.



http://vdare.com/sailer/050612_blondes.htm

Same faces with different contrast:

http://gajitz.com/holy-androgony-gender-illusion-contrast-attractiveness/

Is applying a full contrast a fair comparison to illustrate how lightness of skin is related to more androgynous features? The full contrast also lightens his eyebrows, which may not be at all related to skin color but could still be related to physical attractiveness. EDIT: And, significantly, it DARKENS the lips.

 

[Rahxephon91]

"they could use some meat" lol okay

those girls are more attractive to me than any of the girls posted in this thread


yup

I'm not sure whats wrong with that statement. People seem to think that "have some meat" mean they need to be fat. No. Gwen Stefani has great legs, with pretty great thighs. She's not fat.

 

[Funtruck]

I'm not sure whats wrong with that statement. People seem to think that "have some meat" mean they need to be fat. No. Gwen Stefani has great legs, with pretty great thighs. She's not fat.

i understand what you're talking about and i love women like that; but those snsd chicks have plenty enough "meat" on them

 

[Dreams-Visions]

There's some evidence that men are genetically predisposed to prefer lighter, high contrast faces in women, which look more feminine.



http://vdare.com/sailer/050612_blondes.htm

Same faces with different contrast:

http://gajitz.com/holy-androgony-gender-illusion-contrast-attractiveness/

really needs more study and more clarification.

In many cultures, dark skin is associated with poverty. Not because "dark isn't attractive" so much as the fact that darker skin came as a consequence of people working in the fields. Farmers (typically the lowest on the wealth totem pole) inherently become darker than their sheltered counterparts. Nobody wants a poor husband/wife by preference, so the dark shade/complexion simply became a convenient way to figure out who was poor and who probably wasn't. Thus the association with dark skin and poverty is made...and it got ingrained from there.

I wonder how many cultures this phenomena represents.

Its a shame considering just how many interesting styles that black women have come up with to do their hair in.

This is the kind of look my dream woman is rocking right now and waiting for me to meet her.

and why is she so hot. I'll take 2, please.

 

[Tristam]

really needs more study and more clarification.

In many cultures, dark skin is associated with poverty. Not because "dark isn't attractive" so much as the fact that darker skin came as a consequence of people working in the fields. Farmers (typically the lowest on the wealth totem pole) inherently become darker than their sheltered counterparts. Nobody wants a poor husband/wife by preference, so the dark shade/complexion simply became a convenient way to figure out who was poor and who probably wasn't. Thus the association with dark skin and poverty is made...and it got ingrained from there.

I wonder how many cultures this phenomena represents.

And this is very true too.

 

[agrajag]

Hmm, lately, my preference has been for attractive black women more than any other races.

 

[smurfx]

i usually go for latinas and white girls but i would not turn down a cute black girl. you guys ever see that one mag called show? lots of hot chicks in that mag.

 

[Lebron]

Its a shame considering just how many interesting styles that black women have come up with to do their hair in.
.

The nappy afro look gets me every time.

 

[lightless_shado]

"they could use some meat" lol okay

those girls are more attractive to me than any of the girls posted in this thread

I just don't understand why you insist on telling everyone how unattractive you find black girls. I mean you've already mentioned it more than once, but its almost as if you're trying to convince those of us that do find them attractive that we're not supposed to.

Farmers (typically the lowest on the wealth totem pole) inherently become darker than their sheltered counterparts.
I wonder how many cultures this phenomena represents.

I doubt that its prevalent among many cultures especially considering that farmers are the backbone of every society.

 

[Dacon]

My god. This thread.

What has man wrought.

 

[MilesWebber]

that explains why im not really attracted to black chicks

me too. oh wait.

 

[neptunes]

Or how some peope see pale skin is also unattractive. From ghastly to vampirish. Other than north Americans Is there any other country where tanning is a normal practice?

 

[RustyNails]

My take on the whole oh noes African American women doing the weave thing and rejecting their natural hair is that it's fine to aspire to look the way you want to look. Whatever gets you through the day, you know. Of course, shit's expensive and requires lot of care so if you got the dough, then there's really no problem. Watching Good Hair was eye opening for lot of reasons though. But "rejecting" your natural hair form isn't one of it. Us dudes gel our hair and spike it too because that's supposed to be "good hair" too. I don't see the issue. For me specifically, I have to apply gel and keep my hair usually short because it's thick and very voluminous. I'm never going bald, but the price of that is higher than normal hair maintenance with all sorts of hair products.

 

[JABEE]

Based on this thread and in general we can establish that women of all races and ethnicity are attractive, but what most poster aren't doing is comparing the attractiveness of Latina, Asian, African American, and Caucasian models. That would make more sense. This "scientific study" does appear to have biases though. I am able to find all races and ethnicity of women attractive.I base attractiveness on physical traits and attitude than on skin color.

 

[Rahxephon91]

I base attractiveness on physical traits and attitude than on skin color.

Is it racist to find a particular skin color more attractive?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Based on this thread and in general we can establish that women of all races and ethnicity are attractive, but what most poster aren't doing is comparing the attractiveness of Latina, Asian, African American, and Caucasian models.

No need for comparison. The point is women are beautiful. You'll have ugly ones and you'll have pretty ones no matter where you are on Earth. They may attract you and they may not. You may not like dark chocolate...and you may not like ghosts. But someone does.

Is it racist to find a particular skin color more attractive?

of course not.

 

[Vic]

Is it racist to find a particular skin color more attractive?

Nope. Personally, I have a hidden weakness for very dark skinned girls <3

 

[Funtruck]

I just don't understand why you insist on telling everyone how unattractive you find black girls. I mean you've already mentioned it more than once, but its almost as if you're trying to convince those of us that do find them attractive that we're not supposed to.

im just really perplexed by my inability to find black women attractive.

it really fucked me over in my black-majority elementary/middle school, people thought i was gay/racist; and it led to the black side of my family pretty much disowning me because i always brought latinas ("white") to family gatherings during my high school years

 

[Devolution]

My take on the whole oh noes African American women doing the weave thing and rejecting their natural hair is that it's fine to aspire to look the way you want to look. Whatever gets you through the day, you know. Of course, shit's expensive and requires lot of care so if you got the dough, then there's really no problem. Watching Good Hair was eye opening for lot of reasons though. But "rejecting" your natural hair form isn't one of it. Us dudes gel our hair and spike it too because that's supposed to be "good hair" too. I don't see the issue. For me specifically, I have to apply gel and keep my hair usually short because it's thick and very voluminous. I'm never going bald, but the price of that is higher than normal hair maintenance with all sorts of hair products.

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlreading/kinky-hair-type-4a/a-look-back-at-the-black-hair-story

1700s: Calling black hair “wool,” many whites dehumanize slaves. The more elaborate African hairstyles cannot be retained.

1800s: Without the combs and herbal treatments used in Africa, slaves rely on bacon grease, butter and kerosene as hair conditioners and cleaners. Lighter-skinned, straight-haired slaves command higher prices at auction than darker, more kinky-haired ones. Internalizing color consciousness, blacks promote the idea that blacks with dark skin and kinky hair are less attractive and worth less.

1865: Slavery ends, but whites look upon black women who style their hair like white women as well-adjusted. “Good” hair becomes a prerequisite for entering certain schools, churches, social groups and business networks.

1880: Metal hot combs, invented in 1845 by the French, are readily available in the United States. The comb is heated and used to press and temporarily straighten kinky hair.

1900s: Madame C.J. Walker develops a range of hair-care products for black hair. She popularizes the press-and-curl style. Some criticize her for encouraging black women to look white.

1910: Walker is featured in the Guinness Book of Records as the first American female self-made millionaire.

1920s: Marcus Garvey, a black nationalist, urges followers to embrace their natural hair and reclaim an African aesthetic.

1954: George E. Johnson launches the Johnson Products Empire with Ultra Wave Hair Culture, a “permanent” hair straightener for men that can be applied at home. A women’s chemical straightener follows.

2003: New Bedford, Mass. Dance teacher Amy Fernandes’ refuses to allow 4-year-old Amari Diaw to participate in her ballet dance recital along with the other children in her class who have been practicing for the exciting event because she requires the girls to pull back their hair into a bun. Amari’s mom put Amari’s very curly hair into cornrows and pulled it back into a bun. Fernandes, however, insisted that the braids be removed and that Amari’s hair be pulled back straight into a bun.

2006: Baltimore Police Department’s new, more rigid professional appearance standards prohibit such hairstyles as cornrows, dreadlocks and twists. These natural hairstyles are deemed to be “extreme” and a “fad” by the department.

 

[mr2xxx]

 

[Vic]

Aw shit, it's on now!

 

[SapientWolf]

really needs more study and more clarification.

In many cultures, dark skin is associated with poverty. Not because "dark isn't attractive" so much as the fact that darker skin came as a consequence of people working in the fields. Farmers (typically the lowest on the wealth totem pole) inherently become darker than their sheltered counterparts. Nobody wants a poor husband/wife by preference, so the dark shade/complexion simply became a convenient way to figure out who was poor and who probably wasn't. Thus the association with dark skin and poverty is made...and it got ingrained from there.

I wonder how many cultures this phenomena represents.

From the same article:

Could it all just be social class prejudice? Traditionally, wealthier women who didn't have to work outdoors could avoid tanning more than poor women who had to slop the hogs. That plays a definite role in maintaining the bias, but the cultural fondness for fairer women is even found among hunter-gatherer tribes where all women have to be outdoors every day finding food.

http://vdare.com/sailer/050612_blondes.htm

 

[G-Fex]

can you really watch this video and not find any of those girls remotely attractive

They're kinda cute and all and they're fine young women but I don't like them, I can't find myself attracted to them, No real feeling of crushing on them. I guess it's also cause I don't like asian girls in general like I used to.

Lol i'm surprised they didn't move the SNSD thread into the community forum like the awful Pony thread.

 

[JABEE]

No need for comparison. The point is women are beautiful. You'll have ugly ones and you'll have pretty ones no matter where you are on Earth. They may attract you and they may not. You may not like dark chocolate...and you may not like ghosts. But someone does.

This is the correct answer.

 

[Dacon]

Is it racist to find a particular skin color more attractive?

Nope,but sometimes I feel it is bit racist to constantly state how black women are objectively unattractive and dispute other people's right to find them attractive. As if they absolute CAN'T be attractive and how people must kowtow to this ridiculous standard(note I am not singling anyone out, in fact I've barely read the thread).

Personally I can't see myself being attractive to any one specific kind of woman. I love ALL women. Black, white, asian, big boobs, small boobs, fat booties, small but shapely booties, they all have something nice to offer.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

im just really perplexed by my inability to find black women attractive.

It's really okay man. Why are you stressing yourself about it? As long as you can objectively appreciate beauty, there's no requirement to be attracted. Though it is interesting that you can make such a determination by pictures or unilaterally.

For me personality is the final determination. Maybe you need to meet some mentally-stimulating black women (or whatever type of personality you're attracted to).

for me?

when I saw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNw46j0nNOs

Esperanza's eyes in this video and felt her vibe during that interview...I was in love. HNGGG. But that attracts me, you know? Whatever skin color the woman of my dreams shows up in...as long as she has a winning personality, I'm all set.

just when the roller coaster was slowing...it picks up speed again!

why we STILL got bleaching cream?

 

[Tristam]

Nope,but sometimes I feel it is bit racist to constantly state how black women are objectively unattractive and dispute other people's right to find them attractive. As if they absolute CAN'T be attractive and how people must kowtow to this ridiculous standard(note I am not singling anyone out, in fact I've barely read the thread).

Personally I can't see myself being attractive to any one specific kind of woman. I love ALL women. Black, white, asian, big boobs, small boobs, fat booties, small but shapely booties, they all have something nice to offer.

:brofist:

 

[alekth]

Testosterone is kind of the opposite to fat going to the butt and boobs.

This study seems pretty lame and isn't actually giving out any information on who was rating and what the distribution of opinions was like. Though especially if both sexes were also rating both sexes, it might very well be that at least white women rated black women lower than vice versa, and that alone would tip the scales.

 

[lightless_shado]

im just really perplexed by my inability to find black women attractive.

it really fucked me over in my black-majority elementary/middle school, people thought i was gay/racist; and it led to the black side of my family pretty much disowning me because i always brought latinas ("white") to family gatherings during my high school years

Its possible that for you, black people represent something very familiar while non-blacks are something exotic and different. Much like how we have some white girls who freak whenever they see a black guy.

I would say I was pretty similar to you when I was younger until I moved to a very white city. For me I'm no longer more attracted to non-blacks than I am to blacks. You say you want to understand, but some of your posts in this thread are just coming off as mocking/hurtful.

 

[Death Dealer]

can you really watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mPqycQ0tQ video and not find any of those girls remotely attractive

Some definite babes there. I'm attracted to black and asian women, but I think I am a tougher critic. They have to be really fine for me to take notice. But I can be interested in white or hispanic women that might only be a 7/10, if there was something else I liked about her. Prejudiced, I know.

 

[Parallax]

just when the roller coaster was slowing...it picks up speed again!

why we STILL got bleaching cream?

sammy sosa disturbs me. he looks terrifying

 

[Dreams-Visions]

sammy sosa disturbs me. he looks terrifying

His skin and permed hair make me sad every time I see that picture. He was a beautiful, nappy-headed brotha.

I'm just glad he's no longer in the spotlight. I'd love to hear a psychologist talk to him about why he did it. What is it about his black skin that caused so much self-hatred, despite the adoration from the public and his fellow Dominicans. He was (and still is in the DR) a loved man. Capable of taking home any woman he wanted.

Yet here we are with him. Culture is truly more powerful than nuclear weapons.

 

[neptunes]

Bleaching creams exist to aid hyperpigmentaion and uneven skin-tones. Using it to change your entire complextion to a whole 3 shades lighter is weird.

 

[lightless_shado]

His skin and permed hair make me sad every time I see that picture. He was a beautiful, nappy-headed brotha.

I'm just glad he's no longer in the spotlight. I'd love to hear a psychologist talk to him about why he did it. What is it about his black skin that caused so much self-hatred, despite the adoration from the public and his fellow Dominicans. He was (and still is in the DR) a loved man. Capable of taking home any woman he wanted.

Yet here we are with him. Culture is truly more powerful than nuclear weapons.

I'm sure you've already watched black in latin america. You should know why he did it