Boy who changed his name from Trump honored by anti-bullying organization

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I don't really get giving him the award for basically giving in and letting the bullies win but whatever.
 

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Surely you don't expect them to call him a coward for changing his name? Looks to me like they gave the award cause he chose to go back into the school system instead of staying homeschooled.
I don’t expect them to join in on the bullying, no, but I don’t expect them to reward behaviour that is the opposite of courage either. What message does that send?
 

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My honest opinion is he should change back. Embrace your name, be proud of your family and your history. There has to be a school or community nearby that won’t tolerate whatever bullying he was dealing with (I don’t have any details).

Send a message that being bullied for a name is stupid as fuck. I understand it’s easy to say this, I’m not the one being bullied, but there has to be less drastic options. Changing your damn name? I feel for the kid
 

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I don’t expect them to join in on the bullying, no, but I don’t expect them to reward behaviour that is the opposite of courage either. What message does that send?
They are injecting politics into it. They are so enraged by Trump so much that in their twisted mind its ok for this kid to be bullyied and change his name even though he has nothing at all to do with Trump.

There is probably 10000's of people with the last name Trump in the US that are not related to Donald or if anything are like 100th cousin or something. This is so stupid.
 

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The org tried to get his parents to not change his name, he got the award for the bullying he already endured.
"This kid wants his last name changed in the school system. For what purpose? These kids need to be held accountable," said Teach Anti Bullying founder and CEO, Dr. Claudio V. Cerullo. "It's a name. His name is Joshua Trump. That's his name and that's what he should be referred to...that's his God-given name."
 
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I don’t expect them to join in on the bullying, no, but I don’t expect them to reward behaviour that is the opposite of courage either. What message does that send?
As I said, it looks they're rewarding him for not hiding at home being homeschooled and instead went back into the school system. And did you even look at the picture in the link? Do you see what name the award was given to?
 

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As I said, it looks they're rewarding him for not hiding at home being homeschooled and instead went back into the school system. And did you even look at the picture in the link? Do you see what name the award was given to?
Interesting.

I maintain that the most courageous action would have been for him to keep his name and learn how to fight back against the bullies and I therefore don't think that he deserves the award. However, I concede that you may have a point.
 

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I had my last name for more than four decades. It's one that can easily be manipulated to form insults. @DunDunDunpachi, can verify this, he knows my name. (Don't come in here and give it out please.)

If I can somehow generate interest, could I get a cool medal and plaque if I changed it now? I don't get bullied anymore, but the preacher got a laugh at my grandfather's funeral unintentionally by misspeaking it.
 
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Interesting.

I maintain that the most courageous action would have been for him to keep his name and learn how to fight back against the bullies and I therefore don't think that he deserves the award. However, I concede that you may have a point.
I'm all for the old eye for an eye. Hell, at this point in my life I can't tell if I was bully or bullied back in school, probably both, really. Anyway it appears the bullies were already disciplined and apologized so he can't really get his retribution in without the story turning against him. Personally I wouldn't be satisfied unless I got my licks in. Ultimately the name change is the parent's decision and they're probably just happy that their kid wasn't so traumatized by the bullying that he ends up shying away from the public. And it's not like he completely abandoned the name, he's just going by his father's name in the school's registry. Legally he's still Joshua Trump.
 

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I'm all for the old eye for an eye. Hell, at this point in my life I can't tell if I was bully or bullied back in school, probably both, really. Anyway it appears the bullies were already disciplined and apologized so he can't really get his retribution in without the story turning against him. Personally I wouldn't be satisfied unless I got my licks in. Ultimately the name change is the parent's decision and they're probably just happy that their kid wasn't so traumatized by the bullying that he ends up shying away from the public. And it's not like he completely abandoned the name, he's just going by his father's name in the school's registry. Legally he's still Joshua Trump.
As a tangential discussion separate to this kid's case, which I believe is a case of genuine bullying, I have a real problem with the way that all negative feedback between children is pathologised as bullying these days. It is often done cynically by overly-empathetic adults who are seeking validation for themselves as protectors and not realising the long-term damage they are doing to children by wrapping them in cotton wool. You cannot simply remove negative feedback in a top-down manner - all that does is provide peace and quiet for the adults in the short-term but does nothing to address the underlying behaviours that brought that feedback in the first place. There are evolutionary reasons for negative feedback in enforcing social conformity. While it does often develop into genuine bullying if left unchecked by adults, it is important to recognise the difference. My view is that bullying should be classed as negative feedback for something that the person cannot change, i.e. immutable characteristics. For example, don't pick on someone for having a wonky face or a disability as there's nothing they can do about it. However, if a child is constantly mouthing off and shit-talking the other kids, they should expect negative feedback so that they don't continue those behaviours into adulthood where it can have much more serious consequences.

In boys, this will often take the form of violence, e.g. schoolyard fights. This is totally normal behaviour and, in my own experience, the boys I got into fights with often ended up becoming my friends afterwards. There's something about male socialisation where fighting actually creates mutual respect, and I believe there is damage being done to male development by adults -- typically females who don't understand male socialisation -- trying to force civility in a top-down manner. It doesn't work and just allows the underlying problems to fester, leading to poorly-developed men if not addressed during childhood. I realise this is controversial, but I believe that some amount of fighting is actually good for boys (fists and wrestling only, obviously no weapons). The over-feminisation of the teaching profession is a big problem in this regard imo.

In girls, it's typically more nasty, less overt behaviours ala Mean Girls, and I don't know quite how to deal with this (god help me if I ever have daughters). I don't have kids yet, but when I do, hopefully in the next couple of years, I will teach my boys to fight back against bullies. I plan to enrol them in self-defense classes from a young age and teach them to only use violence as a response and never to initiate it. What I will not do is teach them to cry to teachers and award them for running away from problems.
 

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While I don't like and don't approve of Trump, bulling a boy only because of the name is just straight up wrong.
 
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Don't blame the kid at all. I can only imagine the kind of shit that he was catching as a result of Trumps antics.
 

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If everything gets resolved and the kid can go to school normally without harassment, then great, but I have a hard time believing that will happen. Changing your name isn't going to stop a bully from bullying,. They will just look for something else about you or find another victim. I wouldn't be surprised if the kid was still bullied after this on the basis of "Once a Trump, always a Trump" because kids are super petty like that.
 

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If everything gets resolved and the kid can go to school normally without harassment, then great, but I have a hard time believing that will happen. Changing your name isn't going to stop a bully from bullying,. They will just look for something else about you or find another victim. I wouldn't be surprised if the kid was still bullied after this on the basis of "Once a Trump, always a Trump" because kids are super petty like that.
 

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If everything gets resolved and the kid can go to school normally without harassment, then great, but I have a hard time believing that will happen. Changing your name isn't going to stop a bully from bullying,. They will just look for something else about you or find another victim. I wouldn't be surprised if the kid was still bullied after this on the basis of "Once a Trump, always a Trump" because kids are super petty like that.
I almost wonder if the publicity of this does more harm than good to the kid as far as moving past this.
 

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I almost wonder if the publicity of this does more harm than good to the kid as far as moving past this.
Of course it does more harm, the kids just have even more ammo to fire at him now...

Also a good thing to keep in mind, let's not pretend this kid is only getting picked on for his name. That's certainly a factor, but in most situations it's more likely an excuse...
 
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I had my last name for more than four decades. It's one that can easily be manipulated to form insults. @DunDunDunpachi, can verify this, he knows my name. (Don't come in here and give it out please.)

If I can somehow generate interest, could I get a cool medal and plaque if I changed it now? I don't get bullied anymore, but the preacher got a laugh at my grandfather's funeral unintentionally by misspeaking it.
Tell me your name and I can bully you for the award :).
 

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Of course it does more harm, the kids just have even more ammo to fire at him now...

Also a good thing to keep in mind, let's not pretend this kid is only getting picked on for his name. That's certainly a factor, but in most situations it's more likely an excuse...
Do we know how the story broke? Did the parents look to make this a story?
 

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When I was 10-11 years old, I did not know shit about politics, especially in "current event" form. This all comes from parenting, nothing more. Yes we are more connected, but 10-11 year olds are not deciphering political avenues. They are playing fucking Fortnite.

This is from their whiney parents at home, who had their children in the cusp of the Obama years, raised them in it, and are now bitching in the home with no filter, and the kids are picking up on it. The responsibilities start and end at home.

I am sure these rogue slacktivist teachers do not help either judging by videos constantly being posted online recording their meltdowns.
 
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did this kid really just get an award for being bullied?

did it make him feel better at least?
 
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I can make sense of this with the following bullet points:
  • Donald Trump is considered a bully by many (rightly or wrongly, it's not my place to decide)
  • Child with a superficial association to the ultimate big bully is bullied for his superficial association with said big bully
  • Child tries to stop being bullied by removing superficial association with said big bully
  • Child receives validation that he did the right thing from an association that prides itself on stopping bullying
???

I got nothin.
 
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Very brave kid for going back to deal with those bullies every day.
This is not brave. It is normal, or at least it should be. Sticking up for oneself should be a thing that every kid needs to go through. Integrating into society is fundamental.
 

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This is not brave. It is normal, or at least it should be. Sticking up for oneself should be a thing that every kid needs to go through. Integrating into society is fundamental.
Nah bro, normal would be changing schools or staying at home school. I don't know how changing his name changes the bullies, but the fact he keeps going to school despite the bullying is brave.
 

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Nah bro, normal would be changing schools or staying at home school. I don't know how changing his name changes the bullies, but the fact he keeps going to school despite the bullying is brave.
If I were to start bullying you right now, how would you react? Would you change forums? Or, would you stick up for yourself? If the latter, how did you come by that amazing skill? Did the anti-bully fairy sprinkle dust on you while you slept?
 

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If I were to start bullying you right now, how would you react? Would you change forums? Or, would you stick up for yourself? If the latter, how did you come by that amazing skill? Did the anti-bully fairy sprinkle dust on you while you slept?
If YOU where to start bullying me? That's nowhere near the same thing.
You're a faceless nobody to me. Another nameless internet user with a pen name and cartoon avatar separated by an unknown distance. You're bullying/antagonism toward me would barely register as a foot note in my day. I could go to your username right now and block you and never know if you where still alive or not. I don't need to go anywhere but I can make you disappear from my point of view.
These are local community kids who he can't just "block" and ignore for the rest of his life and it doesn't take kids long to start resorting to physical bullying. I don't think he's brave for changing his name, that's on him, but he has a lot more guts to keep going to school and live with the bullying.
 
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If YOU where to start bullying me? That's nowhere near the same thing.
You're a faceless nobody to me. Another nameless internet user with a pen name and cartoon avatar separated by an unknown distance. You're bullying/antagonism toward me would barely register as a foot note in my day. I could go to your username right now and block you and never know if you where still alive or not. I don't need to go anywhere but I can make you disappear from my point of view.
These are local community kids who he can't just "block" and ignore for the rest of his life and it doesn't take kids long to start resorting to physical bullying. I don't think he's brave for changing his name, that's on him, but he has a lot more guts to keep going to school and live with the bullying.
So, you would run. OK. Luckily, I'm not a bully. I want to be your friend.
 

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What I think they should have done, since this can be taken as saying it is courageous to give in to bullies demand, is specify the reason for courage award very clearly, and potentially in every statement to avoid misunderstanding.

Kid that changed his name due to bullying is awarded for courage in choosing to RETURN to school.


Is this real life or is this just fantasy?
A real life fantasy.
 
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