|OT| British Election mega-thread - 12th December 2019 : Let's try again, again.

[Gashtronomy]

Mega thread.

Election guide, courtesy of the BBC

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50291676

Brexit party 12 key policies:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50515516

A quick summary:

Labour

Give everything away for free. Free internet, housing, training courses.
Nationalise; railways, internet, utilities.
Brexit is fluid

Tories

Par of the course. Brexit by Jan 31st. Keep calm and carry on

Liberal democrats

No brexit
Legalise weed
Wishy washy spending policy
Green tax
No Brexit

Green party

Save the whales,
Ban the bomb
£130 Billion tax for reducing green emissions
No Brexit

SNP



Brexit party

A mix of not conservatives and not UKIP *wink wink*
We want Brexit
Cancel Hs2
Thatcher-lite

Please keep all info in this thread.

Cheers!

 

[Alx]

For some reason I feel like that summary in OP is slightly biased...

 

[Birdo]

Labour: "We'll make everything free"*

*But your taxes will pay for it all

 

[Gashtronomy]

For some reason I feel like that summary in OP is slightly biased...

It is. I am bias against politics because it's all bullshit.

If you see that I've favoured one party over the other, then that's just the little voices and paranoia in your own head.

 

[Alx]

It is. I am bias against politics because it's all bullshit.

If you see that I've favoured one party over the other, then that's just the little voices and paranoia in your own head.

So you're saying you made fun of Tories just as much as the others ? With a single line saying "just the usual" ? (also inaccurate, because if the Tories position was that clear, there wouldn't be elections to begin with)

 

[Gashtronomy]

So you're saying you made fun of Tories just as much as the others ? With one line saying "just the usual" ? (also inaccurate, because if the Tories position was that clear, there wouldn't be elections to begin with)

We've had tory rule for years now, under three different leaders and it is, in 99% of cases, exactly the same. If Tories win the election, we will carry on as we have for the past few years.

I didn't make fun of anyone. I posted a quick summary.

Please, for the interest of neutrality, post your summary. The more POV's the better it is for those seeking information.

BTW, aren't you French?

 

[MoreLikeSameOldEra]

2017:

Electoral pact (of the smaller parties):

 

[Hissing Sid]

My towns due to turn Tory for the first time in seventy years.

No way I’m voting Labour while the chuckle squad is in charge.

Don’t know if I’ll be able to go through with voting Tory even though on balance it’s probably the most palatable option on the table for me atm. I mean, it’s the Tories ffs!

Lib Dem? No. Fucking. Way.

Tbh I’m almost at the point of fucking the whole thing off and just drawing a huge cock and balls on my ballot paper. Or I might not bother at all.

Fuck em.

 

[Gashtronomy]

Drawing a comedy cock on the ballot paper is the most British way to boycott

 

[Birdo]

My Twitter trending list has been nothing but pro-Labour propaganda for the last week (When it's blantantly not trending).

Thankfully other people have noticed it too. Most of them are packed with comments pointing it out.

Normies are quickly waking up to how they are manipulated with social media.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Labour: "We'll make everything free"*

*But your taxes will pay for it all

Don't forget the "I hugged an ISIS scholar!" sticker on your way out of the booth.

 

[Mistershine.]

My towns due to turn Tory for the first time in seventy years.

No way I’m voting Labour while the chuckle squad is in charge.

Don’t know if I’ll be able to go through with voting Tory even though on balance it’s probably the most palatable option on the table for me atm. I mean, it’s the Tories ffs!

Lib Dem? No. Fucking. Way.

Tbh I’m almost at the point of fucking the whole thing off and just drawing a huge cock and balls on my ballot paper. Or I might not bother at all.

Fuck em.

This is a very common viewpoint at the moment. Every labour supporter I speak to is either voting tory or not at all, just because choosing between corbyn or swinson is like having to decide which bollock to be kicked in.

 

[Hissing Sid]

 

[funkygunther]

My vote’s going to Labour. Haven’t seen anything good come out of the Tories in the last 9 years so it’s time for a change.

 

[Gashtronomy]

I wonder if we will see the old labour stronghold of the North, becoming a conservative stronghold and the new labour domain residing with southern voters.

Wouldn't that be something.

 

[matt404au]

My towns due to turn Tory for the first time in seventy years.

No way I’m voting Labour while the chuckle squad is in charge.

Don’t know if I’ll be able to go through with voting Tory even though on balance it’s probably the most palatable option on the table for me atm. I mean, it’s the Tories ffs!

Lib Dem? No. Fucking. Way.

Tbh I’m almost at the point of fucking the whole thing off and just drawing a huge cock and balls on my ballot paper. Or I might not bother at all.

Fuck em.

Embrace it. I’ve been there too recently. I voted for the LNP (our version of the Tories) over Labor for the first time ever at our last election. There has been an inversion sometime in the last 5-10 years and the cultural hegemony is no longer on the right — it’s now the far left climate evangelical identitarians. Vote against them like the future of your nation depends on it (because it does).

 

[funkygunther]

Embrace it. I’ve been there too recently. I voted for the LNP (our version of the Tories) over Labor for the first time ever at our last election. There has been an inversion sometime in the last 5-10 years and the cultural hegemony is no longer on the right — it’s now the far left climate evangelical identitarians. Vote against them like the future of your nation depends on it (because it does).

the present of our nation has seen foodbank usage increasing per year and the longest wait-times at A&E we've ever seen, it would be great if voting against something different was just a nice ideological choice

 

[matt404au]

the present of our nation has seen foodbank usage increasing per year and the longest wait-times at A&E we've ever seen, it would be great if voting against something different was just a nice ideological choice

So stop importing the third world

 

[funkygunther]

So stop importing the third world

there's been nothing stopping the Tories putting in tighter immigration controls for EU and non-EU migrants in the last decade

 

[matt404au]

there's been nothing stopping the Tories putting in tighter immigration controls for EU and non-EU migrants in the last decade

Why you got Brexit then

 

[funkygunther]

Why you got Brexit then

Great question!

 

[Breakage]

It's been pretty clear for a while now that neither Labour or the Conservatives care about reducing immigration. Under the present government, about 200k people join the population every year, and that doesn't even include those who enter illegally. The government has had full control of non-EU migration and yet it still runs at 200k per year. They could take a stronger approach to enforce the 3 month rule in regard to EU immigration, but they don't. Is it a suprise that things only seem to be getting worse in regard to housing and other services? Yet the mainstream media and politicians continue to shy away from talking about immigration and the numbers. Everyone just needs to “work harder”, even if it means children and relationships suffer.

It's funny how many Brits still think the Conservatives genuinely care about reducing immigration. They can't even commit to a target figure anymore. They will just continue to bs their way to power and many will continue to “hold their noses” and vote for them.

 

[Torrent of Pork]

I'm rooting for you UK Gaffers, take back your dignity and soverignty from those who seek to erase your national identity. The USA will have a big, beautiful trade deal ready to ram through our shit-show of a Congress to make sure this works.

 

[GamingKaiju]

My mind isn’t made up yet. I can’t vote Labour because of reasons one of them been I would hate to see how big the tax rises would be in 5 years time to pay for all the ‘free’ shit Labour are promising.
Cons are cunts nuff said. Lib Dem’s nope!
BXP probably not.
My might just vote for a Indy or...

Drawing a comedy cock on the ballot paper is the most British way to boycott

This is the way.

 

[Gashtronomy]

If we stop migration and the low-paid migrant workforce, the companies would then have to increase their wages, lose out on tax and lose out on profit!

Won't someone please, think of the businesses.maudflanders.jpg

 

[Tesseract]

collapse the EU

 

[Kazza]

In the 2017 election, the Labour surge came after they released their manifesto. However, this time their manifesto release (plus the first debate) doesn't seem to have had any affect at all, and the Tories re still over 10 points ahead:



We'll see how the Conservatives manifesto release today affects things, but they don't seem to have any unpopular policies planned this time around (such as the "dementia tax"), so that shouldn't affect things too much.

Of course, the UK has a FPTP system, so Labour could still win while getting a smaller share of the vote, but that's unlikely if the gap remains at 10 points.

 

[Greedings]

My mind isn’t made up yet. I can’t vote Labour because of reasons one of them been I would hate to see how big the tax rises would be in 5 years time to pay for all the ‘free’ shit Labour are promising.
Cons are cunts nuff said. Lib Dem’s nope!
BXP probably not.
My might just vote for a Indy or...



This is the way.

Vote tactically.
I’m in a place with a labour front bencher. There’s a good chance the Lib Dem’s might win. I hate the lib dems, but getting the chance to remove a prominent front bencher is too good to pass up.

 

[sahlberg]

Look guys, Putin is only human.

He has been superbusy planning climate change protests here in Australia all of last month as well as setting up most of the bushfires we have. He is just really fucking busy right now.
He told me that once AU is under control, he will start having time to interfere in UK election starting early next week. Depending on how the AU bushfire attacks proceed.

Just calm down and let the man work. He will get to the UK election in due time.

 

[hariseldon]

I wonder if we will see the old labour stronghold of the North, becoming a conservative stronghold and the new labour domain residing with southern voters.

Wouldn't that be something.

That’s entirely possible and that’s in part because the Labour Party has gone from being a party for the working classes (hence being called labour) to middle class guardian reading cunts, while the Tories have gone way left of their traditional positions and become Blair’s Labour, far more a party of the working classes and under Boris more optimistic and aspirational (something that’s been lost in Britain for a long time). I’ve been a left winger all my life, I can happily wax lyrical about the evil milk snatcher Thatcher, but with it’s sensible Brexit policy (ie actually get it over with) and finally acknowledging the need for investment in national infrastructure I can get behind this Tory party and that feels fucking weird. The down side is the Tory candidate in my area is a complete cunt.

 

[hariseldon]

the present of our nation has seen foodbank usage increasing per year and the longest wait-times at A&E we've ever seen, it would be great if voting against something different was just a nice ideological choice

Austerity was a bag of shit, agree that food banks being needed in modern Britain, the NHS being starved of funds, etc are unacceptable. Austerity is no longeron the menu and its architects are no longer running the Tory Party. Whichever way you vote, investment will come. With that covered you then come to every other policy and I honestly can’t allow Corbyn to run the country. He got owned in debate by Russell Crowe ffs. Do we want that man running the country?

 

[hariseldon]

So stop importing the third world

While that’s causing the knife crime that’s not necessarily directly causing the food bank problem. Most food bank users are native I think, the problem being importing cheap labour from Poland, Romania, Bulgaria etc has kicked away the bottom rung of the employment ladder which kept people afloat who may not have been super skilled but were willing to graft for a living and in the past could get by with that. Couple that with the dysfunctional housing market (immigration of all flavours impacts that but also we’re not building enough houses) and you’ve got issues. The third world import issue will however have longer term impacts in food bank usage as the biggest impact on the education system from this immigration comes in poor areas, so kids are in classes where they’re the minority in their own country with kids who can’t speak English and the lessons therefore can never truly allow them to express their potential, but here I’m getting into territory that requires a thesis to do justice to and I’m on my phone so that isn’t going to happen!

 

[hariseldon]

there's been nothing stopping the Tories putting in tighter immigration controls for EU and non-EU migrants in the last decade

Non EU you’re correct, but on EU you’re wrong. Free movement being one of the key principles of EU membership, we can’t control that immigration.

 

[funkygunther]

Non EU you’re correct, but on EU you’re wrong. Free movement being one of the key principles of EU membership, we can’t control that immigration.

"Third world" from that other guy implies non-EU and with the EU we can put a three month rule in place like other EU countries, which we havent.

 

[Gashtronomy]

"Third world" from that other guy implies non-EU and with the EU we can put a three month rule in place like other EU countries, which we havent.

There's a loophole though, where any country in the world can move to a European country, even if it means living in an immigration centre. Once they have stayed X amount of months in that country, they are then eligible to move to any other EU country, classed as an EU migrant.

 

[Gashtronomy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50532000

Tory manifesto is out. Basically, keep calm and carry on. One of the only parties serious about helping the North out and the working class. I've looked outside and it isn't raining frogs, so i'm not sure what's going on

 

[Gashtronomy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50534118 (How do you embed links?)

Here is some classic, unbias, BBC reporting.

The headline : General election 2019: Labour pledges payouts to pension age rise women

The very last line of the article: The prime minister said: "I do sympathise deeply with the Waspi women... but it is very expensive to come up with the solution you want."
"I cannot promise I can magic up that money for you," he added

 

[DV27]

Hi all. Cheers for this thread. I'm expecting the Conservatives to be the largest party after polling day, and maybe get into Majority terrortory.

I live in a 24k Conservatory majority, so the impact on my vote will not be much. If the Lib Dems position on Brexit would be to have a referendum on Boris' deal vs remain, they would likely get my vote - but a straight up revoking of Article 50 makes them a no-go for me - which is sad as I do like a lot of their other policies.

Anyway, will be good to discuss with you all, whatever your political stance. We're all in this together.....

 

[GamingKaiju]

Vote tactically.
I’m in a place with a labour front bencher. There’s a good chance the Lib Dem’s might win. I hate the lib dems, but getting the chance to remove a prominent front bencher is too good to pass up.

It’s a close call because my MP only just managed to get the most votes in 2017 by only 1300 votes so it’s a straight up choice between Labour or Cunts...
Lib Dem’s don’t even bother campaigning around here. I’m tempted to vote for the cunts but they have caused a lot damage to the area where as my MP hasn’t really done much neither So

spoiling my ballot by drawing a big dick on it though sounds fun though.

 

[Gashtronomy]

Hi all. Cheers for this thread. I'm expecting the Conservatives to be the largest party after polling day, and maybe get into Majority terrortory.

I live in a 24k Conservatory majority, so the impact on my vote will not be much. If the Lib Dems position on Brexit would be to have a referendum on Boris' deal vs remain, they would likely get my vote - but a straight up revoking of Article 50 makes them a no-go for me - which is sad as I do like a lot of their other policies.

Anyway, will be good to discuss with you all, whatever your political stance. We're all in this together.....

What would your, or anyone else's position be if it came down to a two-way coalition of:

Brexit + conservatives vs Lib dems + Labour + Greens?

 

[hariseldon]

What would your, or anyone else's position be if it came down to a two-way coalition of:

Brexit + conservatives vs Lib dems + Labour + Greens?

Labour would need the SNP as well which of course would come with the condition of a Scottish Independence referendum (once in a generation...)

 

[Gashtronomy]

Labour would need the SNP as well which of course would come with the condition of a Scottish Independence referendum (once in a generation...)

What a mess that would be, Swinson, Corbyn, Sturgeon and Hippy mctreehug. I could see them accomplishing...nothing.

 

[Kazza]

I feel this guy is pretty close to realising what the problem is, but he's still not quite there...

 

[Kazza]

 

[Breakage]

That's what years of downplaying concerns about immigration and multiculturalism produces.

 

[funkygunther]

There's a loophole though, where any country in the world can move to a European country, even if it means living in an immigration centre. Once they have stayed X amount of months in that country, they are then eligible to move to any other EU country, classed as an EU migrant.

Do you have any evidence that naturalisation just happens after x amount of months in an immigration centre? I know this confirms the sexy biases of the collective here but this is a big pill to swallow. Oh yeah, and even if this was true we still haven’t implemented the tightest controls we currently have as options.

 

[DV27]

What would your, or anyone else's position be if it came down to a two-way coalition of:

Brexit + conservatives vs Lib dems + Labour + Greens?

I despise Jeremy Corbyn and Momentum. Their rise to control the Labour party has fucked this country.

I would never vote for any party who would consider doing any deal to put Corbyn into power.

 

[hariseldon]

I despise Jeremy Corbyn and Momentum. Their rise to control the Labour party has fucked this country.

I would never vote for any party who would consider doing any deal to put Corbyn into power.

Tbh I initially cheered the Momentum take-over of the Labour party, having long been a socialist - I figured the failure to get a socialist government was a branding problem, so piggybacking the Labour brand to get a government that did what I wanted seemed a great move. I'm a little embarrassed to have supported entryism now I've seen it come for the games industry - it's led me to understand why entryism is a shitty thing. The Momentum group have shown themselves to be thoroughly unpleasant (continuing my shame at failing to do proper research) and the more I see of all this the more I realise I made a dreadful mistake in supporting socialism.

That they're all anti-semetic should, in hindsight, not be a surprise as it's no great leap to go from "the rich have all the power and are fucking us all" via "straight white men have all the power and are fucking us all" to eventually "the Jews have all the power and are fucking us all".

 

[Gashtronomy]

Do you have any evidence that naturalisation just happens after x amount of months in an immigration centre? I know this confirms the sexy biases of the collective here but this is a big pill to swallow. Oh yeah, and even if this was true we still haven’t implemented the tightest controls we currently have as options.

I don't have any evidence, this is just what I understand to be true, as reported by the daily rags.

Each government is unwilling, to restrict migration. It annoys me, as anyone can see that we can't look after the people within our own borders at the moment, so bringing in any more people isn't fair to them.

I despise Jeremy Corbyn and Momentum. Their rise to control the Labour party has fucked this country.

I would never vote for any party who would consider doing any deal to put Corbyn into power.

That seems cut and dry

 

[Ar¢tos]

I don't have any evidence, this is just what I understand to be true, as reported by the daily rags.

Each government is unwilling, to restrict migration. It annoys me, as anyone can see that we can't look after the people within our own borders at the moment, so bringing in any more people isn't fair to them.

But you have the NHS bleeding staff because lots of EU workers are leaving and a lot less are coming to replace them, you had shortage of workers for crops harvesting, leaving food to rot in the fields.
Outside workers are necessary to every country.
Instead of stopping immigration and THEN make new rules to get the wanted outsiders in, UK should be preparing those rules right now to stop necessary qualified foreign workers from leaving.
All my nurse friends that were working in the UK left earlier this year, some went to France, others to Germany. UK was the main destination for nurses that graduated here in Portugal, but now they are all looking at other countries, because nobody knows what is going to happen regarding immigration and also fear of Xenophobia.