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Blade Runner 2049 |OT| Do Androids Dream of Electric Boogaloo? [Unmarked Spoilers]
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Luv could have come across as cliched or one-note but I think she did an excellent job yeah.
Curious Puppy
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She was amazing and I wish she got more screen time.
Curious Puppy
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Interview with Hampton Fancher, restates that he personally thinks Deckard is human and that he didn't like Scott's changes with the original ending: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1ibTaoVU4g
Turbo Killer
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She was excellent, I felt profound sadness at her death scene. Tragic character.
True Savior
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This is false though. A version of the script had the unicorn and he filmed it. If it wasn't there in the original theater run was cause Ridley had very little power.
Adry9
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I though they were just some stripes.
AuthenticM
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Has an OT for a movie ever been this big?
Atraveller
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This is a OT/Spoiler thread two-in-one. And I'm pretty sure Star Wars and other comic book movies had bigger spoiler threads.
I'm sure there are others, but I remember the Mad Max: Fury Road OT having a large number of replies and after finding it again, it seems I'm right. 8562 posts.
I actually agree with this so much, I've had basically the exact same thoughts in the past few days, particularly yesterday. On my first viewing I really liked the Casino section, but the second time I watched it it just felt jarring, it feels like a block from something entirely different and separate. The fight in front of the Elvis hologram isn't as detailed as I thought nor is it necessary. I still think K and Deckard sitting at the bar was good but that bit before and the bit with the resistance just felt so out of place. I didn't hate Leto but at the same time reading an article about Villeneuve wanting Bowie for the role made me imagine wildly what an incredible thing that could have been and how different Wallace could have been. That whole scene with him and Deckard really didn't go anywhere. A friend asked me what I meant when I felt like 10-20 mins could be cut and it might be perfect, and I realised that this part in particular is what I meant. I think having the audio flashback to Rachel followed by the "new" Rachel didn't work very well.
Still adore the movie but on my second viewing this was the part that I realised that was out of place, and not parts of the first half of the movie like I had previously thought.
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/blade-runner-2049-behind-the-scenes
It's an article on Territory Studios.
It's an article on Territory Studios.
So after stewing on it since last night, my two nitpicks:
1) I would have liked more street-level scenes in LA. One of my favorite things about Blade Runner is the overcrowded cyberpunk city template that it created (at least visually) and that looked amazing again in 2049, but I would have loved to see even more of it. And not just scenes to move the plot forward, but moments similar to stuff in the first one like Deckard at the noodle bar and arguing with the owner, buying that bottle after he shoots Zhora, the cop pulling up and asking Deckard for identification when he's waiting in his spinner outside the Bradbury. Just more of that stuff.
This is definitely a nitpick though because at the same time, I can see why there wasn't more of that. This is already approaching 3 hours and has so many more locations and a more epic story than the original - Villeneuve had a lot of ground to cover and has already stuffed this thing pretty full.
2) The soundtrack was distracting and over the top in a few scenes and overall it was incredibly disappointing compared to the original Vangelis score. Admittedly I'm a bit biased because I'm such a huge fan of the Vangelis score and have listened to it a ton just on its own, but the score for 2049 really wasn't a worthy successor imo. The worst offender was that track with what sounded like motorcycles revving their engines...I really hated that. And there were a few other pieces that were just overbearing. Like I was watching The Dark Knight 2 or something.
It wasn't all bad, though. There were some great tracks and I thought Zimmer really helped enhance the tension of some of the scenes.
1) I would have liked more street-level scenes in LA. One of my favorite things about Blade Runner is the overcrowded cyberpunk city template that it created (at least visually) and that looked amazing again in 2049, but I would have loved to see even more of it. And not just scenes to move the plot forward, but moments similar to stuff in the first one like Deckard at the noodle bar and arguing with the owner, buying that bottle after he shoots Zhora, the cop pulling up and asking Deckard for identification when he's waiting in his spinner outside the Bradbury. Just more of that stuff.
This is definitely a nitpick though because at the same time, I can see why there wasn't more of that. This is already approaching 3 hours and has so many more locations and a more epic story than the original - Villeneuve had a lot of ground to cover and has already stuffed this thing pretty full.
2) The soundtrack was distracting and over the top in a few scenes and overall it was incredibly disappointing compared to the original Vangelis score. Admittedly I'm a bit biased because I'm such a huge fan of the Vangelis score and have listened to it a ton just on its own, but the score for 2049 really wasn't a worthy successor imo. The worst offender was that track with what sounded like motorcycles revving their engines...I really hated that. And there were a few other pieces that were just overbearing. Like I was watching The Dark Knight 2 or something.
It wasn't all bad, though. There were some great tracks and I thought Zimmer really helped enhance the tension of some of the scenes.
Ignatz Mouse
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BROMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!
My only real complaint with the movie. Didn't help that the deep bass would cause the projector to vibrate and blur the screen at those moments.
The Force Awakens had like 3 fucking OT threads at least at 300+ pages each
Holy shit lol. My theater didn't do that luckily, but yeah there was too much of that in a few of the tracks. I felt like I was being beaten over the head by that motorcycle revving noise.
That was the biggest one I've personally seen. By a metric ton.
I have NEVER seen 3 OTs for a film. I was stunned. There may have even been 4, I don't remember.
That thread legitimately traveled at lightspeed. I would refresh and there would be 2 new pages.
WOW.. this thing really moves!
Just a few minutes ago, I've read an article about the movie, written by an independent blogger. I'll try to translate and post some of his thought here because they bring up some interesting interpretations about key scenes in the movie, especially about the Joi hologram one.
Wallace said :"Pain reminds you the joy you felt was real." - I wonder if this has something to do with what Freysa's said (about dying for a good cause is the most human thing to do) are actually about Joi, and K remembers that Joi sacrificed herself to protect him. This is what he's thinking when seeing the Joi hologram. (My original interpretation was that seeing the giant Joi made him ralize how his life is a complete lie.)
This isn't a word-to-word translation of the said article, but is what I took away from it for myself.
EDIT: Jesus my mind is completely overrun with thoughts...I can't stop
Wallace said :"Pain reminds you the joy you felt was real." - I wonder if this has something to do with what Freysa's said (about dying for a good cause is the most human thing to do) are actually about Joi, and K remembers that Joi sacrificed herself to protect him. This is what he's thinking when seeing the Joi hologram. (My original interpretation was that seeing the giant Joi made him ralize how his life is a complete lie.)
This isn't a word-to-word translation of the said article, but is what I took away from it for myself.
EDIT: Jesus my mind is completely overrun with thoughts...I can't stop
Wallace was speaking to Deckard, but yeah the parallels to K are definitely intentional.
I love how K is just quiet throughout all of these scenes. It's up to you to interpret what he's thinking and deciding. Because the movie is so balanced in its ambiguity, what you choose to see also says something about you.
Mikado
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Kadayi
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Because?
Agreed. Her desperate need for validation from Wallace was her undoing. Firstly when she left Vegas assuming K was done for eager to bring back her prize and secondly when she assumed she'd defeated him at the seawall. Whatever model variation K is, he's clearly one that can take a beating, as evidenced by his tussle with Sapper at the film's opening. They cast Dave Bautista because you'd naturally assume he'd physically have the upper hand, but that wasn't the case.
For all Fancher's discontent, the reality is he left the project and David Webb Peoples rewrote the script (Fancher was brought back to do some dialogue adjustments late on), so it wasn't really his baby anymore, and Peoples went with Deckard being a Replicant and so did Scott. In the world of TV, the scriptwriter is king, in the world of cinema it's the director.
Ignatz Mouse
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Speaking for myself, it's not that she was bad, but not compelling in any substantial way. K's internal conflict, the mystery, and social commentary, were all more interesting.
She's better than a 2D antagonist, but she's not really a core of the movie.
Kadayi
Banned
She's not meant to be, she is an agent of the antagonist, but the antagonist is far bigger than her, and her failure is not its downfall. It's more than Wallace, more than Yoshi. It's the very state of slavery, and all that entails in terms of cost.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Right, which is why she's the weakest part of the movie.
Kadayi
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Who the fuck are you hoping to convince with that line of reasoning? Did you really want the replicant version of Matrix Revolutions? That's not what this film was about and certainly wouldn't have been in keeping with the spirit of the original.
Ignatz Mouse
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Cool down. You see up there where I said she wasn't bad, just a weaker part of the movie (to be fair, Wallace is a much weaker part of the movie). I *loved* this movie. Luv is a pretty ho-hum part of it. She's set up as somewhat interesting at first, with the crying while watching the newborn being gutted, and going rogue and killing Joshi-- but ends up just being an angry boogeyman at the end. It was a little disappointing since there was potential in her earlier scenes.
I hope this isn't one of those arguments where if I love a movie, but don't love it *exactly the way you do* it turns into some argument. You don't have to agree with me. I don't care. You asked (for another person) and I answered. Now it looks like you only asked so that you could argue.
tonysidaway
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That number is curious, as those in the Reddit thread have remarked, because Joe himself probably wouldn't be a Nexus 7 because he's obviously far too young to be pre-blackout and he's supposed to be a Wallace android.
I wonder if there are any clues about this in the art book.
Personally think it's just something he lifted off an N7 he retired. An N7 created in 2019 would only be 30 years old though, so I don't think he's too young. Ana is referred to as a Doctor I believe, and has established a reputation, so she could be about that age as well, if you want to go with "K was the decoy" theory.
Hmmm I was under the impression that there was only one, possibly two, Nexus 7's: Rachel and maybe Deckard, if you think he's a replicant (I don't). Maybe the jacket code is a red herring to indicate that K was possibly their child? I didn't even notice the code on his jacket throughout the movie.
There's also an interview with Zimmer and Wallfisch.
It's kinda weird how Zimmer doesn't mention Johannsson at all when he talks about they were brought on to the project. It is funny though how Zimmer seems to deflect questions about composition to Wallfisch. He really didn't do jackshit.
tonysidaway
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The first thing that occurred to me on reading your first sentence "ah, like the coat Spike wears in Buffy." In the TV series, Spike is a vampire who has dispatched two slayers before he meets Buffy. He took the iconic leather jacket from the last slayer he killed.
On whether he's too young, well, all the other living Tyrell androids look as if they have been adults for about thirty years. If Joe has been around for that long he was created as a baby or small child. That seems a bit unusual. It's possible but not very plausible.
For the theory to work, he has to be an N7. There's only one confirmed N7 and we're not shown how she ages. I agree that it's messy and doesn't make a ton of sense. But K being a replicant known to Deckard/Rachel/resistance protecting Ana and having his memories changed to be a decoy (especially since this is apparently Ana's specialty, she learned it from someone) makes a little bit of sense. It seemed to be what the movie was implying and that would make the connection to Deckard sweeter.
K just being a run of the mill replicant that happened to have some real (illegal) memories that then stumbles into the conspiracy is still fun as well.
Nappuccino
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If K's coat is a N7 serial number, I'll like to think he either found a N7's coat, or customized the coat to memorialize the N7 line.
Watched the film yesterday. Really, really liked it. Visually breathtaking, great scenes and even though the story was a bit on the light side for me, that doesn't mean it was bad. Quite the contrary, I like a film that lets its story time to breathe.
Also, I very much liked the soundtrack. Yes, it wasn't the first Blade Runner, but 2049 also wasn't the first Blade Runner visually. The soundtrack managed to deliver an oppressive feeling just at the right moments.
But then I listen to Dark Ambient regularly, which the soundtrack pretty much fits into.
The scene with Joi-as-a-giant-ass-ad was the most devastating. It wasn't really subtle or anything, but yes, K, the AI you loved didn't do anything special for you.
Oh, and I just loved that the CCCP still exists.
Also, I very much liked the soundtrack. Yes, it wasn't the first Blade Runner, but 2049 also wasn't the first Blade Runner visually. The soundtrack managed to deliver an oppressive feeling just at the right moments.
But then I listen to Dark Ambient regularly, which the soundtrack pretty much fits into.
The scene with Joi-as-a-giant-ass-ad was the most devastating. It wasn't really subtle or anything, but yes, K, the AI you loved didn't do anything special for you.
Oh, and I just loved that the CCCP still exists.
Kadayi
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Your reading of her is superficial, to say the least. Perhaps pay a bit more attention to what is said earlier on in the film and you'll begin to get more of an appreciation for what's going on underneath.
You're not presenting an argument (you haven't made a case for). The question was a request for clarification in the absence of an explanation (because?). I honestly don't know why you felt the need to answer, given the question wasn't directed at you.
Ignatz Mouse
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Thread is for sharing impressions of the movie, no?
So I did.
I know I am not presenting an argument, I said as much. I don't care to argue with somebody acting in bad faith.
So I did.
I know I am not presenting an argument, I said as much. I don't care to argue with somebody acting in bad faith.
CecilRousso
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Just saw it. Loved it.
I think Leto was weirdly underused. You can argue about his performance, but when he is in the movie, why not do more with hit character.
And I thought Freya's reveal was a bit too late in the movie.
Other then that, I thought it was awesome.
Not perfect, but it didn't need to be. It has so many scenes I want to see over and over again, just like with the original. And I thought the ending was much better then I thought it would be.
I think Leto was weirdly underused. You can argue about his performance, but when he is in the movie, why not do more with hit character.
And I thought Freya's reveal was a bit too late in the movie.
Other then that, I thought it was awesome.
Not perfect, but it didn't need to be. It has so many scenes I want to see over and over again, just like with the original. And I thought the ending was much better then I thought it would be.
tearsintherain
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Blade Runner left the big screens in my area, relegated to the tiny "THIS is a movie theater??" screens. Glad I saw it one last time in Dolby ATMOS Digital whatever other acronyms this week.
Meanwhile, I saw GeoStorm starring Gerald Butler and Andy Garcia today. It was so bad it was hilariously funny. Yes, I'm part of the problem but I gotta say, I enjoyed it in 3D IMAX. Gonna be kinda sad/funny/otherGermanWords when Boo Madea or GeoStorm do way better than Blade Runner's opening weekend.
Meanwhile, I saw GeoStorm starring Gerald Butler and Andy Garcia today. It was so bad it was hilariously funny. Yes, I'm part of the problem but I gotta say, I enjoyed it in 3D IMAX. Gonna be kinda sad/funny/otherGermanWords when Boo Madea or GeoStorm do way better than Blade Runner's opening weekend.
Dreams-Visions
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Saw it again last night.
Man everything is just right.
One of the interesting things I noticed more this time around was the dueling interpretations of the LAPD chief lady and Wallace as it pertains to reproducing Replicants. Wallace viewing it as the next step to mankind conquering the future, the police chief fearing it will destroy the present and the future. Neither wanting what's best for Replicants, of course. Wallace wanting a perpetual slave labor force and LAPD lady being more devoted to order than truth and justice. Still interesting as one response is based in a hope of sorts while the other is focused squarely on fear in what comes next.
Wallace really is nothing but a slave master who dreams of being the most famous and successful slave master to have ever lived.
Man everything is just right.
One of the interesting things I noticed more this time around was the dueling interpretations of the LAPD chief lady and Wallace as it pertains to reproducing Replicants. Wallace viewing it as the next step to mankind conquering the future, the police chief fearing it will destroy the present and the future. Neither wanting what's best for Replicants, of course. Wallace wanting a perpetual slave labor force and LAPD lady being more devoted to order than truth and justice. Still interesting as one response is based in a hope of sorts while the other is focused squarely on fear in what comes next.
Wallace really is nothing but a slave master who dreams of being the most famous and successful slave master to have ever lived.
tonysidaway
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Yes, this is a film about slavery, just as surely as Twelve Years a Slave was about slavery. Wallace is honest about it. This doesn't make him the hero, but at least it gives 2017 audiences a way to think about how capitalism could enable a resurgence of legally enforced lifelong slavery.
I saw it again, this time in a Dolby Theater and I'm glad I did. The quality of the visuals and sound was noticeable right away. It's not something I'd care about for most movies but this is one I was glad to get a great version of because who knows when something like it while come along again.
Winterblink
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This is one of those rare movies I wish I could wipe clean from my memory so I can re-experience seeing it for the first time. It's fucking stunning.
s_mirage
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Could be Cyrillic. That lower case looking N when everything else looks upper case points in that direction.
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