SatelliteOfLove
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Still haven't gotten an answer on the "WRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYY" from the pic in the OP. Does Edea "ROHROLLAH DAH" a fool or not?!?
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Bravely Default censored for western release
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Elaugaufein
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The bizarre thing though is that companies that consistently put out things aimed at the same niche audience don't feel the need too, for things like this. It's not because they don't censor at all, they do at times. Since unlike say SE their profitability tends to ride on a knife edge, you'd expect them to be much more sensitive to it, not less.
I understand what a lolita is. However, NO ONE in this thread has even hinted at being upset because they're sexually attracted to these characters. So, that statement is out of line.
Here is my point.
Here is what the FFIV Sprites Looked like back in the day
Here is how the remake looked:
Notice how the managed to evoke the look of the sprites there? Or is Yang all of a sudden a 10 year old?
This is what Tiz looks like in the artwork.
This is what he looks like in game:
It was a intentional artistic choice. That is what chibi-fying generally is. Persona Q is made to evoke the artstyle the EO series uses....not all of a sudden make the characters in 10 year olds. That is my biggest issue with this entire hallabaloo. People are misconstruing simple ass shit as "nope dis id 4 pedos" and it is fucking infuriating to say the least.
Glass Rebel
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You can set custom "shouts" for your special attacks.
partyphone
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It sums up this situation perfectly. The only reason this thread is still going on is because new people come into have the same argument. Though I'm glad it's not locked because this shit is super hilarious.
She's still in a bikini. They didn't put a winter parka on her
Nobody uses loli in conjunction with the term ephebophilia. It's usually a young underdeveloped character,or pettanko. According to that definition, she is a loli:
Yoko is not a loli.
Glass Rebel
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Yeah, because a winter parka wouldn't make any sense.
Elaugaufein
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The hilarious thing is that people on the side of the debate you're not on , feel exactly the same way. Except that I haven't seen anyone on the shouldn't be censored side accuse anyone on the should be side of anything remotely as insulting as pedophile.
The problem is that you have jumped to the conclusion that they are children, merely from looking at the chibi art. You also assume that the majority of the planet see the art and think children.
No. As I have said, the art can easily represent young adults in their 20s. It is only with context can we specifically say that these are teens.
Omce we know these are teens, we can then complain about the sexualisation of teens. Not before.
pancakesandsex
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Maybe people would care if there was stylized artwork attached to the show.
Oh noes, think of the children.
The amount of investment some people have in charecter's digital chastity is really strange to me. But whatever floats their boat as long as they aren't hassling others
At least we can all agree that whatever you think of that it makes little to no effect in society (in fact, as of the last UN studies, Japan's about 15x more safe for real children and women as far as sexual crime is concerned, and they've had full blown loli doujinshi for decades!)
So in light of that can we get less 'thunder from the mountaintop' style posts please? This conversation should go as far as style prefrences and not much further. Surely both sides can talk about it in a reasonable way?
As for my prefrence I'd rather keep original text... costume changes I could go either way, though they rritate my 'banned content' twitch, Even if I understand... it's not a great precedent. If you like forign film/games/whatever, it seems you'd prefer the maximum foriegn flavor good or bad.
At least we can all agree that whatever you think of that it makes little to no effect in society (in fact, as of the last UN studies, Japan's about 15x more safe for real children and women as far as sexual crime is concerned, and they've had full blown loli doujinshi for decades!)
So in light of that can we get less 'thunder from the mountaintop' style posts please? This conversation should go as far as style prefrences and not much further. Surely both sides can talk about it in a reasonable way?
As for my prefrence I'd rather keep original text... costume changes I could go either way, though they rritate my 'banned content' twitch, Even if I understand... it's not a great precedent. If you like forign film/games/whatever, it seems you'd prefer the maximum foriegn flavor good or bad.
FrostuTheNinja
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Whoa, people are still saying that chibi style represents children? Guess all those NES, SNES, Genesis, Playstation and Saturn RPG's I played had nothing but casts of children. What thick skulled idiocy.
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Ah, people aren't reading the thread. I guess that makes sense. I guess...
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Ah, people aren't reading the thread. I guess that makes sense. I guess...
I said age doesn't concern me. If the game tells me how old they are because it's relevant to the story (say character is x years from retirement or they've just left school or whatever) then good for that game, but if it never did I'm not going to cry myself to sleep over it. I mean seriously, why are you honestly trying to argue that you know my own opinion better than myself? It's insane!
The name calling is fucking infuriating, some of those are not even looked like serious response.
But NOPE "Let shame dem as phedopillia!!!"
Oh my god almighty.
I'm not. I'm arguing that I know how stories and fictional works of art work. Your perception of how old the characters are and where they are in their lives affects how you relate to them. Period. Full stop. This is a universal truth of fiction and art and storytelling.
Danny Dudekisser
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I'm literally eating popcorn while a read this. It's good stuff.
I understand this and I'm not as "horrified" as you may think. I just understand the changes and why they were made. The game itself looks very fun and I will probably play it or ad it to the long list of games I buy and never get around to playing but as a whole I am not even nearly against the game.
It seems many here think you are either all for something or all against something. I can think some aspects of a game are unnecessary and think others are ingenious.
It really hurts my brain. I thought it would be obvious.
It just sucks that with these super legit and worth talking about issues...people often tackle the wrong shit. Thus creating a pushback and killing any chance for the progression they want so bad.
Like people are calling for more equality and such, and then turn around and call out some niche ass shit....like wut.
Yes, that is true. However, for conversation and debate to occur, we must first define the terms used. Only when words' meanings are unified can we have a proper conversation.
And unfortunately that is how a lolita is defined.
I would advise everyone to use more specific terms then.
Holy Order Sol
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you bastard I ran out of pringles
I was talking about the game changing the ages from 15+ to 18+. A difference of three years, especially when both can be described as on the older end of the teenage spectrum, is really not going to affect my opinion on them. So, the issue of changing their age does not concern me and it is "universal truth" that my opinion is my own and not yours to tell me what it should be. Seriously, you are just picking holes for the sakes of picking holes.
Personally eating tapioca chips. Having a blast being semantic correcting those who erroneously use the term paedophilia.
Elaugaufein
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Maybe people would care if there was stylized artwork attached to the show.
Oh noes, think of the children.
Books have the distinction of being perceived as Literature (and thus automatically capable of tackling certain issues that you wouldn't touch in general conversation with a 10' poll with a group of strangers) and in the case of (Young) Adult Sci-Fi/Fantasy , niche (which means you don't really need to worry much about the moral censors finding out). This allows them to get away with a lot.
Television doesn't tend to play the same way especially since there's a perception that fantasy based TV shows tend to be teens and young adult focused (if they aren't outright perceived as childish).
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