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Bloodborne |Mafia OT| The Night Brims With Defiled Scum

Kevyt

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I don't think it was the tone, but rather the content. As others have said, the accusation you're making in 201 is pretty weak. After screwing up once, it's not at all suspicious that Haly would get it right the second time.



At least one of us doesn't understand what a policy lynch is, and it's entirely possible it's me, so I'll elaborate on what I mean.

Seath's playstyle is anti-town. If he consistently executes it in every game he plays, yeah he'll only be scum some of the time, but when he is scum he'll be a damn good one because nobody can read him. Meanwhile when he's town, his playstyle will be at best neutral for town, if not detrimental to it by muddying the waters. When people completely rule out voting for Seath because he's unreadable, that's a problem.

So the idea behind a policy lynch (from my understanding) is that you take a stand and say "X behavior is anti-town enough that should it occur, we'll lynch that person." Not because X behavior is indicative of scum in that particular game, but because it hurts town in the long run.



I'm confused about two things. First of all, is anyone seriously pushing to lynch a new person today? 'Cause I've looked and don't see anyone saying that.

Second, why would scum or neutrals push for it? Town newbies are great for scum: they make mistakes. Or at least they generally don't play as well as the veterans. Plus I haven't seen anyone willing to even consider it, so it's not like they're an easy target.

Am I missing something?



Y'know Freakinchair (btw, I always read this name in Mitch Hedberg's voice), you make a compelling point. When the heat is on, and there's only (lol) thirteen hours left in the day, sometimes you've gotta look out for yourself.

Vote: Freakinchair

I think based on this post, I can safely read freakinchair as town.
 

Kevyt

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Also, reading that Ri'orius post, I think it was so obvious he was scum.

A) He wasn't really saying anything other than policy lynching, which is something very safe for a scum player to do.

B) Not really giving out any other names and just going for other players that aren't really in the radar.

C) His posts are purely pre-meditated and so carefully thought out that it's obvious there is pressure for you as scum not to give away your team mates.

Just from reading Ri'Orius' posts I knew he was scum, hence my vote. It's so obvious, can scum players try out another tactic?

The carefully long thought out posts are a dead giveaway in my opinion.
 

Haly

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Since I'm sticking to my "solo scum" interpretation, this is probably the least informative scum lynch I've ever seen. He knew effectively nothing so none of his accusations or deflections are informative.

Go ahead. Try to implicate me as (one of) Ri'Orius' partner(s). I guarantee you'll look the fool if you lynch me.
 

Kevyt

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I think it's pretty obvious Ri'orius was a solo Mafia who had a partner activated on kill or, as implied, the granted investigation.

Which means at least 2 scum teams and maybe some non-killing neutral(s).

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You have no special abilities at this time, however, as your senses sharpen, (perhaps through insight gained in your encounters with the supernatural,) you may gain the ability to find out who people are. If this occurs, you will be informed how to use your new ability.

In the meantime, you may perform your team’s night kill by submitting the command KILL: <NAME> to ScraftyDevil.You may not use any other commands if you do this.

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Kevyt

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^ or am I? &#129300;

I think the push for Kristoffer was interesting given that he was a runner up. Likewise, if I'm correct, then nudull is scum, freak is town, and Kris is town.

Those are my reads I guess... lol
 

squidyj

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Vote: nudull

I am going based on the fact that he just drove in and casted a vote, kind of just joining the bandwagon against Kristoffer.

Likewise, he hasn't contributed much, and being a new player as Haly said, I am inclined to strongly believe he is also scum.

So nudull, are you enjoying the game so far? ;)



Thank you.

Seath if you believe that you are scum, as town it's your responsibility to vote for yourself.
 

Spoiled Milk

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when you say things like this you should really be quoting the things ri'orius said that make you believe that. citation is very helpful.

Same post Seath was analyzing.

At least one of us doesn't understand what a policy lynch is, and it's entirely possible it's me, so I'll elaborate on what I mean.

Seath's playstyle is anti-town. If he consistently executes it in every game he plays, yeah he'll only be scum some of the time, but when he is scum he'll be a damn good one because nobody can read him. Meanwhile when he's town, his playstyle will be at best neutral for town, if not detrimental to it by muddying the waters. When people completely rule out voting for Seath because he's unreadable, that's a problem.

So the idea behind a policy lynch (from my understanding) is that you take a stand and say "X behavior is anti-town enough that should it occur, we'll lynch that person." Not because X behavior is indicative of scum in that particular game, but because it hurts town in the long run.

Clearly Ri'Orius is making a long term case to outright policy lynch Seath. I think someone who was joined together with Seath in unholy matrimony would excuse his behavior as just "Seath being Seath" (like I was doing) or saying to just wait and see. What Ri'Orius did was sound support for Seath's intense spotlight, even if he did vote for Freakinchair. The reason he voted for Freakinchair was simply because there was already momentum against him.

I didn't really want to defend Seath yesterday after people jumped on me for calling him comical but I quietly predicted that he was simply waiting out the first day, and that on the second day he would be helpful. This has proven correct.

^ or am I? &#55358;&#56596;

I think the push for Kristoffer was interesting given that he was a runner up. Likewise, if I'm correct, then nudull is scum, freak is town, and Kris is town.

Those are my reads I guess... lol

I'm inclined to agree.
 

Spoiled Milk

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I think we should be looking closely at the players who didn't vote for Ri'orius, and right now I'd say we should pressure nudull.

I agree about looking at the players who didn't vote for Ri'orius. It was so close near the end that holding out on a Kristoffer or inconsequential Haly vote could have been a bountiful risk.

I disagree about pressuring nudull. If you look at his posts, you'll find that he... doesn't really have any. They're a couple of posts apologizing for not dropping by sooner. Considering that he's also a new player, I'd say this is just a case of an inactive player being inactive (same as Mazre). It'll be a waste of time. He might even get dropped from the game.

Now let's look at a different player who didn't vote for Ri'orius: Verelios. Verelios IS an active poster, but he's also a passive player. Almost all of his posts hide behind the facade of confusion. They're fluff and filler. He strikes out at Haly, briefly, and then crawls back into the shadows. Even more telling is his total lack of contribution when the bandwagon starts happening. He's reading every post, but only comments to ask non-committal clarifying questions, note the fact that there is a bandwagon happening at all, and express amazement at the quick turnaround.

On the outside he looks like:


...But on the inside...

 

Nudull

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Vote: nudull

I am going based on the fact that he just drove in and casted a vote, kind of just joining the bandwagon against Kristoffer.

Likewise, he hasn't contributed much, and being a new player as Haly said, I am inclined to strongly believe he is also scum.

So nudull, are you enjoying the game so far? ;)

I will say that's it's interesting that you would go to that conclusion. If I really were scum, then why would I be so obvious about it? If anything, I'm just as in the dark as the lot of you. For now, I'm just trusting what my gut tells me.

(And do be a little mindful of pronouns. I usually go by they/them, but I'm not too nitpicky about it.)
 

Verelios

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Now let's look at a different player who didn't vote for Ri'orius: Verelios. Verelios IS an active poster, but he's also a passive player. Almost all of his posts hide behind the facade of confusion. They're fluff and filler. He strikes out at Haly, briefly, and then crawls back into the shadows. Even more telling is his total lack of contribution when the bandwagon starts happening. He's reading every post, but only comments to ask non-committal clarifying questions, note the fact that there is a bandwagon happening at all, and express amazement at the quick turnaround.
Okay then, I'll address your points the best I can. First, I don't know how anyone plays or what their tells are. When people say 'Seath is just being Seath' or this person just pulled a scumtell, I have to wait and think why, or ask why that's so, as I'm not familiar with them. It's like faulting a person new to quiz shows for not pulling out a freaking Layton, it's not realistic.

Second, I didn't really see anything scummy about Ri'orius besides him not posting frequently and some posters pointing it out. Last second there's a sudden bandwagon to kill him, and yeah, I was apprehensive about how sudden it was. In hindsight, he wasn't town, but if he was then that's pretty suspicious.

Third, it was my first day 1. What am I really supposed to talk about when I'm new to Mafia and don't know any of the players here? Lunch? The most you can do is slowly learn and be reactive.
 

roytheone

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Looking at the final hours of the day phase, here are some thoughts about voting behavior of players:

MickD-Last moment vote for ri'orius. Was even too late. Ri'orius was already certain of being lynched at that point. Could be scum panicking and wanting to have someone on the vote.

Weemad- Stayed on haly the whole time, even when it was clear it was either Ri'orius or kristoffer being lynched. Could be scum not wanting to bus Ri, but also not voting for kris to avoid suspicion.

Camjo-Z- Sigh. Well, at least you didn't had an override this time :)

Kristoffer- voted to safe himself. Doesn't say much, leaning town depending on how many scum ended up voting for him with some more flips.

Freakingchair- Had an early Ri'orius vote. I still think his reasoning was weak, even now that ri'orius flipped scum. Went to kristoffer to safe himself, switched back to ri'orius when called out. Could be scum trying to get off the vote since it unexpectedly took off, but that's unlikely. Feeling town for now.

Haly- stayed on kristoffer. Don't know if he was around during the ri'orius shift though. Could be scum.

Magnum- Was one of the votes that pushed ri'orius in the lead. feels town.

EzekelRAGE- one of the heaviest pushers for kristoffer. Looks pretty suspect. No idea why he got targeted, maybe they thought he was the hidden partner because of that? Possible.

Never forever- pretty late vote for ri'orius, he was already in the lead at that point. Could be a scum bus.

Seath- Early vote on ri'orius. Moved it later, but came back. That doesn't feel like a scum bus to me. Think he is town.

Mazre- one of the latest Ri'orius votes. It was already obvious he was going to be lynched at that time. Could be scum bus.

Palmer- The one that pushed the heaviest for a Ri'orius lynch. I doubt scum would bus a partner that wasn't in that much danger yet like this. Town.

Squidyj- helped palmer with the Ri'orius push. Didn't want to jump on the chair vote. If he was scum, he could easily stayed on kris or jumped to chair, but he didn't. Unless chair is also scum, I feel him as town.

Kalor- One of the votes that pushed Ri'orius into the lead. Like magnum his vote it doesn't feel like a bus to me.

Rereading the flip, I'm leaning towards two person team. "You are not alone." Also, keep in mind he didn't need to give up killing to find his partner. It said an attempted kill would still recruit and then give them a double kill the following night. A larger team it would make more sense to have someone killing and someone searching. What I'm curious about is whether the partner knows they can be recruited and what they would be doing in the meantime. If it was a team of two, did they both have killing abilities? If not, did the other's activate when Ri'Orius left?

I'll leave my mechanics speculation there. I'm not terribly far into the actual game so i couldn't speculate that much on factions but i also don't want to get too bogged down. What would be useful is anyone familiar with the game's lore looking for breadcrumbs in day one. If people are aware they need to be recruited, there should be some broadcasting.

He wouldn't have to give up killing to find his partner, but he would have to give up killing to use his power after it activated. Which doesn't make a lot of sense to me for a 1 person scum team with a hidden partner.

Also, since this hidden partner could get recruited by being targeted by the kill, broadcasting wouldn't be as important. The partner could even try and play very towny to become a natural target for the night kill, and get recruited that way. With the risk of accidentally getting friendly fired out of the way, a hidden partner has a lot more options.

I agree about looking at the players who didn't vote for Ri'orius. It was so close near the end that holding out on a Kristoffer or inconsequential Haly vote could have been a bountiful risk.

I disagree about pressuring nudull. If you look at his posts, you'll find that he... doesn't really have any. They're a couple of posts apologizing for not dropping by sooner. Considering that he's also a new player, I'd say this is just a case of an inactive player being inactive (same as Mazre). It'll be a waste of time. He might even get dropped from the game.

Pressuring inactive players is never a waste of time imo. Inactivity doesn't make you scum per se, but it does give us very little to work with, which could become a serious problem later in the game if they are still around.
 

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I agree about looking at the players who didn't vote for Ri'orius. It was so close near the end that holding out on a Kristoffer or inconsequential Haly vote could have been a bountiful risk.

I disagree about pressuring nudull. If you look at his posts, you'll find that he... doesn't really have any. They're a couple of posts apologizing for not dropping by sooner. Considering that he's also a new player, I'd say this is just a case of an inactive player being inactive (same as Mazre). It'll be a waste of time. He might even get dropped from the game.

Now let's look at a different player who didn't vote for Ri'orius: Verelios. Verelios IS an active poster, but he's also a passive player. Almost all of his posts hide behind the facade of confusion. They're fluff and filler. He strikes out at Haly, briefly, and then crawls back into the shadows. Even more telling is his total lack of contribution when the bandwagon starts happening. He's reading every post, but only comments to ask non-committal clarifying questions, note the fact that there is a bandwagon happening at all, and express amazement at the quick turnaround.

On the outside he looks like:



...But on the inside...


Actually nudull is my #2 suspect. I'll explain why tonight - too busy with work today to be able to post. I also have more information to give later but for now: I don't believe that scum killed ezekel. For whatever reason (Doctor?) I think their kill didn't go off last night. To lessen speculation and incrimination before I post later on please refer to the use of the silver bullet. I don't think the beasts are going to be using silver bullets to kill...

ezekel was my #1 target for day 2 lynch (look at his post history) - why would scum throw away that advantage?
 

roytheone

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Actually nudull is my #2 suspect. I'll explain why tonight - too busy with work today to be able to post. I also have more information to give later but for now: I don't believe that scum killed ezekel. For whatever reason (Doctor?) I think their kill didn't go off last night. To lessen speculation and incrimination before I post later on please refer to the use of the silver bullet. I don't think the beasts are going to be using silver bullets to kill...

ezekel was my #1 target for day 2 lynch (look at his post history) - why would scum throw away that advantage?

As someone who modded a game: Fluff about how someone died almost never indicates actual game mechanics. Its just fluff. Be careful with looking to much into those things.
 

Never Forever

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Ri'Orius's attitudes towards Seath and Freakinchair make it unlikely he was allied with either of them

Camjo's last minute 'aha is this my chance' was a bit too theatrical considering the flip, leaning misguided Town

MickD too far out of the loop with that late vote to seriously consider as scum

think that scum are more likely to be in the middling tier of Ri'Orius votes where it was more up in the air, last minute panicky slapdash looks bad and may as well not bother, if they even voted for him at all, could always just stay put and hope for the best

all non-Ri'Orius / non-Kristoffer voters at end of day are of interest because they avoided making a strong statement either way and threw their vote away to somewhere non-threatening where it's unlikely to attract direct immediate scrutiny

Oh.

Vote: Never Forever

I'll repost my scum list in a bit, but in general, I'll be going after anyone that tried to go after me at all on D1.

Also, lol @ http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=206544043&postcount=436

remind me why your sole criteria seems to be 'eliminating people that dared to criticise me'

not sure if that's how the game works but you do you
 

Nudull

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Actually nudull is my #2 suspect. I'll explain why tonight - too busy with work today to be able to post. I also have more information to give later but for now: I don't believe that scum killed ezekel. For whatever reason (Doctor?) I think their kill didn't go off last night. To lessen speculation and incrimination before I post later on please refer to the use of the silver bullet. I don't think the beasts are going to be using silver bullets to kill...

ezekel was my #1 target for day 2 lynch (look at his post history) - why would scum throw away that advantage?

Well, then. This will be fun to read.
 

Palmer_v1

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Speaking of inactivity, work has been busier than normal, so I haven't had much time for anything substantial. I'm mostly staying caught up on the thread, and I'll post when I can. Unlike D1, this isn't me deliberately ignoring stuff.
 

Spoiled Milk

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I also have a theory about ezekel, and will post it if Freakinchair's theory corroborates it. I potentially have a good case for a lynch.
 

Verelios

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I also have a theory about ezekel, and will post it if Freakinchair's theory corroborates it. I potentially have a good case for a lynch.
Why wait? Share the theory instead, as it is, you just sound like you're trying to hop on Chair's deductions at this point. You've been painting targets on other people's backs all day, what are you trying to deflect from? I'm looking at your posts, most of which are just blank bait, and I'm wondering what you're doing.
 

Nudull

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Why wait? Share the theory instead, as it is, you just sound like you're trying to hop on Chair's deductions at this point. You've been painting targets on other people's backs all day, what are you trying to deflect from? I'm looking at your posts, most of which are just blank bait, and I'm wondering what you're doing.

I have to agree. If you have something Kris, then out with it.
 

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I've been looking through the Ri'orius voters and MickD stands out in particular. None of his posts have been substantial with this quote being the most detailed.

He cast a vote on me, with a pretty strange explanation. Seemed suspect to me. I'm not going with a bandwagon.

This is interesting as he says that he isn't going with a bandwagon. Then his next post is:

Vote: Ri'orius

He wasn't talking about the Ri'orius bandwagon earlier as it hadn't started at that point but he provides no explanation for why he had decided to join in on the Ri'orius vote. I read the bandwagon comment as a general anti-bandwagon sentiment so the sudden switch is strange. It could be a scum switching their vote to appear town in the sudden rush at the end of the day. It's a relatively small thing but I'd rather have a vote on someone right now to show where I'm at.

Vote: MickD
 

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Looking back at my day's end notes, I feel pretty bad about weemad. Weemad stayed on Haly the whole time, even though they were clearly present when haly stopped being a candidate, and didn't even comment about who between ri'orius and kristoffer they would prefer to see lynched. They just stayed in the background on their Haly vote.

Then today Weemad had the theory about ezekel being killed to protect kristoffer (very unlikely to me), and goes against seath which based on his interactions with ri'orius is not likely to be scum imo. For now I will

vote: Weemadarthur
 

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I'm really confused... I call out three people in one post.

Hobohodo (call out still think you are scum)
Johnnyquicknives (didn't really understand your vote last day phase, you at least responded)
Kalor (direct vote, flat called you scum hiding out in yesterday's vote)

And other than Johnny answering my question? Crickets *chirp chirp*.

But more Than that

Kalor: you throw out a vote on Johnny day 1, he NEVER responds to your vote. He posts a read list and then disappears until the day before end of day for a vote. Now we all get busy (I know I was busy at end of day) but...

Johnnyquicknives: I don't like your vote or reads list from day 1. It seems very much like a "me too I'm on THIS conversation" because you are on this conversation just talking about it with all y'all scum churchgoers. Posting just enough to not be suspicious (except to me)

Which leads me back to Hobohodo: day one post 232: you mention kalor as having the right idea on lynching day 1. Then in post 292, kalor discusses you with kristoffer saying "what's this vote based on". Not big, not really even a defend.

Then after that... Nothing! It's like you two are playing different games and never talking.

All three of you voted for different people day 1. (Not really a scum tell, just stating the obvious).

So I think that kalor and Hobohodo are scum. I think it's an outside chance the Johnnyquicknives is scum (but less than those two because outside stuff happens).
 

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In my defense it's my first (online) game and learning the ropes. Squid and others asking why I was voting Camjo since it wouldn't count. I was trying to change it last minute to something substantial and got beat by the clock trying to figure out the correct way to write it (the highlight tag). I would honestly look elsewhere. Think of me as the old lady in the chair with a shotgun &#128523;
 

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I'm really confused... I call out three people in one post.

Hobohodo (call out still think you are scum)
Johnnyquicknives (didn't really understand your vote last day phase, you at least responded)
Kalor (direct vote, flat called you scum hiding out in yesterday's vote)

And other than Johnny answering my question? Crickets *chirp chirp*.

But more Than that

Kalor: you throw out a vote on Johnny day 1, he NEVER responds to your vote. He posts a read list and then disappears until the day before end of day for a vote. Now we all get busy (I know I was busy at end of day) but...

Johnnyquicknives: I don't like your vote or reads list from day 1. It seems very much like a "me too I'm on THIS conversation" because you are on this conversation just talking about it with all y'all scum churchgoers. Posting just enough to not be suspicious (except to me)

Which leads me back to Hobohodo: day one post 232: you mention kalor as having the right idea on lynching day 1. Then in post 292, kalor discusses you with kristoffer saying "what's this vote based on". Not big, not really even a defend.

Then after that... Nothing! It's like you two are playing different games and never talking.

All three of you voted for different people day 1. (Not really a scum tell, just stating the obvious).

So I think that kalor and Hobohodo are scum. I think it's an outside chance the Johnnyquicknives is scum (but less than those two because outside stuff happens).

Maybe I should have said something to acknowledge it in retrospect but I didn't comment on your vote and accusation as I couldn't defend myself with the reason you gave. You said that my vote switch post sounded like a scum trying to pass off as town which I can see how you came to that conclusion.

I saw that Kris's lynch wasn't happening so I switched so that my vote was actually useful. The sudden surge on Ri'orius is strange but I'm not the person you should be looking at.
 

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Looking back at my day's end notes, I feel pretty bad about weemad. Weemad stayed on Haly the whole time, even though they were clearly present when haly stopped being a candidate, and didn't even comment about who between ri'orius and kristoffer they would prefer to see lynched. They just stayed in the background on their Haly vote.

Then today Weemad had the theory about ezekel being killed to protect kristoffer (very unlikely to me), and goes against seath which based on his interactions with ri'orius is not likely to be scum imo. For now I will

vote: Weemadarthur

I was at day end. I had terrible lag and couldn't keep up with the vote count. Ri'Orius made scummy posts and I had no reason to defend him like I did with seath on day one. In any case, I have never yet joined a bandwagon on one player when I think another is scummier. The last minute jump felt like it was being led by scum.

Also, if you're assuming everyone that Ri'Orius attacked must be town, then you must give me a pass too. He voted me with very little reasoning apart from a gut read based on a quick post.

Haly has been better on day two, but I don't read him as town.

Palmer, i am confused by your post today laughing at your sudden reversal. Day one, you were protecting Ri'Orius because you thought he was one of the noobs, and then you jumped into pushing a lynch on him. It turns out you were right about his being scum, and given his posts I can see why you thought so. But the 180 in your attitude was still weird. Why did you go on to lol about it? Could you explain your thought process please?

Roy, you have entirely disregarded the speculation, mostly detailed by squidy, about there being two scum teams. If there are, then many of your conclusions don't work, because they rely on one scum team like normal. Are you convinced we have a normal game on that point?

Freakinchair, I am confused by your use of fluff to argue that beasts didn't kill EzekelRAGE. You say he's not the Mafia kill because the Mafia are beasts and they wouldn't use silver bullets. But the Mafia is the healing church, which wants to kill beasts. I am getting my information from a wiki, so if the healing church are really hypocrites and they're all werewolves or something, could you give that detail on the lore please? Why have you been so certain there are beasts who are Mafia?
 

Haly

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Mods and submods, how do we get day 2 counts on the count tool?
 

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I was trying to add to the "story" because I feel players aren't really doing a whole lot to move the narrative along. Mod is doing a fantastic job btw! But. Now that I think about it the old lady in the wheelchair with a shotgun would definitely be scum since her doors wouldn't be locked and I'm assuming she had turned.

I know at night I'm locked up tight in my home, I don't even answer the door. The only weapon I have is a torch to burn the wicked. I personally can't read anyone this early yet though.

I guess I screwed up on saying I wasn't pulling a bandwagon then last minute voting with the majority. I just wanted my vote to count because a few were giving me hell and didn't like the answer I gave. Once again, excuse me I'm learning as I go - first timer.
 

Spoiled Milk

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The hilarious thing, MickD, is that there is an enemy in Bloodborne that is a guy in a wheelchair with a blunderbuss that rolls around and wrecks your shit.
 

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I was at day end. I had terrible lag and couldn't keep up with the vote count. Ri'Orius made scummy posts and I had no reason to defend him like I did with seath on day one. In any case, I have never yet joined a bandwagon on one player when I think another is scummier. The last minute jump felt like it was being led by scum.

Also, if you're assuming everyone that Ri'Orius attacked must be town, then you must give me a pass too. He voted me with very little reasoning apart from a gut read based on a quick post.

Haly has been better on day two, but I don't read him as town.

Palmer, i am confused by your post today laughing at your sudden reversal. Day one, you were protecting Ri'Orius because you thought he was one of the noobs, and then you jumped into pushing a lynch on him. It turns out you were right about his being scum, and given his posts I can see why you thought so. But the 180 in your attitude was still weird. Why did you go on to lol about it? Could you explain your thought process please?

Roy, you have entirely disregarded the speculation, mostly detailed by squidy, about there being two scum teams. If there are, then many of your conclusions don't work, because they rely on one scum team like normal. Are you convinced we have a normal game on that point?

Freakinchair, I am confused by your use of fluff to argue that beasts didn't kill EzekelRAGE. You say he's not the Mafia kill because the Mafia are beasts and they wouldn't use silver bullets. But the Mafia is the healing church, which wants to kill beasts. I am getting my information from a wiki, so if the healing church are really hypocrites and they're all werewolves or something, could you give that detail on the lore please? Why have you been so certain there are beasts who are Mafia?

I literally only protected him because I thought he was a newbie. It's not some scum gambit to say that I refuse to lynch new players on D1. That's simply not fun. Once I was corrected, he went back on my list of people who were going after me, which I posted about D1. Of those candidates, he was the only one who had any traction, and this was at a point where I was pretty sure Haly and Kriss were bad votes. So I decided to push for ri'orius to see what would happen.

I laughed earlier because I literally warned him that this was possible, though I never expected it to be at my hands. As for my 180 in attitude on D1, it's because I generally wasn't even keeping up with the thread until the last day. At that point, I went back to see who tried to use my D1 attitude to hint at lynching me, caught up on some of their posting specifically, and picked a target.
 

Zippedpinhead

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Maybe I should have said something to acknowledge it in retrospect but I didn't comment on your vote and accusation as I couldn't defend myself with the reason you gave. You said that my vote switch post sounded like a scum trying to pass off as town which I can see how you came to that conclusion.

I saw that Kris's lynch wasn't happening so I switched so that my vote was actually useful. The sudden surge on Ri'orius is strange but I'm not the person you should be looking at.

That's fair. Now be honest what do you think about Hobohodo and Johnnyquicknives?
 

squidyj

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huh, seems like a lot of people think a scum could have been hiding on the tail end of the votes yesterday, that's encoura... *ctrl+f Mazre* Apparently not worth discussing for anyone else, not even by any existing scumteam.

Yeah, I gotta say I feel pretty comfortable with where my vote is right now.
 

ScraftyDevil

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Spoiled Milk

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I'm waiting for Freakinchair's info so I can share my theory. zipped will find it interesting. I don't know how many people will object to it (probably just squidyj).
 

Freakinchair

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Let's look at the big scum reveal post shall we? I want to dispel this notion that people believe Ri'Orius was working alone.

Welcome, Ri'Orius. The Blood tells me that you are The Holy Blade. You are aligned with the Healing Church. (That means you are one of the Mafia.)

In the meantime, you may perform your team’s night kill by submitting the command KILL: <NAME> to ScraftyDevil.

Both of these examples heavily imply that he was on a team of known individuals so I would be extremely suspect of the people trying to indicate that he had no knowledge of any teammates. Why would people bring that up? Easy. If he was alone then clearly any posts made in his defence or trying to deflect votes on to someone else are free of guilt. I propose that this is not the case which puts Haly and flatearthpandas into my suspicious category.

Secondly - I know scum didn't kill Ezekel. I know this because I'm the one who killed him as I am a Hunter of Hunters. I don't want to go into too much detail on my powers but I am town aligned and my task is to hunt the blood addled beasts plaguing Yharnam. This is why I made the point about the silver bullet in my previous post... I knew all along it was me and I just wanted to see how people reacted to the query. I'm sure scum don't want others to know that their kill was stopped... its more information for town and is one of the reasons why I'm coming out right now. Weemads questioning my silver bullet theory is a scum tell in my eyes right now. I chose Ezekel as my target last night because of his insane defense of Ri'Orius throughout all of day 1 + the reveal that Ri'Orius was in fact scum. I figured that if he died and turned out to be town then we would save ourselves a day by lynching someone else (because surely he would be the next lynch candidate if I left him alive).

What this means is that scum missed their target somehow last night or they also targeted EzekelRAGE (Possible but highly unlikely). Whomever the "Doctor" is did a good job and should be confident that their target is likely a Townie. In the case of multiple doctors in the game then it's obviously not guaranteed... but we don't have that information yet. For the record I am also not requesting protection from anyone; If Scum wants to take a shot at me they can definitely try.

I'd like to point out who are townies or a secondary faction to Mafia:
Myself (Voted for Ri'Orius at the beginning and stuck to it until the end)
Seath (Voted for Ri'Orius at the beginning, changed and revoted for him to force a tie again)
Squidyj (Midway through day 1 voted for Ri'Orius when basically a tie was present)
Palmer_v1 (Near the end of day 1 votes for Ri'Orius when bandwagon starts against me)
roytheone (Starts the bandwagon on Ri'Orious in the final minutes)
Kristoffer (Hops on immediately)
Kalor (Forces Ri'Orius to have the majority)
The rest are possibly scum bandwagons

Suspicious List:
Nudull
Weemadarthur
Haly
flatearthpandas

I looked at each persons posts who stayed on Kristoff until the end as they are the most suspect and my biggest suspicion lies on Nudull. First of all - fairly low key throughout, not many posts.

Well, day one's turning out interesting so far. For some of you, I do have my suspicions already.

Complete non-post to start.

kristoffer's actions have been somewhat sketchy, especially with talking about a role PM out in the open (even with similar wording being right in the OP, so why specifically reference your own?) when it could potentially paint a target for scum. Very courageous, or there's something else going on. Then there's Camjo-Z getting out in the open with a pre-emptive message and all, though it may just as much be courtesy as it is a scumtell. There are several others who either have yet to post, or are posting very little, and several others have debated about this easily raising suspicion (though I'd rather do a wait-and-see).\

I am keeping in mind that, while there's merit in staying alert as early as possible, stabbing in the dark can be just as dangerous.

As for my experiences with Mafia, this certainly isn't my first. I've done several others on another form where I've RPed as other characters, and have won a couple (often thanks to others pulling through and working together). This is a bit on a different level for me, though I think I will manage.

Notice how they chose only the easy outspoken targets for lynching or casting doubt? Just following the thoughts of the thread.

Awfully sorry I haven't spoken much, the past day or so (birthday and all). People are bringing up some good points about Kris, Chair and Palmer, though like Weemadarthur, I'd continue watching and see what else they do first.

For now, though...

Vote: Kristoffer

Same thing as before - just reiterating the same thing the thread is talking about and dropping a vote on Kristoffer before letting the bandwagons begin (Kristoff leading first).

I've given what I could, given the circumstances. D1 guessing's always tricky, but at least we got lucky this time.

Yes. At least we got lucky.

I'll have more time tomorrow to go over people responses today but for now:
Vote: Nudull

I'm willing to change my mind on this provided more information comes to light... I'll be here tomorrow for discussions.
 

Nudull

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Well so far, that's two people I've suspected on Day 1 slowly turning their eyes on me. Coincidence, or might we be getting somewhere?
 

Verelios

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I'd have to go back and re-read the thread, but Chair, you're saying Kristoffer isn't scum based on him immediately hopping on the Ri'orius bandwagon? He was knee deep in brackish infected water already, any life jacket would've been scooped right up. I can't say anything for your other town reads, since most of my thoughts are just gut reactions for now, but Kristoffer? Still suspicious.

I'd really like some more information to go on.