Boy Scouts of America allows two all-girl troops to form in Central Alabama

LMJ

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Well to be fair I feel like the above is the way the Boy Scouts is heading, things were far more segregated in the past than they are today, in fact the scouts at this point might as well drop the Boy from their title

As a former scout I feel as long as the core values stay the same, that it doesn't matter what kind of youth join.
 
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There should be nothing wrong with an all boys club that lets boys be boys, lets them learn how to become men together, that promotes brotherhood, etc. There isn't some natural good in being more inclusive or more diverse. Just because you call something progressive doesn't make the encapsulated ideas less regressive.

Likewise, girl scouts are fine. And an all inclusive kids scouts is fine, too, just not as a forced replacement for the others.

If ever we actually needed an actual all boys boy scouts, that time is now. Boys and girls, by and large, are very different. They often learn differently, play differently, mature differently, bully differently, etc. Putting our heads in the sand and ignoring this does our kids no good. That we've gotten to this point in our culture where even saying this will trigger people is fucking crazy. It's like a bunch of fucking idjits got together and decided to throw out millennia of evolutionary biology. I can only hope we rebound into some common sense.
 
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These are standard Western principles for masculinity, stretching deep into our stoic, Christian roots. While it is just one traditional organization among many, the focus of Scouts was and always has been to raise boys of good character. It's evident in the Oath, in the Scouts literature, and throughout the Scout's history.

Even from a biological standpoint, our males must be taught to be helpful (to help their pregnant mates), to stay physically strong (so that you can provide), to be mentally awake and morally straight (to maintain family cohesion and to avoid dangers), and to obey moral and civil laws (to maintain national cohesion).

The twelve points of Scout Law are that a Scout must be Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, Reverent. Any parent of boys can spot some good ones that pertain primarily to boys (Loyal, Courteous, Obedient, Clean) moreso than girls because boys specifically struggle to learn these social behaviors.

The program has some fun stuff in it like camping and fishing, but most parents aren't signing up their kids for Scouts simply because they want them to learn how to tie knots and go fishing. They want their boys to learn the values of the Scouts.

Of course, I am not implying that any of these values or behaviors are boy-exclusive. That's not pertinent to the discussion anyway. The organization was started with a purpose -- to raise good boys -- and that purpose has been subverted in the name of "not excluding girls". Can the purpose of the Scouts still be carried out? Sure, I think people can still remain true to the original purpose, but if we see a New Revised Scout Oath tHaT iS MoRe InClUsIvE come out in the next decade it will be safe to say the Scouts are dead and buried.

Quite a shame. Boys are in crisis in this society and we continue to hinder and damage them with our choices in the name of "equality".
Just reposting this because everyone should read it at least twice.
 
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The boy scouts changes over the years has nothing to do with what the girl scouts offer / don't offer. What happened is simple. The boy scouts have been decimated by lawsuits, as well as by other reasons for reduced enrollment due to things like changing family focuses and the difficulties of being an active scout and athlete at the same time. In hopes of turning the tide, they downplayed the historical duty to God part of their program to make it more attractive to non-Christians. In addition, they began taking corporate minded advice on appeasing the left leaning segment of the country in hopes of increased enrollment. That brings us to today - they are now a formerly Christian focused group dedicated to helping boys grow into men, who is sending warnings to its members to not listen too much to bankruptcy talk without denying it outright, and whose mission seems a bit unknown. Its a shitty situation, and a lesson for everyone on the dangers of putting profits over core values.
 
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There should be nothing wrong with an all boys club that lets boys be boys, lets them learn how to become men together, that promotes brotherhood, etc. There isn't some natural good in being more inclusive or more diverse. Just because you call something progressive doesn't make the encapsulated ideas less regressive.

Likewise, girl scouts are fine. And an all inclusive kids scouts is fine, too, just not as a forced replacement for the others.

If ever we actually needed an actual all boys boy scouts, that time is now. Boys and girls, by and large, are very different. They often learn differently, play differently, mature differently, bully differently, etc. Putting our heads in the sand and ignoring this does our kids no good. That we've gotten to this point in our culture where even saying this will trigger people is fucking crazy. It's like a bunch of fucking idjits got together and decided to throw out millennia of evolutionary biology. I can only hope we rebound into some common sense.
Well put.
 
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These are standard Western principles for masculinity, stretching deep into our stoic, Christian roots. While it is just one traditional organization among many, the focus of Scouts was and always has been to raise boys of good character. It's evident in the Oath, in the Scouts literature, and throughout the Scout's history.

Even from a biological standpoint, our males must be taught to be helpful (to help their pregnant mates), to stay physically strong (so that you can provide), to be mentally awake and morally straight (to maintain family cohesion and to avoid dangers), and to obey moral and civil laws (to maintain national cohesion).

The twelve points of Scout Law are that a Scout must be Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, Reverent. Any parent of boys can spot some good ones that pertain primarily to boys (Loyal, Courteous, Obedient, Clean) moreso than girls because boys specifically struggle to learn these social behaviors.

The program has some fun stuff in it like camping and fishing, but most parents aren't signing up their kids for Scouts simply because they want them to learn how to tie knots and go fishing. They want their boys to learn the values of the Scouts.

Of course, I am not implying that any of these values or behaviors are boy-exclusive. That's not pertinent to the discussion anyway. The organization was started with a purpose -- to raise good boys -- and that purpose has been subverted in the name of "not excluding girls". Can the purpose of the Scouts still be carried out? Sure, I think people can still remain true to the original purpose, but if we see a New Revised Scout Oath tHaT iS MoRe InClUsIvE come out in the next decade it will be safe to say the Scouts are dead and buried.

Quite a shame. Boys are in crisis in this society and we continue to hinder and damage them with our choices in the name of "equality".
it's still true
 
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