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[Bloomberg]Sony reported strong 1Q earnings,meanwhile, pace of PS5 hardware sales decline faster than what market had expected is a concern.
Fake
Gold Member
No? Sony doesn't own the company as far as I remember. 'Games from first party', remember? Now, if you gonna call exclusive, well thats a valid case.
bender
What time is it?
Something like Insomniac, pre-acquisition, developing exclusive titles for Sony in which Sony owned the IP would have been considered second party.
Portugeezer
Member
Big games are still getting PS4 versions which is kind of absurd. Some people won't jump to PS5 unless they need to.
yurinka
Member
First party games are the games published by the platform holder of the device.
Third party games are those not published by the platform holder.
The first party games developed by a lead dev team not owned by the platform holder are sometimes called 2nd party, but still are first party.
The distinction between 1st or 3rd party is about who publishes the game. Not who owns the IP or who totally or partially funded it.
Cases of 2nd party games: Bayonetta 3 is a first party game even if Sega owns the IP and Platinum developed it because Nintendo published it. Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin are 1st party (specifically 2nd party) because Sony publishes them, even if Sony doesn't own their IP (even if many of the people who worked in the game are from Sony or paid/managed by Sony). Same with MS and let's say Mass Effect 1, it was 2nd party and EA got the IP. In other 2nd party cases like Helldivers 2 or Bloodborne, Sony owns the IP.
I assume that depending on the case the publishers consider it's worth it to pay an extra and keep the IP for themselves, but in other cases they prefer a cheaper deal and give the IP to the devs, who may be more interested on it than the publisher.
In this case, FF Rebirth is published by Square, so it's a 3rd party exclusive. The other ones are published by Sony, so are 1st party. Since the lead dev teams of these 1st party games aren't owned by Sony, they're also 2nd party.
In the we believe in generations talk he absolutely never said that they were not going to make crossgen games. Or even hinted at it.
What Jim Ryan clearly said there was the opposite, that they were going to continue supporting PS4 for several years after the PS5 launch because there was a way bigger than usual amount of active users there, that they expected to jump to PS5 later than usual. He also said that he wanted to see the PS5 games in general using the next gen features like super fast loading, haptic feedback, adaptative triggers and 3D audio.
Basically he did is what has been happening and what they have been doing.
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Luminoth-4545
Member
The revised forecast was 21M which they only just missed.
mayham2199
Member
That's fine I wasn't trying to make fun of the comment or anything like that. It was just brought up because I believe we wont see that sort of talk from PS5 to PS6.
All of those were first party except FF even then I don't see how thats important in driving sales. I don't understand what you think is specifically different with Helldivers.
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Dr. Wilkinson
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….Helldivers drove interest and sold consoles. Is the difference. Hence why since then console sales have stagnated, after the initial craze around Helldivers has settled out. You can’t go 6 months without a new big game to drive interest in the platform, and then wonder why no one’s buying your system. It’s really not rocket science.
Little Chicken
Gold Member
yurinka
Member
Well, I think that in addition to the huge active userbase there are more key reasons of why PS4 got support that long and that were already a thing years before they saw the active userbase it had in the launch year:
- Big AAA games require more time to be made every generation. In recent times many AAA released were started 5-9 years or even more. Meaning, they were started to be made without having PS5 devkits or even its tech specs, which devs got (not final ones) late 2018/early 2019. So during several years these games were being made for PS4 and at some point they received the PS5 stuff and then started to also make the PS5. So same will happen in the next gen.
- GaaS: for devs it's cheaper and less risky to release new updates, DLC and expansions of a successful game than to make a brand new one. So once they get a money cow they milk it as much as they can. Players engaged + good enough updates = players engaged for longer. It's very difficult to start from scatch with a new game and replicate that level of success, so devs prefer to keep updating the old game and to don't lose the previous gen userbase.
- AAA getting more and more expensive means devs have to release them in the biggest amount of places possible to make that money back
Where can I double check the amount of PS5 game copies and consoles sold by each game? Can you also share these numbers, please?
Also, they don't need to wonder "why no one's buying their system" because this is not happening at all. Even with the chip shortages period, the components price increases that made them increase the console prices instead of price cutting it, and with Switch being in track to be the most successful Nintendo console ever, they are almost at PS4 and PS2 levels launch aligned. Only 1.8M under PS4. And with a record amount of people still hasn't upgraded from PS4, pretty likely for many of them because series like CoD, AC or GTA still haven't got their PS5 gen only games.
PS5 hardware sales decreases because it's what happens in all consoles when they passed the peak of the yearly sales curve that all consoles have. That peak most prequently is somewhere between the 2nd and the 4th year, and for PS5 was the 3rd.
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Woopah
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Nintendo tends to publish 10 or more games each year. That's fairly fast.
First party means published by the platform holder. Neither IP nor studio ownership are required.
This year's Sony first party games have been:
- TLOU2 remaster
- Helldivers 2
- MLB The Show 2024
- Rise of the Ronin
- Stellar Blade
I wasn't expecting anything. I didn’t sell my PS5 or anything like that. I just play PS4 abroad. I meant even if I didn't buy PS5 for the countless PS5 only games I've played on it I would never willingly use a PS4 today if I had a choice of a PS5.
ZiggyPop1991
Member
Context matter. It is selling less than the ps4 did by less than 2 milllion units with no price drop and barely any of the big name games out yet. By this time the ps4 had a price cut and the pro released. Yes they’re selling less in those terms. But the fact they’re selling at all at $500 with no 2024 big hitters and during inflation is a feat. I just hope they don’t get greedier and lazier.
chromatic9
Member
PS5 disc based are still very expensive in the UK, around £440. PS5 digital is £350.
£90 premium for a disc drive is crazy. The digital game prices are obscene which is why they push the discless model but people want the options to get cheaper games, at least the next phase of customers and also want a cheaper system overall. It's a shame you can't rely on digital prices outside of random short sales. £440 is high end pricing for a new console, even £400 would be steep.
£90 premium for a disc drive is crazy. The digital game prices are obscene which is why they push the discless model but people want the options to get cheaper games, at least the next phase of customers and also want a cheaper system overall. It's a shame you can't rely on digital prices outside of random short sales. £440 is high end pricing for a new console, even £400 would be steep.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
And next.......Astrobot!!!
Woopah
Member
Yep, Astobot this month and Lego Horizon are the final third party games of the year from Sony.
