Fake
Gold Member
IDK what you expected lol. For the time PS4 was good in this regards.
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[Bloomberg]Sony reported strong 1Q earnings,meanwhile, pace of PS5 hardware sales decline faster than what market had expected is a concern.
IDK what you expected lol. For the time PS4 was good in this regards.
Dr. Samuel Hayden
Member
Clearly we need more games like Concord and Fairgames.
clarky
Gold Member
Laptops out sold desktops around 7-1 in 2023 but sure everyone has a decent gaming pc at home.
Luipadre
Gold Member
Sony: why our PS5 sales are dropping so fast guys?
People: we have no games to play on it, exclusively.
Sony:
Its 2024, most households own a decent gaming PC, if you want ppl to keep buying a PS5 make great games for it already Jesus fuck. Bloodborne 2, BLoodborne remake, Wolverine, new TLOU, new uncharted, more unique IP's like Stellar Blade, etc. cmon gives us something ffs.
you'll have concord to look forward to this month
Jimbo got you
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
This has got to be a joke that's going over everyone's heads. The alternative just isn't plausible.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Jesus. How many Xboxes does a house need?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Hope they manage to pull through.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
ChorizoPicozo
Member
they need a price cut ASAP and kill the GaaS for last Gen. problem solved
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Looks like I triggered the obssesed Sony fanboys. Works like a charm everytime.
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clarky
Gold Member
I have a capable gaming PC at home, but nice try at a backtrack.
DryvBy
Member
Sony: why our PS5 sales are dropping so fast guys?
People: we have no games to play on it, exclusively.
Sony:
Its 2024, most households own a decent gaming PC, if you want ppl to keep buying a PS5 make great games for it already Jesus fuck. Bloodborne 2, BLoodborne remake, Wolverine, new TLOU, new uncharted, more unique IP's like Stellar Blade, etc. cmon gives us something ffs.
Most people don't own a decent gaming PC. That's fantasy land. And in corporate world, not hitting goals doesn't mean your system isn't selling anymore than when a big shot CEO says a metacritic score of 93 needs to be hit to pay out bonuses. They just throw up some number they promise investors and when that doesn't hit, it's bad for the investors. Realistically, we know the PS5 is selling well vs even the PS4.
You should work for a company that does this. It's fun when you don't get paid a bonus for the company not hitting a goal, but then the town hall has them bragging abou the huge profits made every quarter. It's really motivating.
Killjoy-NL
Member
Nvm, misread.
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drganon
Member
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Killjoy-NL
Member
Don't have access to the full Bloomberg article, but what caught my attention was:
"Music streaming and online gaming helped lift revenue"
This would actually make a good case for their Gaas-strategy, despite complaints from the anti-Gaas crowd.
Actually, it's the very reason they are expanding their focus.
"Music streaming and online gaming helped lift revenue"
This would actually make a good case for their Gaas-strategy, despite complaints from the anti-Gaas crowd.
Actually, it's the very reason they are expanding their focus.
Mr Moose
Member
I thought
Mr Reasonable
was a Xbox guy and
clarky
was a PC guy. I have a shit memory though so I could be confusing them with someone else.
clarky
Gold Member
True.I thought
I drink from the cup of Gabe, but do own the consoles so i can get triggered by idiotic statements from time to time.
Tiago Rodrigues
Gold Member
And what about the Dual Shock? Everything PS4-related looks and feels cheaper than the PS5. The Dual Shock 4 looks like it's about to break in my hands. Dual Sense is just a different beast, imo.
Dick Jones
Gold Member
Crazy Ken could have done it as a display of dominance and gifted Takashi a Vita afterwards
ByWatterson
Member
Playstation grows its revenue and profits.
Bloomberg:
Bloomberg:
MDSLKTR
Member
Feels like a elaborated psyop right? Jizzy jez and Tom the wart articles immediately follow and so do the marching orders for Final Fantasy going multiplatform.
TerribleAtThisGame
Member
Most people I know have a $500 laptop for work or to basically pay bills and shit. I'm into gaming enough to post here and I only own a 6 yo laptop.
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
You're a PC gamer but statistics allude you? Damn.
The Latest PC Gaming Statistics (2024)
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explodingtopics.com
I genuinely can't take anyone serious who says most people dont own a gaming PC, regardless how it performs, or if its a gaming laptop.
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clarky
Gold Member
So now your not trying to trigger us but moving the goal posts instead?You're a PC gamer but statistics allude you? Damn.
The Latest PC Gaming Statistics (2024)
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I genuinely can't take anyone serious who says most people dont own a gaming PC, regardless how it performs, or if its a gaming laptop.
Damn.
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TerribleAtThisGame
Member
mayham2199
Member
The numbers speak for themselves. A lot of people are still playing on their PS4. A friend of mine in our group who games daily just upgraded this year because of HD2.
Tiago Rodrigues
Gold Member
Even in hardware PS5 is selling more than the PS4 in the USA, the one country that didn't suffer a prince increase.Playstation grows its revenue and profits.
Bloomberg:
That says it all on why the PS5 has yet to surpass the PS4's WW sales.
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
What goal posts did I move?
Sirolf
Member
Exactly..Here in France most people have laptops not desktops..And the ones who have desktops, they are pretty much a very mundane machine.
clarky
Gold Member
You said decent gaming PC's.
Unless you are suggesting integrated graphics chips (over 70% of the market) are decent gaming PC's ? In which case it would be those goal posts
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
A 27% drop yoy in not great at all. You can see below that the PS4 did not have a drop and continued selling 3+ million for another three years. This is definitely a cause for concern. And they definitely need to lower the price going forward. They are pricing out the very people they need to finish the gen strong. Eventually, focusing on profits over hardware sales will come back to bite them in the ass. MS's profits were pretty high as well. Until they werent.
You HAVE to grow the install base. That's console business 101. It's shocking to me that Sony doesnt realize this after 30 years of being in this business. Get the price down to $299, release some exclusives people actually want to play, and you will get that influx of users who will invest back into the eco system. Xbox sales are catering, switch is done. Sony should be cleaning up here, but they are waiting too long and once the Switch 2 comes out, they will lose all the people on the fence to Nintendo. This is the time to strike and appeal to the casuals who simply cannot afford these $500 consoles.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Very true, especially for the European market where PS5 is starting to lag behind PS4's lifetime sales. Casual gamers need incentives to upgrade from their old PS4s, and reducing the MSRP is a good way to do that, along with having quality software ofc.
I understand that the BOM is likely still high, so it may not be favorable for Sony to permanently cut the PS5 price (they've been opting for promotional pricing instead). However, they will need to take action to get more hardware into the hands of consumers. I suppose the rumored PS5 Pro might also help with moving more HW later this year, so we'll have to wait and see on that.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Is it just me or is 2.4 million for the quarter really low for a PlayStation console at this point in the lifecycle? Or at least lower than one'd expect? That would be 2.4 million from April - June; it's not like no big games released during the period (Stellar Blade, for example). Also you'd think the number would be higher considering:
Also IIRC the gap between PS5 and PS4 has now increased vs. the last reporting, rather than shrunk. Look, I'm not here to speculate reasons why the sales may be "soft", although I could, and probably get drawn into long-ass debates about things I've already mentioned in the past. I'm just noting that the number seems a bit low considering other factors going on that theoretically should've helped PS5 have stronger sales and pass PS4 sales by now.
Yet there's a certain large elephant in the room, that I and others have constantly been told isn't "a real issue", that is one of the only factors around that could in part explain the numbers being softer than expected on hardware sales front. Not the only factor, of course; and again, no (permanent) price cut (there have been pricing promotions, especially across Europe, the past few months here and there IIRC), weak Yen, and certain global economic factors play a part (the last one outside of SIE's control).
But here we are
SlimySnake
well it's a bit difficult to release exclusives when
So yeah, SIE have created a lot of little problems for themselves over the years, though I also acknowledge COVID lockdowns did screw up some of the dev pipeline (as it did for all companies), and that's not something to be held against SIE. In fact I'd say SIE handled the pandemic era better than most when it came to releasing big games (even if many were cross-gen).
-The collapse of Xbox sales globally
-The downturn of Switch sales globally in most markets (Japan is an outlier)
-Barely any new PS4s being produced
Also IIRC the gap between PS5 and PS4 has now increased vs. the last reporting, rather than shrunk. Look, I'm not here to speculate reasons why the sales may be "soft", although I could, and probably get drawn into long-ass debates about things I've already mentioned in the past. I'm just noting that the number seems a bit low considering other factors going on that theoretically should've helped PS5 have stronger sales and pass PS4 sales by now.
Yet there's a certain large elephant in the room, that I and others have constantly been told isn't "a real issue", that is one of the only factors around that could in part explain the numbers being softer than expected on hardware sales front. Not the only factor, of course; and again, no (permanent) price cut (there have been pricing promotions, especially across Europe, the past few months here and there IIRC), weak Yen, and certain global economic factors play a part (the last one outside of SIE's control).
But here we are
SlimySnake
well it's a bit difficult to release exclusives when -You only focus on AAA traditional games and AAA GAAS titles (both of which take many years, lots of money, and large teams to make)
-Cancelled some of your biggest AAA GAAS titles in the works (TLOU2 Factions, Insomniac's Spiderman GAAS title, etc.)
-Don't have very many internal AA games in production (Astro Bot is one of the very few)
-Don't have very many AA games in production through partnership with 3P (LEGO Horizon is one of the very few)
-Have kind of created the perception that your "exclusive" console games are just timed exclusives until they get ported to PC
-Have a growing generation of gamers who don't have FOMO for games aside of COD, Fortnite, Roblox, Minecraft etc. so they can wait for price cuts & PC ports
So yeah, SIE have created a lot of little problems for themselves over the years, though I also acknowledge COVID lockdowns did screw up some of the dev pipeline (as it did for all companies), and that's not something to be held against SIE. In fact I'd say SIE handled the pandemic era better than most when it came to releasing big games (even if many were cross-gen).
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DryvBy
Member
8 billion people, moron. You think 4 billion+ own a decent gaming PC?You're a PC gamer but statistics allude you? Damn.
The Latest PC Gaming Statistics (2024)
The latest data and statistics related to PC gaming, including the number of gamers, market revenue, and comparisons to other platforms.
I genuinely can't take anyone serious who says most people dont own a gaming PC, regardless how it performs, or if its a gaming laptop.
clarky
Gold Member
Who rattled your cage?"Cup" is an interesting euphemism for anus.
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Yeah my guy, just because they cant play cyberpunk 2077 with PT on their PC or laptop doesnt mean theyre not PC gamers or lack a decent PC. The majority of steam games are indies that run on potatoes. I never moved any goal. I simply stated facts that seemed to have triggered the console fanboys. You saying ure a PC gamer is quite odd but then again I am a Sony gamer as well as a PC gamer so who knows.
Woopah
Member
It's likely they overshipped last quarter, so couldn't ship as many this quarter. Plus it was a pretty weak quarter for everyone in terms of games.Is it just me or is 2.4 million for the quarter really low for a PlayStation console at this point in the lifecycle? Or at least lower than one'd expect? That would be 2.4 million from April - June; it's not like no big games released during the period (Stellar Blade, for example). Also you'd think the number would be higher considering:
-The collapse of Xbox sales globally-The downturn of Switch sales globally in most markets (Japan is an outlier)-Barely any new PS4s being produced
Also IIRC the gap between PS5 and PS4 has now increased vs. the last reporting, rather than shrunk. Look, I'm not here to speculate reasons why the sales may be "soft", although I could, and probably get drawn into long-ass debates about things I've already mentioned in the past. I'm just noting that the number seems a bit low considering other factors going on that theoretically should've helped PS5 have stronger sales and pass PS4 sales by now.
Yet there's a certain large elephant in the room, that I and others have constantly been told isn't "a real issue", that is one of the only factors around that could in part explain the numbers being softer than expected on hardware sales front. Not the only factor, of course; and again, no (permanent) price cut (there have been pricing promotions, especially across Europe, the past few months here and there IIRC), weak Yen, and certain global economic factors play a part (the last one outside of SIE's control).
But here we are
clarky
Gold Member
Again you said most household have decent gaming PC's.
One could argue a fire stick is a decent gaming PC if i wanted to, but it not is it?
Just take the L and move on.
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The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Reading statistics is hard.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
Remember that those 2.4M PS5 units they've reported are shipped units not sold to consumer. I think they've over-shipped last quarter in order to reach that hefty guidance of 23M PS5 or whatever it was (they failed in doing that anyway). The sold to consumer number for this fiscal quarter should be a bit higher than 2.4M imo.Is it just me or is 2.4 million for the quarter really low for a PlayStation console at this point in the lifecycle? Or at least lower than one'd expect? That would be 2.4 million from April - June; it's not like no big games released during the period (Stellar Blade, for example). Also you'd think the number would be higher considering:
-The collapse of Xbox sales globally-The downturn of Switch sales globally in most markets (Japan is an outlier)-Barely any new PS4s being produced
Also IIRC the gap between PS5 and PS4 has now increased vs. the last reporting, rather than shrunk. Look, I'm not here to speculate reasons why the sales may be "soft", although I could, and probably get drawn into long-ass debates about things I've already mentioned in the past. I'm just noting that the number seems a bit low considering other factors going on that theoretically should've helped PS5 have stronger sales and pass PS4 sales by now.
Yet there's a certain large elephant in the room, that I and others have constantly been told isn't "a real issue", that is one of the only factors around that could in part explain the numbers being softer than expected on hardware sales front. Not the only factor, of course; and again, no (permanent) price cut (there have been pricing promotions, especially across Europe, the past few months here and there IIRC), weak Yen, and certain global economic factors play a part (the last one outside of SIE's control).
But here we are
Fake
Gold Member
A 27% drop yoy in not great at all. You can see below that the PS4 did not have a drop and continued selling 3+ million for another three years. This is definitely a cause for concern. And they definitely need to lower the price going forward. They are pricing out the very people they need to finish the gen strong. Eventually, focusing on profits over hardware sales will come back to bite them in the ass. MS's profits were pretty high as well. Until they werent.
You HAVE to grow the install base. That's console business 101. It's shocking to me that Sony doesnt realize this after 30 years of being in this business. Get the price down to $299, release some exclusives people actually want to play, and you will get that influx of users who will invest back into the eco system. Xbox sales are catering, switch is done. Sony should be cleaning up here, but they are waiting too long and once the Switch 2 comes out, they will lose all the people on the fence to Nintendo. This is the time to strike and appeal to the casuals who simply cannot afford these $500 consoles.
Software did a huge job for PS4 and this is where PS5 fail miserably. As Nintendo Switch keep proving that software are important for the hardware legs. Sony relying on third parties this gen is very embarrassing.
Still can't understand why some folks here are talking about PS5 pro. I don't remember PS4pro helping base PS4 on sales at all.
Was the price drop that helped.
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The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Again, yes, the majority own a decent gaming PC. I never backed from that statement. I just explained and you ignored because thats what ignorants do. Sry that fact trigger you.
Skifi28
Member
You came in here, derailed the thread while looking like an absolute clown in the process and everyone that used common sense to call you out on your bullshit (which you immediately retracted going from "decent gaming PC" by your own words to just about anything that can play indie games) is a console fanboy that got triggered, apparently. If this is how you normally post, how are you not banned yet? The only fanboy here is looking at you in the mirror.
StereoVsn
Member
I think the idea is that when PS5 Pro releases, Sony would drop the base PS5 price as they need to have a decent gap between regular and Pro and can’t really price Peo sky high.
So hypothetically if they release Pro at $599, they could have PS5 Disk at $400 and PS5 Slim for $350.
They have to drop the price of regular PS5 and try to convert folks still sitting on their PS4 and Xbox One.
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Common sense is admitting the fact that most people own a decent gaming PC. Calling me out are not facts when this forum is known for its extreme console fanboys. I never retracted from anything. Reading is hard and it seems some of you clearly have an agenda and were severely triggered by facts. Peace out guy.
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clarky
Gold Member
Now you're on about indy titles and potatoes. Id call that a back track.
Like i said youve shifted the goal posts because you initial statement stated most households have decent gaming PC's. A potato doesn't fall into that bracket as far as im aware.
FWIW.
Id define a decent gaming PC as one that has dedicated graphics. Doesn't have to be a 4090.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
I don't think Sony really has a choice. This is the potential crossing of the streams for the first time since the Wii era. Sony went all in on AAA high budget graphics which outspent what Nintendo was capable of, and opened up this huge gap. Now, those games take so long to make they are coming out once a generation per team, safe and less inventive and loaded with monetization. Meanwhile, Nintendo has a pipeline of games that will remain faster to develop, easier to release rapidly, packaged likely in another hybrid console that appeals to younger gamers and with AI-uprez could be within spitting distance of a Series S. Meanwhile Jedi Survivor is coming out on PS4. It's not really something Sony can snap their fingers and change. This is the two paths they've been on for 20 years.
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