LegendofLex
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Think of it this way: by rushing through the story, you cheat yourself out of the process of developing the story in your own imagination as you progress through the game.
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Breath of the Wild is the official subtitle for Zelda U/NX, first gameplay trailer
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Think of it this way: by rushing through the story, you cheat yourself out of the process of developing the story in your own imagination as you progress through the game.
Jim_Cacher
Member
I have played quite a few open world games before and I have never played a system-driven open world game (more about mission-driven or checklist-driven). And your comment sounds kinda... sarcastic, if I am wrong, please bear with me as I'm not a native speaker.
TheMoon
Member
Wait what part sounded sarcastic?
if "grenade rolls down a hill" doesn't mean anything to you, just throw the phrase into google and/or listen to this: https://youtu.be/yy_BO8QtK-c?t=3323
What open-world games did you play that you say weren't systems driven? Stuff I'd count as that type of OW-game is most AssCreed games, inFAMOUS.
Smiles and Cries
Member
I think it is sad that the NX stole the hype for this game
We should be seeing more of this game
I can't even dream of playing anything else next year
We should be seeing more of this game
I can't even dream of playing anything else next year
Neoleo2143
Member
You're probably going to just journey to the Shrines and dungeons and Not Scour the ends of the earth for lore. That's a completely valid way to play. Unless you think you can beat the final dungeon from the beginning.
Where BoTW really differs from most other open world games is that you get your objective at the beginning of the game. Thus everything on the map has a seeming point. Why are you doing something can always be traced back to "it's so I can beat Ganon and Save Hyrule". This is the main issue with Checklist missions or Enemy camps. They're tied to something abstract or something not even really related to the character.
TheMoon
Member
We wouldn't have a seen a lick of this, NX or no NX.
So I was looking at random BotW videos again, and came across this one where I noticed something I'd never seen before. At around 1:43, while looking out over the edge of the Plateau, a large man-made structure is visible on the side of the mountain on the left:
Dungeon? Entrance to a dungeon?
Dungeon? Entrance to a dungeon?
This game is really gonna be my game of the generation judging by the game play videos it really looks awesome! This game man.... You already can do so much on the plateau!
Also bonus i just got a legend of zelda tattoo it's inspired by my profille picture art.
http://imgur.com/YDAnLDZ
All my friends like it and casual people think it looks cool so no awkward situations
and i'm so happy with it.
Also my gaf account got validated today concidence? I think so
Also bonus i just got a legend of zelda tattoo it's inspired by my profille picture art.
http://imgur.com/YDAnLDZ
All my friends like it and casual people think it looks cool so no awkward situations
and i'm so happy with it.Also my gaf account got validated today concidence? I think so
LegendofLex
Member
Probably "Thing You Climb to Get Treasure."
TheMoon
Member
Shrines aren't really sidequests.
Crossing Eden
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I'm afraid we may run into another Mafia III situation if the shrines are the main thing in the game besides the huge dungeons, that's what leads to repetition regardless of how the aesthetic changes and if there's a clever shrine here or there. Has me worried man. Even more so since like Mafia III, the animation for completion is exactly the same in every shrine. :/
LegendofLex
Member
1) The most broadly successful Zelda games were always the ones with huge spaces.
2) So far we haven't seen a single true "sidequest." Just lots of things to discover if you're interested in exploring.
Absolutely no chance of this. The overworld is the "main thing" in this game. The shrines are there to punctuate the experience, but if what we've seen so far is any indication, they're a very small sliver of the game.
but none had an overworld of BOTW'S proposed/confirmed size.
what can we do in such a big space?
will they have 100 container heart pieces? did they get rid of them altogether? if there are like 100 chests each containing ruppees or pointless Items, I can see not caring for them after the 20th or so.
dunno, maybe I am too pessimistic but this really looks like it's too big for Zelda proportions.
Hopefully there are also mini games and whatnot to find in the world. Racing challenges with other characters and obstacle courses would also be great.
Snowboard Kids: Breath of the Wild
If they could also make money useful then that would be great too. It's way too easy to unintentionally amass a small fortune in a lot of games because there isn't anything to really spend them on. Usually anything you can buy could just as easily be found in the wild.
There are never no mini games.
NINTENDO said:
Those guys really do know how to fill up a game
LegendofLex
Member
- Fight monsters
- Hunt wild animals
- Stock up on various weapons/food/crafting materials (because your weapons break really quickly and you'll constantly need new ones, and the only way to recover health is through food/consumables)
- Search for Koroks
- Screw around in various kinds of terrain environments (things like setting fires or snowboarding down mountainsides, which we've seen)
- See how far you can push the boundaries of the game's traversal systems
- Hunt for hidden caves/shrines
- Look for awesome views and locales
This is before we even get into actual structured quests.
NorthAndSouth
Member
Yeah, I remember seeing that on the stream and getting really excited, I was hoping they would go there because I initially thought it was on the Plateau. The map clearly indicates however that it's just beyond it. Totally could be a dungeon, or maybe a really interesting landmark with treasure.
I'm not convince that dungeons would be that obvious however, otherwise people would have probably spotted others in vistas by now. Especially considering that the rumoured size of them is supposed to be massive. Seems like they'll be hidden underground like in SS, or in heavily wooded areas as suggested by the Game Award footage.
That whole mountain looks unclimbable (unless you eat a stamina boosting meal). Even thought the game emphasizes freedom of movement, I'm really glad that they'll still be isolated set pieces like these that are more structured. One of my favorite things about Zelda games is that they find a nice balance between linearity and exploration, and it looks like they won't be abandoning that with BotW.
It's still so crazy that this game has been in full development for basically 5 years. Aonuma first talked about it in January 2013, and it seemed like they were at least half a year into development at that point. If the game releases in March, then it will be 5 years and 4 months since Skyward Sword released, and 4 years and 2 months since it was first talked about in the direct.
I'm sure this has been shared before but it's just so amusing. The BOTW trailer redone in Ocarina of Time?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnn3Zo9qvC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnn3Zo9qvC0
It's going to be interesting to read up on the game's development for sure.
LoL when link fly with chicken
Chrome_Age
Banned
I think this game will be revolutionary
not in the bringing out a grand new idea sense, not in the same way that Ocarina was
but revolutionary in the sense of how all the working parts of the game go hand and hand together, the physics, the freedom
I don't think there really is an open world game out there in development or in past that has the interactivity that BOTW has but im happy to be proven wrong
not in the bringing out a grand new idea sense, not in the same way that Ocarina was
but revolutionary in the sense of how all the working parts of the game go hand and hand together, the physics, the freedom
I don't think there really is an open world game out there in development or in past that has the interactivity that BOTW has but im happy to be proven wrong
Im worried that Nintendo went overboard in looking for other open world games for inspiration. The world is too damn big and empty. The open air nonsense just seems like a cop out. There is no reason for the world to be as big as they made it. If they shrink it in half it would still be big enough and the density would be better.
If there's one team at Nintendo which has repeatedly proven that it does not know how to fill up a game, it's the Zelda team. ALBW and OoT were great because the overworlds were relatively small and there wasn't so much filler content. Wind Waker, TP, and Skyward Sword had big worlds for the sake of having a big world.
An open area is not a poorly designed area. It would be boring if the map were a clusterfuck of enemies, chests, and puzzles. There's little reward in exploration if you find something every 5 feet. The open areas are aesthetically pleasing, let you freely navigate with your horse, give you room to fight enemies and bosses, and reward the player for finding secrets and treasure.
2D Zeldas don't need open areas because fields are boring to look at with an overhead perspective, and it would be difficult to figure out where you are because you can only see a small rectangular portion at any time.
Past 3D Zeldas have failed with open areas because they are too far separated from the more linear parts. OoT, TP, and SS all had big boring areas that only serves as a hub for the actual interesting areas. Wind Waker only had problems because sailing could get really tedious, but stuff like the Quick Sail from WWHD really helped solve that issue.
Breath of the Wild takes much more inspiration from the 2D Zelda games like LTTP or Zelda 1, where there is no hub that separates all the areas. The only difference is that Breath of the Wild is much more spread out, but based on the Great Plateau, I don't think that the dev team will have trouble filling the world.
2D Zeldas don't need open areas because fields are boring to look at with an overhead perspective, and it would be difficult to figure out where you are because you can only see a small rectangular portion at any time.
Past 3D Zeldas have failed with open areas because they are too far separated from the more linear parts. OoT, TP, and SS all had big boring areas that only serves as a hub for the actual interesting areas. Wind Waker only had problems because sailing could get really tedious, but stuff like the Quick Sail from WWHD really helped solve that issue.
Breath of the Wild takes much more inspiration from the 2D Zelda games like LTTP or Zelda 1, where there is no hub that separates all the areas. The only difference is that Breath of the Wild is much more spread out, but based on the Great Plateau, I don't think that the dev team will have trouble filling the world.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Wind Waker's vast, empty world makes sense though and I don't feel it harms the game in any way.
Kissenkopf
Banned
Skyward Sword?!
The little Overworld where you flew with your Loftwing for 2 minutes? Hopefully that wasn't too large for you.
Retromelon
Member
The worst thing about wind waker was the ugly bland ocean, it really detracted from the experience. All the more shameful since super mario sunshine showed the gamecube was capable of rendering some beautiful looking water. Should have thrown some transparency or lighting ripples on that bitch
Don't you still think it was a pointless empty overworld?
I'm honestly not a big fan of games where you just walk aimlessly through some world without knowing whether you'll ever find something. I don't do that in real world either as I don't enjoy it. I usually plan to some extent where to go and what to expect there. That's why I prefer smaller open world titles or more linear experiences like the 2D Zeldas. Simply a question of personal preference.
Then again, Mafia 2 and Bully have shown that you can even make a small open world extremely boring.
TheMoon
Member
Well, Big Zelda dev cycle is Big Zelda dev cycle. Nothing new here.
A whole bunch of conjecture here. Also, you haven't seen shit yet lol. Stop it with the "empty" nonsense.
What i have seen of the game it does not look empty at all, there is wildlife plants etc nearly everywhere and you can even interact with the environment in cool gameplay ways.
Maybe the older games may be but this one certainly is not empty. Some places maybe are to give it a more realistic feeling because in real life there are also empty places.
Maybe the older games may be but this one certainly is not empty. Some places maybe are to give it a more realistic feeling because in real life there are also empty places.
dampflokfreund
Banned
Amazing, even the music is in OoT style
Lord Ghirahim
Member
Yesterday's BotW theme performance was so, so good. I hope they stream the December concert.
We got a couple of videos that showed off stuff like food, weapons, bombs, and the Temple of Time. I'd imagine that's what they were talking about.I remember Reggie said somewhere after E3 that they would give us more information on this game across the summer, but we are well into autumn and we got nothing yet...
TheMoon
Member
Zero new info/footage/anything has come out for zelda since E3. Just new videos of the same stuff.
ReyVGM
Member
omg
UnemployedVillain
Member
I can't wait to see an entire enemy camp get fucked up by a lightning strike in their vicinity because I've used the magnet rune to stand up something metallic in the middle of them during a storm