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Bloomberg article on Switch 'Pro' - launches holiday '21, expect better uptake than PS4 Pro
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Tickle My Tendies
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Switch Pro gonna own my soul. Really curious to see how much power they can actually fit into such a small console.
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IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
Isn't that way too expensive? (even considering discounts, etc.)
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Reality Czar
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All these games in 4K is why I enthusiastically purchased full price Wii U reissues. Well that and I never played the games in the first place.
But imagine... Super Mario 3D World in 4k! BOTW in 4k! Captain Toad in 4k!
These are games where the technical effort is kept to a minimum and the graphics enhanced by top notch art design. They will look sooo good in 4k. Hard to imagine it will not all be 60fps as well, given the promised specs.
But imagine... Super Mario 3D World in 4k! BOTW in 4k! Captain Toad in 4k!
These are games where the technical effort is kept to a minimum and the graphics enhanced by top notch art design. They will look sooo good in 4k. Hard to imagine it will not all be 60fps as well, given the promised specs.
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Goro Majima
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Yep this whole thread is thoughtful stat analysis but I’m already dreading preordering this thing.
That they expect sales to remain flat or rise only a little tells me that supply is going to be a son of a bitch for this thing. By contrast, I was able to walk in and get a New 3DS XL shortly after release.
Fake
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Thats a pretty big jump. Hard to believe, if is true so the current Switch will be kicked years behind. Don't make much sense, besides between all the manufactures the Nvidia is the more greedy, IDK what Nvidia would ask for Nintendo, but will be a hell expensive.
IMO is more easy to believe Switch PRO will be a base PS4/Xbox One. Both between 1080p/900p while docked and mobile will be native 720p. All games while mobile will be native 720p with an OLED bigger screen.
A base PS4 Switch witch DLSS would be perfect.
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fart town usa
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Zelda being a launch candidate is exciting news. But which Zelda game though????
Edit- I still think Nintendo should have a dual screen option like the WiiU. I don't know if it's even possible but that would make the Switch an absolute beast in terms of gameplay options.
skyward sword HD delay confirmed, lol
Edit- I still think Nintendo should have a dual screen option like the WiiU. I don't know if it's even possible but that would make the Switch an absolute beast in terms of gameplay options.
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I find it incredibly hard to believe those are the likely final spec ranges. If they mean a performance increase comparable to what each provided over the base platforms, maybe.
Allnamestakenlol
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Scalpers are literally salivating right now.
Buggy Loop
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Derktron
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I find that hard to believe on the Switch being almost on par with the PS4 Pro/One X. Unless the they finally use the Patent SCD they made back in 2017 where the dock would output the higher performance. Other than that I don’t see it. I could see it on par with the PS4 or Xbox One.
Investor9872
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I'm new to Nintendo. Do any of their previous new hardware consoles have any issues within the first year? Still holding off for a newer sku PS5 fixing the coil whine, blu-ray disc noise, and controller trigger issues.
ultrazilla
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Forget all the talk of the "2" revisions speculation. IMO that's bullshit.
This will be ONE new Switch model-the "Nintendo Switch Pro", "Super Nintendo Switch", "Nintendo Switch Extreme", "Nintendo Switch Up" or whatever they end up calling it.
Nintendo needs to focus on getting third party support to continue developing for the Switch, especially with PS5/Xbox Series X being out.
Nintendo needs a system stat that will be able to run those ports so the Switch doesn't start nose-diving in sales and gets left behind in terms of ports. I think they've learned
from their massive Wii-Wii-U mistake and don't plan on screwing that up again.
*IF* the new SOC has DLSS(I'm convinced it does), then the system being in line with PS4 Pro/Xbox One X levels of performance is entirely possible(IN DOCKED MODE)
The dock will obviously have 2.1 HDMI and I'd wager it will also contain a bigger fan/multiple fans for increased cooling.
As for the handheld aspect-it obviously *won't* have the docked performance because of possible over-heating issues. They could go with the magnesium alloy case(shell) which
was rumored awhile back which would also help with heat dissipation.
I'm going with Nintendo using a custom Nvidia "Orin" basically with the specs "halved" for the Switch: SOC having 6 arm Hercules CPU cores instead of 12, etc.
I definitely can see Nintendo putting more ram in for developers. I think we'll see 6-8 gig here. I think they'll keep memory to 32 gigs (expandable) like the OG version.
Specs: Custom "Orin" SOC(specs roughly halved and containing Mariko backwards compatibility) with DLSS
6-8 gig ram for developers
The 7 inch Samsung OLED screen
New dock with 2.1 hdmi and bigger fan(s)
Magnesium alloy case
$399
Finally I think we'll finally see Grand Theft Auto 5 Definitive Edition, Madden, Call of Duty and Battlefield franchises finally come to the new model. "Exclusive games" the OG couldn't run well.
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Edgelord79
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This does not seem like any other rumor. This has been floating for a couple of months and the timing makes sense. I'll be surprised not to see this release in the holiday season with a Zelda game.
I would have liked to see a 1080p panel, but in handheld mode it's not big deal if it really increases performance. I'm pretty excited for this.
I would have liked to see a 1080p panel, but in handheld mode it's not big deal if it really increases performance. I'm pretty excited for this.
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carlosrox
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Maybe it sorta will be. Like they'll be clear this is the next thing for the Switch moving forward but it won't be a Switch 2 in name.
Who knows. This really does sound too good to be true. I want so badly for it to be true.
Astral Dog
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It appears like they are mostly talking sales nothing about specs 
Besides the stick drift issue I don't think there is much to worry about. Nintendo hardware is usually rock solid
At this point unless companies take some measures (no idea what), any popular consumer product is and will always be scooped up by scalper bots.
Look at what happened to concert and sports tickets.
Edgelord79
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Happens to everything, even books. It's an unfortunate reality now. I'm a huge older/rare book collector and there is always one of a series that is impossible to get due to a few grabbing them and marking prices way up. It's infuriating.
Saber
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Hard to buy. I aways believed that Nintendo never cared for such things,let alone create aconsole at the same level as PS4 when this isn't really their target.
I still keep my guess. Its not a Pro, but a console only version(like Lite is aways undocked), with a better resolution to make up for not being a portable.
I still keep my guess. Its not a Pro, but a console only version(like Lite is aways undocked), with a better resolution to make up for not being a portable.
I tried for 2 weeks to get a RTX card -mostly out of curiosity. Set notifications on my phone - pointless, by the time I can click on a link everything is sold out.
Don't really need it so I am not going to resort to extreme measures such as camping out in front of MicroCenter but if I were building a computer for gaming I'd be super frustrated. You literally cannot build a gaming PC because there are no video cards, period.
From now on I think the new reality is "release date for new hot product' + 1 year.
Captain Toad
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Yeah, right.
tkscz
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Actually they could. Remember the Switch's Tegra X1 is based on tech from 2014. It uses the same Maxwell CUDA cores that are used in the Geforce 700 line (essentially equal to a Geforce GT 750). It only has 256 CUDA cores that is underclocked at 460MHz at the HIGHEST. If rumors are true then nVidia has just stopped producing those Maxwell chips.
The newest version of the Tegra line, Orin, is using 7nm Ampere chips, rumored to have 2048 CUDA cores (yes I know it's not MEANT to run games but it works as an example for what can be placed onto a low powered mobile device). Running at just 800MHz, it would put out 3.2TFs. Not saying this is on the table, just pointing out it's possible.
Imru’ al-Qays
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If the Switch Pro is only substantially more performant in docked mode, as seems likely, I don't see the point.
God, how they choose their language intentionally squishy. There won't be any portable console with Xbox One X nor PlayStation 4 Pro level of performance. Seems the author of the article has zero technical knowledge, so he couldn't interpret his source properly.
Most likely they meant a performance increase in the ratio of Xbox One X and PS4 Pro. So about 2-3 times more performance. That seems realistic considering the ~500 teraflops of Nintendo Switch. Would mean 1-1.5 Tflops in the end.
That is the performance that the iPad Pro achieved 2 1/2 years ago. However, Apple is technologically far ahead of the competition. In comparison, the current M1 chip of the MacBook has around 2.3 Tflops and a lot of AI computing power. Snapdragon and Nvidia are far away from that. However, paired with DLSS features and Tensor cores we would get a really powerful handheld. But it doubt it will be on the upper end of possibilities. Nintendo never released high end hardware since N64 and they won't release a 500 bucks handheld.
Most likely they meant a performance increase in the ratio of Xbox One X and PS4 Pro. So about 2-3 times more performance. That seems realistic considering the ~500 teraflops of Nintendo Switch. Would mean 1-1.5 Tflops in the end.
That is the performance that the iPad Pro achieved 2 1/2 years ago. However, Apple is technologically far ahead of the competition. In comparison, the current M1 chip of the MacBook has around 2.3 Tflops and a lot of AI computing power. Snapdragon and Nvidia are far away from that. However, paired with DLSS features and Tensor cores we would get a really powerful handheld. But it doubt it will be on the upper end of possibilities. Nintendo never released high end hardware since N64 and they won't release a 500 bucks handheld.
Investor9872
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I think they meant to say that as a family, the Switch (Lite, Switch and Pro) will sell 12 million for that 1st quarter that the Pro will be available. The Pro is rumored to cost 20% more, so the cheaper Switches will still sell the most.
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Woopah
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Ah yes that make more sense, so it'll be something like:
$349 Switch Plus
$299 Switch
$199 Switch Lite
If launches alongside BOTW2 in November we could see some unti and dollar records broken. Thought I imagine Switch Plus would have limited supply for the first few months.
Lol the current Xavier is 1.3 TFLOPS at 30w. Switch is going to need reduce to 5w at max. 1Tflop would be surprising to me on a Switch.
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ROTFL I don't think this is possible, not even Apple is at PS4 Pro level yet with their mobile arm chips.
Woopah
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With DLSS it could be PS4 Pro in terms of performance even if it isn't PS4 Pro in terms of power. We know Nintendo and Nvidia are close and this seems like the type of money-saving and battery-saving technology that Nintendo would love.
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Dee Dah Dave
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Console only or gimped handheld?
StateofMajora
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1.3 TFlops of volta arch would pretty much put it around base PS4 (if not better) + DLSS/RT.
At 12nm Xavier is impossible, but with a tweaked version at 7nm, who knows.
For the record, I don't expect Xavier, but at least the Tegra X1 chip bumped to the level of TX2... Anything more than that will be a nice surprise.
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OptimistPrime
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Something interesting about a Turing or Ampere based Switch is that every next-gen console would have Mesh Shaders and VRS except PS5.
TLZ
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If it really has DLSS it'll look great.
OptimistPrime
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People who are doubting this performance increase are short-sighted. The Tegra X1 that was in the Switch at launch was not 2017-era performance. It was manufactured on TSMC’s 20nm, an ancient process from 2014. In addition to all the improvements in efficiency from nvidia since Maxwell, you can easily see a 5nm/7nm/8nm chip being significantly more powerful than the current Switch. 2-3TF isn’t that crazy.
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PuppetMaster
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I fully expect a slightly higher clocked Switch that can do 4K output when docked. But most games will not be 4K native.
They will be either upscalled or be dynamic resolution up to 4K. I guess in that sense, exactly like a PS4 pro lol!
They will be either upscalled or be dynamic resolution up to 4K. I guess in that sense, exactly like a PS4 pro lol!
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nillapuddin
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my fantasy critic league hangs in the balance!!
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Kokoloko85
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Maybe it means the jump is like how Xbox 1 and PS4 improved to PS4 pro and Xbox 1 X. Not that it will be as strong as the XB1X and PS4 pro
Orin is being produced on both 8nm and 5nm; (because 5nm isn't approved for self-riving vehicles yet)
Ps4 Pro/XOX performance would definitely be possible on 5nm.
There is a verified developer at Reee saying he's heard of a chip for Nintendo that hasn't taped out yet, and Furukawa said in his latest interview that they had initiatives that would appeal more to Westerners than to the Japanese.
I think we're looking at a stationary Switch on 8nm this year and a 5nm hybrid to launch along side Pokemon early next year.
If it has an IGZO tft panel, that would allow in twice the amount of light, and make the screen appear to be 1080p.
It's also possible the screen could be for the controller of a stationary model as Nintendo has numerous patents showing joycons attached to a screen for someone playing games on the TV.
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