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[Bloomberg] Trump Plans Defiant Final Week as Many Democrats Urge His Ouster

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-10/trump-plans-defiant-final-week-as-many-democrats-urge-his-ouster

Banned from social media and abandoned by some staff after inciting a riot at the U.S. Capitol, President Donald Trump and a dwindling circle of advisers plan a defiant final week in office, according to people familiar with the matter.

Trump is confident Vice President Mike Pence and members of his cabinet won’t attempt to remove him under the 25th Amendment, the people said. Pence is dismissive of the idea of trying to use that authority to drive Trump from office, one person said.

The president and some allies also believe Democrats are overreaching by trying to once again impeach him over Wednesday’s mob at the Capitol, and think Senate conviction would be unlikely in any event.

One adviser called Democratic consideration of impeachment a political gift to Trump. Pence hasn’t discussed the 25th Amendment beyond privately dismissing the approach as not feasible, according to a person familiar with the matter.

Trump and Pence haven’t spoken since Wednesday, though, when the vice president sheltered in place at the Capitol after the building was stormed by Trump supporters. Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma told the Tulsa World newspaper he’d “never seen Pence as angry” as he was after being blasted by Trump for not intervening in the congressional count of Electoral College votes. Trump tweeted that Pence lacked “courage.”

Trump plans to run out the clock on his four years in office by highlighting what he believes are his biggest accomplishments, including the barrier his administration built on at least part of the U.S. border with Mexico. A trip to Alamo, Texas, near the border is expected on Tuesday, a White House spokesman said.

Trump is also preparing at least one more round of pardons, and will try a final time to advance his administration’s effort to bring Big Tech to heel, the people said, though it isn’t clear what he may do.

In sum, it’s a last-ditch attempt to rehabilitate Trump’s legacy after his supporters stormed the Capitol on Wednesday, resulting in five deaths including that of a Capitol Police officer.

Trump has given no indication that he’s considering resigning, as many Democrats and some Republicans have demanded. A small group of House Republicans wrote to Joe Biden on Saturday, pleading with him to persuade Speaker Nancy Pelosi to back off impeachment as an olive branch in the interest of national unity.

Trump’s apparent confidence belies his political and legal peril. Congressional Democrats are furious about the Capitol riot and are determined to hold the president accountable. Some Republicans have said his actions merit impeachment, including Senator Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania.

Federal prosecutors also haven’t ruled out charging Trump, among many others, for his role in the assault on the Capitol, while pledging that the ongoing investigation will not be politically targeted.

Trump’s views on the matter normally wouldn’t be much of a secret. But without his Twitter account, @realDonaldTrump, and after a failed, whack-a-mole effort to post from alternative accounts, an eerie silence has descended over the White House.

Inside, Trump has spoken with aides including Mark Meadows, Jared Kushner, Dan Scavino and Kayleigh McEnany, the people said. Outside the building, there’s public clamor to remove Trump before his term ends. Some 57% of Americans want the president removed immediately, a Reuters/Ipsos poll published Friday found, while nearly 70% disapprove of Trump’s actions leading up to the Capitol riot.

Talk of impeachment or removal from office would make Trump a martyr to his base, one person said. If the vice president led an effort to remove him, it would only reinforce Trump’s declarations that a “deep state” of government bureaucrats has long been bent on opposing him, another said.


Base Galvanized
Between the impeachment movement and Trump’s censorship by social media, the president and his advisers believe his supporters are galvanized. Trump feels impeachment could have a boomerang effect on Democrats, one person said, while another dismissed it as the latest Democratic witch hunt.

Trump and his team will respond to the Twitter ban during his final week in office by leaning into his fight against what he’s called censorship of Republicans by large technology companies. The president has long demanded that Congress revoke Section 230, a liability waiver social media companies depend upon to allow relatively unfettered speech on their platforms. He’ll likely amplify that call, though Biden’s inauguration on Jan. 20 and Democrats’ takeover of the Senate is expected to snuff out prospects for any change to the law for now.

Trump has prepared several executive orders related to Big Tech companies but it’s not clear if any will be issued, one person said.

It isn’t clear if Trump’s team is yet preparing for a Senate impeachment trial. White House counsel Pat Cipollone won’t be involved, after leading Trump’s defense during his first impeachment a year ago, in part because his job ends with Biden’s inauguration, one person familiar with the matter said. Deputy Counsel Pat Philbin also will not not participate, the person said.

Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani didn’t respond to messages seeking comment on Saturday. Neither did Alan Dershowitz, professor emeritus at Harvard Law School, or Jay Sekulow, an outside attorney, who both represented Trump at his first impeachment trial.

The Senate won’t reconvene until Jan. 19 and Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said Friday in a memo to colleagues that a trial can’t begin before then unless all 100 senators consent to it -- an exceedingly unlikely development, as Trump retains allies among Republicans in the chamber.
 
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JORMBO

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He could do the right thing and give us one quiet week. I wouldn’t mind some pardons for Assange and Snowden though.
 

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Well if they are already threatening him with Prison (for what?) after he is done why wouldn't he go scorched earth? He might be a lot more sympathetic to the likes of Snowden and Assange considering he has experienced what the Government is! Think he is going to be loyal to that deep state shithole now?
 

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Jack Nicholson Reaction GIF
 

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after inciting a riot at the U.S. Capitol
The very first line of the article is either objectively untrue, or at the very least very questionable. It really makes you want to read the rest...

What ever happened to journalistic conventions, which simply required to write : "after having been accused of inciting"? Or "after many say he incited".
 

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The very first line of the article is either objectively untrue, or at the very least very questionable. It really makes you want to read the rest...

What ever happened to journalistic conventions, which simply required to write : "after having been accused of inciting"? Or "after many say he incited".

Trump encouraged his followers to be in DC on the 6th. While there, he told them to march to the Capitol building. He may not have been the spark, but he unquestionably laid out the kindling and provided the needed air.
 

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Self-promotion. His main motivator.
He can do a lot more good than you think in those few days.

Sign contractual obligations for drilling rights for example. His administration been doing that in places like Guyana and Exxon. They’ve also widened their stance on Venezuela and increased monitoring last week.

These things don’t get attention bc you know
 
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The very first line of the article is either objectively untrue, or at the very least very questionable. It really makes you want to read the rest...

What ever happened to journalistic conventions, which simply required to write : "after having been accused of inciting"? Or "after many say he incited".

They did it to please daddy who cried foul all month and encouraged them to protest and serve the country (serve him).
 
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He can do a lot more good than you think in those few days.
Sure, that would be good. Let's see what happens.

My point is that he's had 4 years to do this. Even if he manages some good here, it's clearly about a final push to salvage his reputation and legacy and promote his past accomplishments. Self-promotion.
 

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The very first line of the article is either objectively untrue, or at the very least very questionable. It really makes you want to read the rest...

What ever happened to journalistic conventions, which simply required to write : "after having been accused of inciting"? Or "after many say he incited".
Journalistic ethics and standards haven't been a thing for generations.
 
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Sure, that would be good. Let's see what happens.

My point is that he's had 4 years to do this. Even if he manages some good here, it's clearly about a final push to salvage his reputation and legacy and promote his past accomplishments. Self-promotion.

He been doing all that for the least 4 years but these agreements take time to negotiate.

Plus these agreements are a normal cycle of any presidency including Obama’s where he didn’t renew drilling rights in Pennsylvania before he left.

My point there is that don’t assume he’s not doing any good in his final days. Most presidents do and most president’s don’t.
 

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He been doing all that for the least 4 years but these agreements take time to negotiate.

Plus these agreements are a normal cycle of any presidency including Obama’s where he didn’t renew drilling rights in Pennsylvania before he left.

My point there is that don’t assume he’s not doing any good in his final days. Most presidents do and most president’s don’t.
If he does good, then I'll acknowledge it. He's done a few things I approved of in the past.
 

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Yes, that's called a protest, which is what was announced. Marching to the Capitol is what every protest does in Washington. He also said to march "peacefully", in case there's any doubt.
What makes this different is breaking into federal property and destroying property. 5 dead doesn't help either.
 
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What makes this different is breaking into federal property and destroying property. 5 dead doesn't help either.
Yes, but that wasn’t what was planned, and that’s not what Trump encouraged. Trump organized a protest and told them to peacefully march down Pennsylvania Avenue, like any protest. The crowds then got out of hand and stormed into Congress, but that was not what was announced and what Trump asked them to do, unless he has telepathic powers or was speaking in code.

It’s not the first time in history a crowd got out of hand, in fact they tend to do that. Also, whatever happened to the old, « it was a small minority » defense that is used everytime a left-wing protest gets violent?
 

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Yes, but that wasn’t what was planned, and that’s not what Trump encouraged. Trump organized a protest and told them to peacefully march down Pennsylvania Avenue, like any protest. The crowds then got out of hand and stormed into Congress, but that was not what was announced and what Trump asked them to do, unless he has telepathic powers or was speaking in code.

That's why he laid the kindling and provided the (hot) air but not the spark. He still bears at least partial responsibility. People came with bombs, Molotovs, and temporary restraints.
 
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Yeah, but then one would have to similarly blame any political leader or activist that conducts a protest if elements within the protest commit violent acts. Might as well stop any civil activism then.

The people responsible are those that decided to storm the Capitol and basically disobey Trump’s demand they be peaceful. If I lived in the US, I probably would have gone to that protest to march and be counted. If a guy next to me uses the occasion to stage a pitiful uprising, that’s on him, not on me, nor on the leader who said not to do that.
 

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The only thing I hope he does is that he lays the smack down on Big Tech. I don't care which side you're on, left or right... the fact alone that Big Tech was allowed to silence the PRESIDENT is something that a lot of ppl are either deliberately underplaying, or simply do not understand the rammifications.

Maybe its because I'm an outsider... But regardless of anything, sure you can remove a single post or anything if its legitimately bad and/or inflammatory, but to BAN COMPLETELY?... Yes yes shut it with the 'B-BUT MUH PRIVAAHT KUMPANYYYYY REEEEEE!' shit for a second and just think about it since that actually makes it far worse.

If a private entity is allowed to silence the god damn PRESIDENT, doesn't matter who is in the chair... if they can do that... what CAN'T they do?... This shit has far greater overreaching consequences than most people realize and I honestly hope they're smacked the absolute fuck down before Trump leaves coz God and everyone else knows Biden won't do a damn thing since a puppet is incapable of independent thought.

Maybe from the American standpoint its 'no big deal', I dunno... you guys are used to being ruled by corporate overlords for the most part... but from the standpoint of the rest of the world, especially those in South East Asia, its terrifying as fuck and completely unheard of.

please pardon assange and snowden

Seriously asking coz I don't know... but what's to stop Biden reversing the pardon, or them just getting arrested again after the fact?
 
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The very first line of the article is either objectively untrue, or at the very least very questionable. It really makes you want to read the rest...

What ever happened to journalistic conventions, which simply required to write : "after having been accused of inciting"? Or "after many say he incited".
He incited it. Period. Stop defending him...or continue I guess...
 

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Yeah, but then one would have to similarly blame any political leader or activist that conducts a protest if elements within the protest commit violent acts. Might as well stop any civil activism then.

The people responsible are those that decided to storm the Capitol and basically disobey Trump’s demand they be peaceful. If I lived in the US, I probably would have gone to that protest to march and be counted. If a guy next to me uses the occasion to stage a pitiful uprising, that’s on him, not on me, nor on the leader who said not to do that.
Agreed. I don‘t hold BLM organizers responsible and I don’t hold Trump responsible.

There are just some crazy unhinged people out there on both sides. Should we stop all protests because of them?
 

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I hope they just don't do another impeachment. He won't run again. It's too late now. He's lost too much support.

Anyway... He's kept the entertainment HIGH for 4 years .. hope he just flips everyone off and leaves with his head held high. Or something like that.
 
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Agreed. I don‘t hold BLM organizers responsible and I don’t hold Trump responsible.

There are just some crazy unhinged people out there on both sides. Should we stop all protests because of them?

The protest organizers in general should definitely be held responsible if the protest they organized gets out of hand. But that isn't even the problem anymore. The problem ever since BLM started its crap is the hypocrisy of the left... they don't get to say 'ARREST TRUMP!' or what not when they've spent months burning, looting and murdering, and apparently are still doing it in some states/cities.

If BLM/Antifa gets the EXACT SAME TREATMENT, then nobody will disagree that the mob on the 6th should be punished. But until its actually legitimately fair for all, there's always going to be defenders because what they're defending is not necessarily the mob, they're defending the principle of LEGITIMATE EQUALITY AND FAIRNESS... something which apparently doesn't fucking exist anymore.
 

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Trump encouraged his followers to be in DC on the 6th. While there, he told them to march to the Capitol building. He may not have been the spark, but he unquestionably laid out the kindling and provided the needed air.
Then say that. Don't state as fact "Trump incited a riot/insurrection/coup" because it's not fact.
What makes this different is breaking into federal property and destroying property. 5 dead doesn't help either.
Trump explictly told the crowds to do the opposite of that.
 

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Cut him some slack. He was told the stolen ballots for him were located in the basement of the Alamo!
 
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