This exactly. Gonna be a 3ds>new3ds type upgrade
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Bloomberg: New Switch to feature DLSS and more
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It's a new SoC with DLSS features. It's all hardware based. The dock is still just a dock.
Interfectum
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Just bottomline it for us... does this mean Switch Pro could run a game like Red Dead 2 with reasonably good graphics and frame rate or should we set our expectations lower?
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Woopah
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This reporter had sources in the supply chain, it's not random speculation.
I think that was 12 million units for the whole Switch family, not just the Pro.
And this revision is coming out 8 years after PS4 / XB1. Should be a good upgrade.
ArtemisClydeFrog
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Personally, I don't think expectations are high enough. RDR 3 and GTA 6 bout to be Switch exclusives.
mansoor1980
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you cannot be serious , HELL NOPersonally, I don't think expectations are high enough. RDR 3 and GTA 6 bout to be Switch exclusives.
Rat Rage
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Sounds reasonable. Especially DLSS makes a lot of sense.
What I wonder is, if Nintendo will "enhance" the dock. Probably they won't put any processors in there, but maybe they can add some extra cooling solutions that help to further cool the main Switch unit. This way, the main unit (Switch Pro) could use higher clock speeds.
The OG Switch works like this already, but the extra cooling is just provided by more energy consumption and increased fan speeds of the main units. I really wonder, if an extra cooling solution implemented in the dock for a potential Switch Pro could work in tandem with the main unit and further improve cooling/increase clock speeds.
What I wonder is, if Nintendo will "enhance" the dock. Probably they won't put any processors in there, but maybe they can add some extra cooling solutions that help to further cool the main Switch unit. This way, the main unit (Switch Pro) could use higher clock speeds.
The OG Switch works like this already, but the extra cooling is just provided by more energy consumption and increased fan speeds of the main units. I really wonder, if an extra cooling solution implemented in the dock for a potential Switch Pro could work in tandem with the main unit and further improve cooling/increase clock speeds.
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alucard0712_rus
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This is THE best news if true.
DLSS is also great anti-aliasing method.
Also they can use DLSS even in protable to further save on battery life. (540->720 upscale for example).
Also can tensor cores be only and work only on new dock station? (not on SOC)?
DLSS is also great anti-aliasing method.
Also they can use DLSS even in protable to further save on battery life. (540->720 upscale for example).
Also can tensor cores be only and work only on new dock station? (not on SOC)?
Banjo64
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£199 Lite, £249 Switch, £299 Pro looks good to me. But as you say it’ll probably stay £279 with the Pro coming in at £329 or some shit.
MagnesG
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My least expectations would be games that are still selling hot, like BOTW/MK8D, should at minimum be getting the new patches.Did that happen for all old games when the PS4 pro and Xbox One X was released?
Or now, for all old PS4 games on the PS5 via BC?
Sure, it happened for some games but far from all. Even some "obvious" titles have been left out.
If the upgrade is actually significant, I'm keener to believe the continuous Switch family theory is really happening then. Just let Nvidia do all the hard work on producing a new chip every couple of years while they could comfortably continue producing modular design with small changes for every new gimmicky experience they came up with.
ThatOneGrunt
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I don't know. Sounds like the new Switch could have games exclusive to the improved hardware. Wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility with Nintendo.
Fake
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Reality Czar
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Hard to imagine DLSS will not scale well with Nintendo games. They perform great on the low spec Switch gear already, scaling them up to 4k will be a cinch. IMO backwards compatibility/upscaling with previous Switch titles is a necessity for a Pro model.
I don't see them doing software exclusive to the new system. With the Switch we have seen Nintendo lax performance standards in order to get higher end games (Witcher III, DOOM, etc.) to work in portable. They are fine with making allowances in order to keep games running across platforms. It seems they could simply require a OG Switch performance profile on any new games. Which, for anyone who has been developing on the Switch, they have already been doing anyways.
I don't see them doing software exclusive to the new system. With the Switch we have seen Nintendo lax performance standards in order to get higher end games (Witcher III, DOOM, etc.) to work in portable. They are fine with making allowances in order to keep games running across platforms. It seems they could simply require a OG Switch performance profile on any new games. Which, for anyone who has been developing on the Switch, they have already been doing anyways.
alucard0712_rus
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Exactly. Native rendering is a waste of resources, especially on portable console. You also get a good anti-aliasing.
Stray Parts
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Super surprising if true.
Genuinely thought they would keep that for Switch 2 than another Switch 1 family product.
Genuinely thought they would keep that for Switch 2 than another Switch 1 family product.
Dampf
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Indeed and by rendering at a super low resolution like 360p and reconstructing to 720p, it could save a ton of battery life for handheld mode as the GPU can downclock heavily. Of course, tensor cores also use power but it should be less than rendering at native 720p.
Now if it had a decent 8 core or more ARM78 CPU, atleast 8 GB RAM and decent storage speed, next gen ports could be possible.
I just wonder if RT cores are included as well, could be very beneficial once games will use RT exclusively for some effects and Switch Pro could push above its weight, considering RT cores are faster than AMD's Ray accelerators in the next gen consoles.
LordBlodgett
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Since I don't play much on the go I've been waiting for a docked performance upgrade to buy a switch. If they can get 1080p/60FPS docked in most games I would be happy enough to purchase. I just highly doubt that Nintendo will put in the work to upgrade any of their best games to take advantage. They have a tendency to never look back when it comes to their games.
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Deleted member 17706
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But will it speed up Animal Crossing load times?
Either way, I'll be there day 1.
Either way, I'll be there day 1.
Raploz
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I still think they're going with this chip: https://www.neogaf.com/threads/ther...-a-switch-pro-and-here-are-the-specs.1565699/
Even with it being a chip with new tech like DLSS I don't expect it to cross the 1tf barrier, but it doesn't need to. All it needs to do is to play current Switch titles at 1080/1440, and with DLSS it doesn't need to be too powerful.
Even with it being a chip with new tech like DLSS I don't expect it to cross the 1tf barrier, but it doesn't need to. All it needs to do is to play current Switch titles at 1080/1440, and with DLSS it doesn't need to be too powerful.
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Fake
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Don't use the PC to compare how things gonna work on the console/Nintendo Switch.
saintjules
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ultrazilla
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I've looked into my crystal ball NeoGAF.
It's a custom Nvidia ORIN. You'll see.
www.neogaf.com
It's a custom Nvidia ORIN. You'll see.
Bloomberg article on Switch 'Pro' - launches holiday '21, expect better uptake than PS4 Pro
The performance of this revision is expected to be in line with the PS4 PRO and XBOX One X.
Raploz
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I've looked into my crystal ball NeoGAF.
It's a custom Nvidia ORIN. You'll see.
Bloomberg article on Switch 'Pro' - launches holiday '21, expect better uptake than PS4 Pro
The performance of this revision is expected to be in line with the PS4 PRO and XBOX One X.
No way it's Orin, that won't come until 2022 at the earliest. It's probably Xavier as it supports DLSS and is in production.
Sid Of Bee
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This is the right move. The old Nintendo would have gimped this and not increased price... This is a much better strategy and much more in line with other mobile strategies.
DapperSloth
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Why?
Why does it have to be powerful to be "worthy" of that pricetag? You do know the Switch is a 2-1 console with gyro and detachable controllers. I am surprised they aren't even charging more for it.
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Shodan09
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Give me decent image quality on my CX and I'll pay whatever they want for it.
Hopefully the move to oled means they are considering reducing in game huds or providing options to remove them altogether.
Hopefully the move to oled means they are considering reducing in game huds or providing options to remove them altogether.
alucard0712_rus
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You mean DLSS?
Fake
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Yeap. There are mix of hardware and software.
Burythelight
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I'm interested. No fucking joycon drift please
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Dream-Knife
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Perhaps before its down clocked. The current chip is capable of much more, but nintendo has it running at much lower clocks.
worldwithpyramids
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Because I don’t want another console that is years behind gaming technology on the day of release? The Switch has suffered greatly because of its lack of power. That is the reason we are getting this update to begin with. On top of that the PS5 has far more advanced, and better utilized, tech in its controller as well. Like, Nintendo doesn’t even have that claim anymore. The joycons are terrible controllers. Full stop. And if you want a controller that isn’t shit you have to spend $60 more on a Pro controller whereas $400 will get you a PS5 console and the controller included in that price.
Schnozberry
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It really depends on if this is another off the shelf part, or semi-custom work. Until Nvidia or Nintendo disclose official information, or something leaks out of manufacturing, we're all guessing.
Given how well the Switch has performed for Nvidia and Nintendo, a custom part isn't completely out of the question. It's also a prestige product for Nvidia, and their only connection in the console space. They'll want to deliver an optimized software/hardware environment. Whether that means Orin or just a nice step up from the OG Switch, if Zelda and Metroid deliver no one will care.
Marvel14
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Says someone with Wii U and Gamecube amnesia...
Marvel14
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Wonder what more immersive differentiating tech this will have to justify the price point? Better graphics and performance is not enough of a Nintendo rationale.
If Nintendo get this right it could extend the Switch lifespan by another 3-4 years. If they get it wrong it will be a flash in the pan with only a handful of exclusive games and only for hardcore enthusiasts.
If Nintendo get this right it could extend the Switch lifespan by another 3-4 years. If they get it wrong it will be a flash in the pan with only a handful of exclusive games and only for hardcore enthusiasts.
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MagnesG
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That is so old news.
You're just too comfortable with the subsidized price.
kraspkibble
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dlss is perfect for switch.
now let's hope we can all get one instead of going to scalpers.
now let's hope we can all get one instead of going to scalpers.