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I think she will be around for a while.

From Comic Con:
They mentioned Lydia in a panel and implied that she was kinda important.
 
We need to re-visit the Future Walt theory. In this episode, Walt is telling his wife all about how they're doing what they're doing for family, b/c family is so important. However, we know that Walt is really just doing all of this for his ego.

Mike (future walt) is actually doing what he has to do for family by securing a life for his granddaughter. This has to be because in the future, after Walt has lost everything, he finally realizes what's truly important. He goes back to the past to try to get Present Walt on the right path, but he has brought Junior's first born daughter back with him (since Junior dies in a future pancake explosion).
 
Grinchy said:
We need to re-visit the Future Walt theory. In this episode, Walt is telling his wife all about how they're doing what they're doing for family, b/c family is so important. However, we know that Walt is really just doing all of this for his ego.

Mike (future walt) is actually doing what he has to do for family by securing a life for his granddaughter. This has to be because in the future, after Walt has lost everything, he finally realizes what's truly important. He goes back to the past to try to get Present Walt on the right path, but he has brought Junior's first born daughter back with him (since Junior dies in a future pancake explosion).
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Sound theory, looking forward to see if that one pans out.
 
I had a thought, I wonder if the undisclosed incident Hank brought up that got Mike fired as a police officer was the story he talks about in Half Measure. I have got to imagine shoving the barrel of your gun in a suspect's mouth and threatening to kill him is frowned upon.
 
BigAT said:
I had a thought, I wonder if the undisclosed incident Hank brought up that got Mike fired as a police officer was the story he talks about in Half Measure. I have got to imagine shoving the barrel of your gun in a suspect's mouth and threatening to kill him is frowned upon.
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Doubt it. Unless Mike gave himself up, it was his word against a drunk's who caved his wife's skull in.
 
Gorillaz said:
More like she will survive to be the villain.

Im pretty sure lydia will be the one who draws the DEA attention back to walt again. She seems to be the one that will try to fuck this all up on purpose. Thats just me.
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Purely speculation on my part but I have a feeling that Lydia will be the cause of Mike's death. Mike swore after the abusive husband killed his wife that he'd never use a half measure again. This episode, he did, with Lydia, a momentary solution to her wanting everybody that can connect her to criminal activities dead. At the same time, Walter is an incredibly greedy, psychopathic manipulator, somebody with immense pride who always wants more.

I could easily see him kill Mike to eliminate his percentage by making contact with Lydia and being supplied directly by her. Also consider that Mike generally meets with people in pubs or restaurants and Walter, every ricin assassination attempt, planned to put it in a food or beverage. Not to mention that we also got a Mike focused episode and Mike's attachment to Jesse (and likewise). In addition to that, Lydia may once again propose killing the people on the list directly to Walter (after they make contact, assuming they do) whih Walter will be easily able to rationalise and will benefit both of them (while also eliminating Mike).

EDIT: BigAT, I was also under that assumption. If not for that then the result of that for definite. He no longer would use half measures and by turning to full measures only he was eventually thrown off, if not thrown off for what he did in the desert,
 
Yeah, Mike's gonna die, and it's gonna be so so so sad.
 
The point we're undoubtedly going to come back to is that Mike took a half measure. No way Gilligan and the writers would let that go unnoticed and Lydia doesn't end up being a serious threat

Edit: The One Who Knocks summed it all up perfectly
 
I don't get any of you who view Walt as "pure evil". Has he crossed the line? Yes, he has. Time and time again. But you can't ignore the fact that a lot of what he is doing is out of self preservation. Is his ego involved? Yes. Is his pride in his "skill" at this involved? Yes. Is he manipulative? Yes. But "pure evil"? I would say Gus was more evil than Walt is.

Speaking of which, why do so many of you sympathize with Gus? Gus used Jesse to get to Walt (Despite actually trusting him later on). He threatened to kill Walt's entire family including his newborn daughter. He slit Victor's throat. He mentally tortured Hector for years by flaunting the deaths of his loved ones.

I don't think we need to argue the logistics or who is "more bad". They both have elements on humanity and cut-throat businessman.
 
Gus is nothing more than foreshadowing to who Walt is going to become, it has been a slow burn but by the time this show ends we will see it come full circle.

Walt will murder someone for no other reason than to instill fear in someone, mark my words. It will happen.
 
ToyMachine228 said:
I don't get any of you who view Walt as "pure evil". Has he crossed the line? Yes, he has. Time and time again. But you can't ignore the fact that a lot of what he is doing is out of self preservation. Is his ego involved? Yes. Is his pride in his "skill" at this involved? Yes. Is he manipulative? Yes. But "pure evil"? I would say Gus was more evil than Walt is.

Speaking of which, why do so many of you sympathize with Gus? Gus used Jesse to get to Walt (Despite actually trusting him later on). He threatened to kill Walt's entire family including his newborn daughter. He slit Victor's throat. He mentally tortured Hector for years by flaunting the deaths of his loved ones.

I don't think we need to argue the logistics or who is "more bad". They both have elements on humanity and cut-throat businessman.
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The battle is for superconcentrated not just whis is purer.

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I also think people that believe Mike is falling in line and doing a half measure are totally wrong. He's setting up Walt with the help of the lady he spared.

Also, has everyone forgotten that Jesse is still deep undercover.
 
Heisenberg said:
I don't get that impression at all.

Seems to me he knows exactly what he's doing and he is enjoying it.
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I had the same impression as well.

In this scene and in the one in previous episode ("I forgive you") it seemed to me like he was both playing a power game with her and sending an implied message: "After what you did with Ted and the money I'm not willing to dance to your tune anymore. You will dance to mine".
 
I think the Mike death sentence is premature. Can I see Mike dying? Yes. But have I got the vibe that Mike or Walt is actually setting up this partnership with anything but business-minded intentions? No. Walt needs Mike. Probably more than Mike needs Walt.
 
Man, Walt is straight up evil right now! I was one of the few defending him on GAF at the end of season 4, but seeing how Jesse breaks down and how creepy he's being at the end of this episode, he's really going into villain territory and I am loving it, I still cant stand Skylar though, she's been a bitch from the very beginning, and now she's afraid of him, jesus.......
 
THE-Pink-Dagger said:
Man, Walt is straight up evil right now! I was one of the few defending him on GAF at the end of season 4, but seeing how Jesse breaks down and how creepy he's being at the end of this episode, he's really going into villain territory and I am loving it
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Yep, what an awesome main character he is.
 
Fry8 said:
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:lol
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haha, wow.
 
THE-Pink-Dagger said:
Man, Walt is straight up evil right now! I was one of the few defending him on GAF at the end of season 4, but seeing how Jesse breaks down and how creepy he's being at the end of this episode, he's really going into villain territory and I am loving it..
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Everyone is so sure at the end of all this,Walt will be brought down/killed, mostly because that's what happens in TV shows. The Bad guys ultimately loses. But you know what? I really really want Walt to get away with it. Even after all of the shitty vile things he's done, I want him to fake his death leave a shit ton of Money to his family and Jesse and drive off into the sunset. Bad people do bad things all the time and live to a ripe old age. I really want Walter to get away with it all. Now that would be a shocking ending.

The Bad guy wins.
 
ToyMachine228 said:
I think the Mike death sentence is premature. Can I see Mike dying? Yes. But have I got the vibe that Mike or Walt is actually setting up this partnership with anything but business-minded intentions? No. Walt needs Mike. Probably more than Mike needs Walt.
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Yeah but the only bad thing is now Mike is on Hanks radar. Hank when he thinks he is right he goes full DEA mode. Which will be funny seeing Jesse and Mike and Walt together. Hank would shit his pants.
 
googleplex said:
Everyone is so sure at the end of all this,Walt will be brought down/killed, mostly because that's what happens in TV shows. The Bad guys ultimately loses. But you know what? I really really want Walt to get away with it. Even after all of the shitty vile things he's done, I want him to fake his death leave a shit ton of Money to his family and Jesse and drive off into the sunset. Bad people do bad things all the time and live to a ripe old age. I really want Walter to get away with it all. Now that would be a shocking ending.

The Bad guy wins.
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Almost certain this won't happen based on this quote from Vince Gilligan:

If religion is a reaction of man, and nothing more, it seems to me that it represents a human desire for wrongdoers to be punished. I hate the idea of Idi Amin living in Saudi Arabia for the last 25 years of his life. That galls me to no end. I feel some sort of need for biblical atonement, or justice, or something. I like to believe there is some comeuppance, that karma kicks in at some point, even if it takes years or decades to happen. My girlfriend says this great thing that’s become my philosophy as well. 'I want to believe there's a heaven. But I can't not believe there's a hell.
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Wow, I completely overlooked that fact that Mike took a half measure. No way this does not come back to bite him in the ass.

This sucks. I'm now pretty sure Mike and Hank are both going to die. Two of the best characters in the show. If Walt lives in the end (and gets away with all he's done I will rage! :/
 
The problem for me is at this point all I can do is speculate on death on loss for the ending of the show. I just don't see how it turns out even reasonably well for any of the main cast. I don't need rainbows but I would like there to be an ending that's not depressing.
 
BobTheFork said:
The problem for me is at this point all I can do is speculate on death on loss for the ending of the show. I just don't see how it turns out even reasonably well for any of the main cast. I don't need rainbows but I would like there to be an ending that's not depressing.
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Maybe they all meet and enter heaven together after death?
 
Did you guys notice how we don't get to see Walt's face in the last scene? At least for a while.

That happens at the beginning of the episode too, when he's comforting Jesse.

Could that be intentional?
 
Fry8 said:
Did you guys notice how we don't get to see Walt's face in the last scene? At least for a while.

That happens at the beginning of the episode too, when he's comforting Jesse.

Could that be intentional?
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Probably, they did it when he woke up skysky too, that scene was hard to watch.

"Come on, a shower will feel good"
 
So what was the deal with the cigarette again?

Jesse kept the ricin in the cigarette and was supposed to poison Gus. But he never did. And then the kid got sick from the ricin? How did that happen again? I have a poor memory I guess.
 
BobTheFork said:
The problem for me is at this point all I can do is speculate on death on loss for the ending of the show. I just don't see how it turns out even reasonably well for any of the main cast. I don't need rainbows but I would like there to be an ending that's not depressing.
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Good luck with that!

I thought this was a great episode. Mike, Walt, Jesse, Hank... all very compelling.
 
LM4sure said:
So what was the deal with the cigarette again?

Jesse kept the ricin in the cigarette and was supposed to poison Gus. But he never did. And then the kid got sick from the ricin? How did that happen again? I have a poor memory I guess.
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No. Jesse THOUGHT Brock got ahold of the ricin. He didn't. Walt poisoned Brock with the Lily of the Valley plant.
 
Poimandres said:
Good luck with that!

I thought this was a great episode. Mike, Walt, Jesse, Hank... all very compelling.
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What? it has to be depressing? Someone or many of them are going down but there should be some redemptive element for someone. I think would be more than happy is Jesse can just live through it, be clean and marry his girlfriend. No glory, no money, just being better off than he was at the start.
 
Greecian- said:
When Mike has his hand covered over Lydia's mouth, does he whisper something to her? What does he say?
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He tells her to send the nanny/maid home and say she's going to have a shower, I would assume.



Also, just going to say it now, I know we're only 2 episodes in, but I can already tell it's pure evil that we won't see the second half of this season until we've waited a year. I'm sure it's going to end on some horrible cliffhanger.
 
BobTheFork said:
What? it has to be depressing? Someone or many of them are going down but there should be some redemptive element for someone. I think would be more than happy is Jesse can just live through it, be clean and marry his girlfriend. No glory, no money, just being better off than he was at the start.
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Someone might get a happy ending, but I expect most of it to be very bleak.

Jesse... I would very much like to see survive. But I don't think anyone is safe, and there are going to be some pretty harsh scenes ahead.
 
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