Astral Dog
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Bloomberg: New Switch to feature DLSS and more
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Astral Dog
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Dude, its just a $300 tablet that can play on TV.
But, if these rumors are true, with this DLSS and OLED Nintendo is taking a huge step forward in image quality, they are using brand new tech to make their games outpout resolution look much higher than PS4ONE could do, its impressive because again its just a tablet we are talking about.
going from 360p in Xenoblade and other games to 720 OLED and '4K docked at little cost in rendering is HUGE and will be a revelation, the fact that iq advanced so much in a Pro revision is exciting news for Nintendo fans because they always been far behind in the resolution game.
Edit:i don't think the Switch has 'suffered' due to lack of power at all, its success is insane
sorry but a more powerful Nintendo home console would be shit and not attract people at all, the hybrid model is essential to its popularity and successyeah the Switch is breaking sales records but it suffers so much! POOR thing!!!
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S0ULZB0URNE
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pfff I wish they are wrong and it ends up even more powerful.
Astral Dog
Member
The coolest thing is that DLSS will stay for the future as well
Imagine Switch 2 being 4k ready, not needing that many resources going to pushing the screen resolution and instead going to prettier graphics and framerate without sacrificing image quality it almost sounds too good to be true
Azelover
Titanic was called the Ship of Dreams, and it was. It really was.
Yeah, it's getting more ridiculous each day. I remember the dreaded times of WiiHD.
The silence suggests that something is indeed up, but until they announce it properly, it's gonna be this torturous speculation. Most which is probably inaccurate.
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Ryu Kaiba
Member
it's not Nintendo It's Nvidia we're talking about and putting DLSS in a mainstream gaming console is a fantastic move for them of course they would. I have a video from digital foundry from over a year ago talking about how Nvidia was prepping for this, when I find it i'll post it in this thread.
CS Lurker
Member
Do not forget that Nvidia only does what Nintendo wants it to do LOL
It's Nintendo who's gonna pay.
Ryu Kaiba
Member
Here's John saying that the next chip Nvidia makes for the switch is likely a custom chip
Raploz
Member
Stupid theory time: With so much being leaked (considering Nintendo has always been careful with leaks like that), with so many speculations of them using the latest technologies and also knowing Nvidia is already deeply involved with Switch's software side since launch (c'mon, they developed an entirely exclusive API for Switch), I wonder if it's really Nintendo deciding about Switch's hardware here.
I'll start a little conspiracy theory and say Nvidia is using Nintendo to force developers to include Nvidia exclusive tech in Switch titles, and they're doing that by strategically giving Nintendo a very really good deal. With Nvidia forcing Nintendo to adopt their latest technologies, those features will also be easily ported to PC. Nvidia has the interest of forcing the industry to adopt their proprietary technologies like DLSS in most games to keep their competitive advantage over AMD in the PC space.
I'll start a little conspiracy theory and say Nvidia is using Nintendo to force developers to include Nvidia exclusive tech in Switch titles, and they're doing that by strategically giving Nintendo a very really good deal. With Nvidia forcing Nintendo to adopt their latest technologies, those features will also be easily ported to PC. Nvidia has the interest of forcing the industry to adopt their proprietary technologies like DLSS in most games to keep their competitive advantage over AMD in the PC space.
FloatingIslands
Member
I'm sceptical about this.
These leaks seem like a shield 2 instead of a switch upgrade.
Nintendo never made big improvements in hardware refreshes, just a minor frequency and ram bump here and there, bigger screen, bigger battery, etc.
I just think that maybe a revised version of switch will release this year, something with camera and microphone like DSi, instead of these crazy specs.
I also think that a new Nvidia Shield will be announced soon and the leaks are just confusing the two devices.
These leaks seem like a shield 2 instead of a switch upgrade.
Nintendo never made big improvements in hardware refreshes, just a minor frequency and ram bump here and there, bigger screen, bigger battery, etc.
I just think that maybe a revised version of switch will release this year, something with camera and microphone like DSi, instead of these crazy specs.
I also think that a new Nvidia Shield will be announced soon and the leaks are just confusing the two devices.
The Switch has suffered? Did the PS4 and XOne suffer because they had midgen upgrades? Gtfo with that nonsense lmao!
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Aldric
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The New 3DS was a pretty big spec bump it's just that the base hardware was so shit it didn't really show but I'm pretty sure New 3DS' CPU was 3 to 4 times faster, that's not minor and applied to Switch that'd be a significant improvement, in fact it's in line with current rumors about this new model.
Also that whole "this is Nintendo" reasoning is faulty because it's not like Nintendo haven't changed their ways multiple times during their history. Miyamoto has expressed regret at the Wii not being a HD system for instance, it's perfectly possible they've learned from the Wii's rapid decline on the market and want to ensure the Switch ecosystem stays relevant for the next few years.
Woopah
Member
I don't think Nvidia is forcing Nintendo to do anything. DLSS is the perfect tool for Nintendo and it benefits both parties to implement it in a Switch revision.
Mister Wolf
Member
With a major company like Nintendo buying in to DLSS. I expect the tech to now evolve at a rapid pace.
Woopah
Member
Switch third party support is still increasing so I do expect more and more developers to have their games be DLSS enabled (especially in Japan).
demigod
Member
Guys, guys Bayonetta 3 and 2 @4K
Dude, its just a $300 tablet that can play on TV.
But, if these rumors are true, with this DLSS and OLED Nintendo is taking a huge step forward in image quality, they are using brand new tech to make their games outpout resolution look much higher than PS4ONE could do, its impressive because again its just a tablet we are talking about.
going from 360p in Xenoblade and other games to 720 OLED and '4K docked at little cost in rendering is HUGE and will be a revelation, the fact that iq advanced so much in a Pro revision is exciting news for Nintendo fans because they always been far behind in the resolution game.
Edit:i don't think the Switch has 'suffered' due to lack of power at all, its success is insane
yeah the Switch is breaking sales records but it suffers so much! POOR thing!!!
What the shit, this is NOT going to happen. You don't know how DLSS works.
Woopah
Member
If Xenoblade 2 got a patch, how high do you think DLSS could take the resolution?
Mister Wolf
Member
1440p DLSS.
Woopah
Member
Thanks! Not sure if Xenoblade will get a patch, but I reckon several Switch evergreens will.
Sean Mirrsen
Banned
DLSS 2.0 in Performance mode would upscale 360p to 720p, or 720p to 1440p. Ultra Performance would take 360p to 1080p, or 720p to 4K. The framerate it can do it at is only a matter of how many Tensor cores the chip has, and obviously there would be artifacting going so far up in resolution, but it's extremely plausible.
Astral Dog
Member
Yeahim sure they will upgrade the resolution anyways with the added power of the Pro ,more like using DLSS to make 720p/1080p look nicer on large tvs, bu even in undocked mode it could help even 540p would look nicer no?
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demigod
Member
Games have to support the feature or patched. Don’t hold your breath on it being patched.
Sean Mirrsen
Banned
So I found this little graph. According to it, a 2060 Super will take 2.5ms to reconstruct a 4K image using DLSS 2.0.
The Super has a few more Tensor cores than a regular 2060, but for the sake of some number fudging let's assume that 48 Tensor cores at 800MHz (the 10W TDP mode of a Jetson Xavier NX) still results in about 1/10th of the total Deep Learning Accelerator performance. So an equivalent task, reconstructing a 4K image, would take the brave but dinky little SoC right around 25 milliseconds.
That's... not particularly good, but honestly not quite as bad as I thought it would be. It's within the realm of "just about maybe possible". All it would take - and I better use some massive air quotes there, "all it would take" - would be to have double the Tensor performance, whether it's by doubling the number of cores or by somehow having the Tensor cores run at double clock. It'd push the frame time overhead down to 12.5ms, which combined with the 16.6ms needed to render a 1080p image for a 1080@60 output, results in under 30ms, or enough to run a DLSS-powered output of 4K@30, upscaling from 1080p to 4K using regular Performance mode.
So I'm liking my theory of the new Switch chip being some iteration of the Xavier NX more and more now. It just seems to fit.
The Super has a few more Tensor cores than a regular 2060, but for the sake of some number fudging let's assume that 48 Tensor cores at 800MHz (the 10W TDP mode of a Jetson Xavier NX) still results in about 1/10th of the total Deep Learning Accelerator performance. So an equivalent task, reconstructing a 4K image, would take the brave but dinky little SoC right around 25 milliseconds.
That's... not particularly good, but honestly not quite as bad as I thought it would be. It's within the realm of "just about maybe possible". All it would take - and I better use some massive air quotes there, "all it would take" - would be to have double the Tensor performance, whether it's by doubling the number of cores or by somehow having the Tensor cores run at double clock. It'd push the frame time overhead down to 12.5ms, which combined with the 16.6ms needed to render a 1080p image for a 1080@60 output, results in under 30ms, or enough to run a DLSS-powered output of 4K@30, upscaling from 1080p to 4K using regular Performance mode.
So I'm liking my theory of the new Switch chip being some iteration of the Xavier NX more and more now. It just seems to fit.
StateofMajora
Banned
New 3ds cpu was 6x more powerful. Triple the clockspeed, double cores.
If switch can get a bump like that, esp. over its 1.7ghz mode (used for loading in certain games), would be a really good upgrade.
ultrazilla
Member
All those years of people saying they just would like to see Nintendo release a "powerful" system are finally going to see one.
There's no doubt in my mind that what Nintendo is doing with their new Switch will drop some jaws and surprise even the most jaded of gamers.
The first video game console ever to feature DLSS. That is a game changer(pun not intended). With this feature, we *WILL* see "next generation" ports
from PS5 and Xbox Series X.
Witcher 3 will get patched. Cyberpunk 2077 will be announced. Grand Theft Auto 5: Definitive Edition. Borderlands 3. TLOZ: BOTW will get a 4k/60fps patch.
Mario Kart 8 4k patch(already 60fps). Astral Chain 4k/60fps patch. Xenoblode Chronicles 4k/60fps patch. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (4k/60fps patch) and tons more.
Believe it. Bookmark this post.
There's no doubt in my mind that what Nintendo is doing with their new Switch will drop some jaws and surprise even the most jaded of gamers.
The first video game console ever to feature DLSS. That is a game changer(pun not intended). With this feature, we *WILL* see "next generation" ports
from PS5 and Xbox Series X.
Witcher 3 will get patched. Cyberpunk 2077 will be announced. Grand Theft Auto 5: Definitive Edition. Borderlands 3. TLOZ: BOTW will get a 4k/60fps patch.
Mario Kart 8 4k patch(already 60fps). Astral Chain 4k/60fps patch. Xenoblode Chronicles 4k/60fps patch. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (4k/60fps patch) and tons more.
Believe it. Bookmark this post.
Woopah
Member
My person take on this:All those years of people saying they just would like to see Nintendo release a "powerful" system are finally going to see one.
There's no doubt in my mind that what Nintendo is doing with their new Switch will drop some jaws and surprise even the most jaded of gamers.
The first video game console ever to feature DLSS. That is a game changer(pun not intended). With this feature, we *WILL* see "next generation" ports
from PS5 and Xbox Series X.
Witcher 3 will get patched. Cyberpunk 2077 will be announced. Grand Theft Auto 5: Definitive Edition. Borderlands 3. TLOZ: BOTW will get a 4k/60fps patch.
Mario Kart 8 4k patch(already 60fps). Astral Chain 4k/60fps patch. Xenoblode Chronicles 4k/60fps patch. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (4k/60fps patch) and tons more.
Believe it. Bookmark this post.
Believe:
- Witcher 3 will get patched
- Borderlands 3
- BOTW will get a 4k/60fps patch
- Mario Kart 8 4k patch(already 60fps)
- Xenoblode Chronicles 4k/60fps patch
- Xenoblade Chronicles 2
Disbelieve:
- Cyberpunk 2077 will be announced
- Grand Theft Auto 5: Definitive Edition (if this does get announced it'll be for all Switch systems)
- Astral Chain 4k/60fps patch
Guess we'll see who is right!
Dampf
Member
However true next gen support will only come when it has hardware accelerated Raytracing.All those years of people saying they just would like to see Nintendo release a "powerful" system are finally going to see one.
There's no doubt in my mind that what Nintendo is doing with their new Switch will drop some jaws and surprise even the most jaded of gamers.
The first video game console ever to feature DLSS. That is a game changer(pun not intended). With this feature, we *WILL* see "next generation" ports
from PS5 and Xbox Series X.
Witcher 3 will get patched. Cyberpunk 2077 will be announced. Grand Theft Auto 5: Definitive Edition. Borderlands 3. TLOZ: BOTW will get a 4k/60fps patch.
Mario Kart 8 4k patch(already 60fps). Astral Chain 4k/60fps patch. Xenoblode Chronicles 4k/60fps patch. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (4k/60fps patch) and tons more.
Believe it. Bookmark this post.
Dream-Knife
Banned
These rumors get crazier and crazier.
I don't think Nintendo is going to throw away its current 80+ million install base with a huge leap like this.
I think we're either having this rumor combine with the Shield 2, or Nintendo's next system thats a year or two down the line.
I don't think Nintendo is going to throw away its current 80+ million install base with a huge leap like this.
I think we're either having this rumor combine with the Shield 2, or Nintendo's next system thats a year or two down the line.
Woopah
Member
Nintendo won't be throwing it away. All their games for the next couple of years will run on all Switch devices. Third parties may port over games that only run on the Pro.
MAtgS
Member
I'm still waiting for a passable kickstand.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
I'd even take a stable 30.Day 1 for me. Really want to play Age of Calamity in 60fps.
VN1X
Banned
Hah yeah. Sometimes I feel like I'm transported back to the N64 era when playing that game. It's a slideshow at times.
Fake
Member
Native 1080p at locked 30 would be perfect for me.
So I found this little graph. According to it, a 2060 Super will take 2.5ms to reconstruct a 4K image using DLSS 2.0.
The Super has a few more Tensor cores than a regular 2060, but for the sake of some number fudging let's assume that 48 Tensor cores at 800MHz (the 10W TDP mode of a Jetson Xavier NX) still results in about 1/10th of the total Deep Learning Accelerator performance. So an equivalent task, reconstructing a 4K image, would take the brave but dinky little SoC right around 25 milliseconds.
That's... not particularly good, but honestly not quite as bad as I thought it would be. It's within the realm of "just about maybe possible". All it would take - and I better use some massive air quotes there, "all it would take" - would be to have double the Tensor performance, whether it's by doubling the number of cores or by somehow having the Tensor cores run at double clock. It'd push the frame time overhead down to 12.5ms, which combined with the 16.6ms needed to render a 1080p image for a 1080@60 output, results in under 30ms, or enough to run a DLSS-powered output of 4K@30, upscaling from 1080p to 4K using regular Performance mode.
So I'm liking my theory of the new Switch chip being some iteration of the Xavier NX more and more now. It just seems to fit.
I think we might see 720p native in portable mode (no DLSS), then 4x scaling for 720p->DLSS 1440p in docked mode, output as 4K to the TV. Less than half the cost of DLSS to 4k, and it would still look pretty good.
Thesuffering79
Banned
You have to remember thing are downclocked for the handheld mode to preserve battery. It could very well be 1080p to 4k. That said it would only affect first part games imo. Most people put this thing at 1-1.5 TFLOPS. Even considering NVidia TFLOPS, i tthing it still wont reach the 10 tflops 4k shrunk down to 1080p. But perhaps it will be a bit better than the PS4/XBO -> Switch scenario for games.
All those years of people saying they just would like to see Nintendo release a "powerful" system are finally going to see one.
There's no doubt in my mind that what Nintendo is doing with their new Switch will drop some jaws and surprise even the most jaded of gamers.
The first video game console ever to feature DLSS. That is a game changer(pun not intended). With this feature, we *WILL* see "next generation" ports
from PS5 and Xbox Series X.
Witcher 3 will get patched. Cyberpunk 2077 will be announced. Grand Theft Auto 5: Definitive Edition. Borderlands 3. TLOZ: BOTW will get a 4k/60fps patch.
Mario Kart 8 4k patch(already 60fps). Astral Chain 4k/60fps patch. Xenoblode Chronicles 4k/60fps patch. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (4k/60fps patch) and tons more.
Believe it. Bookmark this post.
Would have been perfect as the Neogaf logo as the crystal ball.
Believe.
MAtgS
Member
Cyberpunk doesn't even run worth a damn on XB1/PS4, Switch Pro ain't getting it.All those years of people saying they just would like to see Nintendo release a "powerful" system are finally going to see one.
There's no doubt in my mind that what Nintendo is doing with their new Switch will drop some jaws and surprise even the most jaded of gamers.
The first video game console ever to feature DLSS. That is a game changer(pun not intended). With this feature, we *WILL* see "next generation" ports
from PS5 and Xbox Series X.
Witcher 3 will get patched. Cyberpunk 2077 will be announced. Grand Theft Auto 5: Definitive Edition. Borderlands 3. TLOZ: BOTW will get a 4k/60fps patch.
Mario Kart 8 4k patch(already 60fps). Astral Chain 4k/60fps patch. Xenoblode Chronicles 4k/60fps patch. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 (4k/60fps patch) and tons more.
Believe it. Bookmark this post.
Dream-Knife
Banned
Oddly, outside of slowdown in Perfect Dark and Goldeneye (Jungle), I never really notice frame rate issues on 64.
plank
Member
Isn't Xavier too big? Plus Volta's tensor cores are not good for DLSS.So I found this little graph. According to it, a 2060 Super will take 2.5ms to reconstruct a 4K image using DLSS 2.0.
The Super has a few more Tensor cores than a regular 2060, but for the sake of some number fudging let's assume that 48 Tensor cores at 800MHz (the 10W TDP mode of a Jetson Xavier NX) still results in about 1/10th of the total Deep Learning Accelerator performance. So an equivalent task, reconstructing a 4K image, would take the brave but dinky little SoC right around 25 milliseconds.
That's... not particularly good, but honestly not quite as bad as I thought it would be. It's within the realm of "just about maybe possible". All it would take - and I better use some massive air quotes there, "all it would take" - would be to have double the Tensor performance, whether it's by doubling the number of cores or by somehow having the Tensor cores run at double clock. It'd push the frame time overhead down to 12.5ms, which combined with the 16.6ms needed to render a 1080p image for a 1080@60 output, results in under 30ms, or enough to run a DLSS-powered output of 4K@30, upscaling from 1080p to 4K using regular Performance mode.
So I'm liking my theory of the new Switch chip being some iteration of the Xavier NX more and more now. It just seems to fit.
wipeout364
Member
People saying Nintendo will release anything cutting edge are crazy. I would be more than happy for an upgraded switch with a better screen but Nintendo is all about cost containment, then making sure their games run smooth as possible on the tech. The last cutting edge tech they ever released was Nintendo 64.
Thesuffering79
Banned
Sean Mirrsen
Banned
Tensor cores are Tensor cores. They're just Deep Learning Accelerators, processors with a focus on a specific type of operation (matrix multiplication, IIRC). There's nothing so special about DLSS that makes it impossible to use on Volta-era Tensors, much like crypto-mining doesn't really need to be done with GPUs. It just requires a lot of a particular type of calculation, and for deep learning applications like DLSS, Tensor cores excel at that type of calculation.
Also yeah, Xavier is larger. But not, I think, insurmountably so. The NX module is the same size as the TX1 module, just more densely packed. It'd obviously necessitate a redesign of the Switch motherboard, just because of the memory arrangement, but all told the NX SoC with its memory chips and ancillary components takes up maybe 30% more space. If the new Switch is a little larger, or thicker (allowing the battery to be thicker and thus smaller in area), I think it'll fit in there just fine.