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|OT| British Election mega-thread - 12th December 2019 : Let's try again, again.

DV27

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That list is factual - except for point 4 - that was the effect of the rest of the points.

If they were nice people, I would have a tiny bit of sympathy for the Corbynites - but right now their sheer dillusion and spitefulness is quite enjoyable to watch as they trudge through the seven stages of grief.
 

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the party I voted for is promising to do the thing I voted against.
Right there with you Sir.

Although, truth be told, Brexit has never really been a burning issue for me. I voted Remain but more through caution. I admit that I am mildly intrigued to see how things develop.

One interesting point that few are raising is that the size of Johnson's majority actually allows him to dictate the terms of Brexit. He no longer needs to appease the hardcore ERG. If he wants to soften leave, he can.

My personal suspicion is that this vote was not solely Brexit. It was obviously Corbyn too, but moreover a show of disgust for the remainer antics in Parliament over the last three years. And Bercow. My God, him too.
 

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Aside from the truly crazy posts, this one is a real gem:

Does he really understand what follows from his statement?

He is far far left and loves corbyn.
He is basically saying that he does not want a centrist as the next leader because they would like to get a majority, i.e. winning an election rather than turning towards le left.


Why is he so surprised when they do not win elections? I mean it is fucking obvious that when moving left is more important that winning you shouldn't be surprised if you are not winning very often.

I just thought it was funny. He doesnt even understand what his statement means or the consequence of it would be.

(I am a boomer so sorry, the link is what it is. You have to click on it to see his post. It is basically just "Okay but is there any guarantee that this centrist leader would drift left considering the objective they're starting with is 'get a majority'?")
 
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I feel, GB leaving the EU is a direct consequence of letting those eastern european countries in.
It's so incredibly stupid that they let this happen.

Just for the sake of having cheap labourers for a few years.

Fuck them.


Why shouldn't the EU have its own army, if it's a political body?
Unless you view the EU as some kind of thing for trading and getting money from only.
Because you'd have someone from country A sending people from country B to a war zone they may not agree with.

Trust me, soldiers i know are not thrilled about that.

And yes, the EU is about trade and economics.
 
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Lots of angry young people on Twitter complaining that people who voted Conservative have “fucked up” their futures!
We are now in the era of blaming the government for your prospects and future life which hasn’t even taken place yet!
Why do they all think that everyone over 40 have had an easy life and we were all given “free stuff” that they were denied?
We all had to work hard to save deposits for our homes, we struggled and did without things, we got by, the same for our parents and most of their friends, this whole “OK Boomer” thing is ridiculous.
They have been brainwashed and radicalised in their bedrooms by Instagram/Twitter/Facebook echo chambers.
 

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If they were nice people, I would have a tiny bit of sympathy for the Corbynites - but right now their sheer dillusion and spitefulness is quite enjoyable to watch as they trudge through the seven stages of grief.
Now, more than ever, their reaction should remind us once again that we are dealing with religious zealots.

Momentum and their sect are nothing other than an evangelical organisation, with sacred texts, symbols and liturgy. Their anti-Semitism is performance art, like taking Holy Communion.

You cannot reason with them because they have not reached their position by reason. And like all religious thugs, they reserve their most poisonous venom for apostates.

We are at war with them and we must absolutely destroy them.
 

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The rabid-ness of the left is both their strength and weakness. They are insufferable and unlikable but the claims of tories ‘killing people’ for example, and of course the universal ‘racism’ ‘sexism’ etc. is great fear-producing propaganda. I think it’s similar to when the right could label the left as ‘traitors’ and ‘atheists’ but those nationalist and cultural feelings are and have been eroding for sometime and might not survive in future generations. Being called treasonous as a Brit might now be seen as a positive. The mighty British Empire and spirit are all but dead 😭. The Brits were giants in their time.
 
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I think the EU has been great, it's just that things turned to shit when they included those eastern european countries.
I'd like them to form a new "inner core" EU with Germany, France, Italy, and the Benelux states. Basically the founding members.

Maybe then they could get stuff done.
NO. The eastern Countries actually are much better. They just too small to be able to say something against Kaiserin Merkel and Macron. Fuck these people. Germany is the main reason the EU is such a shit show. It is almost as bad as in Germany itself. They are all a bunch of incompetent fucks

Also Itlay and benelux countries are also strongly opposing MErkel and Macron.
 
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First of all because they are not destroying their country. Secondly these eastern countries gets pressureed into things, they have to obey or else etc. The fucking EU is very totalitarian. Especially MAcron and Merkel. Eastern countries are also more conservative for a reason. Because they know what socialism can do to a country.

Also the US mostly wanted out because of the migration. And again eastern countries were opposed to this shit show since the begining. The EU only ruines the smaller countries like Greece, like Italy like the eastern countries.
 

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Aside from the truly crazy posts, this one is a real gem:
There's something quite lame about a fairly right wing forum cross referencing a fairly left wing forum. Rise above. There are better ways to spend your time.
 
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There's something quite lame about a fairly right wing forum cross referencing a fairly left wing forum. Rise above. There are better ways to spend your time.
Why? It is funny to watch some ideologue, from any side, make statements and not see how they are self-contradictory.

You don't see how his post and lack of understanding what he is actually saying is funny?
Your loss if you didn't find a laugh to brighten the day reading and thinking about his post.
 

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Imagine straight up banning people for saying they are conservative, being confused when results go to a conservative party, and thinking that is good moderation.

They don't see stuff like this coming because they ban the views from their forum.
 

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Also, as far as the EU goes, Brexit should be a wake up call to many European nations that you are losing your sovereignty to an extent by joining the EU. It is basically a formation of a relatively singular nation and whatever goes along with that. The fact they talk about the UK being crippled economically and such if they leave should be a wake up call that you are almost being strong armed to remain in. The EU is a formation of a new United States of America basically in Europe.
 

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I find it funny because almost all media and reddit and twitter and middle class celebrities in this country over the last couple of years have basically been taking as fact that the referendum was a mistake made by stupid people who werent aware what they were doing and that not enough sensible people went out and voted because they thought they would win. If there was a second referendum all the smart leftists would make sure that we remained, they would show the stupid poor people the error of their ways this time.

It felt to me like everyone pubicly said they were voting for labour, you would hear stories about how its just old racist people who will vote for the Tories now. But we have had this vote and democracy has shown that the people of this country want Brexit and they want it done now. I personally voted for labour but I am glad we are not going to have to have another referendum on Brexit. The remainers really need to STFU now. the people have spoken twice . They had two fair democratic chances to stop brexit and they were out voted so they need to pipe down and respect the will of the majority.
 

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First of all because they are not destroying their country. Secondly these eastern countries gets pressureed into things, they have to obey or else etc.
Well, did these countries think they would just get the good things, like entry to markets and a lot of money, but don't have to adhere to EU conventions?

opposed to this shit show since the begining. The EU only ruines the smaller countries like Greece, like Italy like the eastern countries.
Have you ever thought about that those countries ruined themselves before the EU had to step in?
The fucking EU is very totalitarian. Especially MAcron and Merkel.
There is certainly some weight coming from those countries who pay most of the bill.
I give you that.

Also the US mostly wanted out because of the migration.
And again eastern countries were opposed to this shit show since the begining. The EU only ruines the smaller countries like Greece, like Italy like the eastern countries.
The people in the UK wanted to get out of the EU mostly because of east european cheap labourers swamping their job markets. I have read that especially huge amounts of polish people went to the UK when they were included in the EU.

It's the same here in Germany.
We have now all those criminals from countries like Bulgaria and Romania roaming free here now.
There is a famous quote from a mayor of a large german city in north rhine westphalia saying, that he would love to take in 5000 immigrants from Syria in exchange for 5000 of those romanian and bulgarian criminals doing shady stuff in his city.

Thank's god Putin stopped us from including Ukraine as well.
What a shit show that would have been.
 
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UK was influencing european politics before EU
So was US, back in Clinton times.
Starting from Bush it went downhill, with The Orange Man sealing the deal.
I'm not arguing it will still have influence, just pointing out it will have way less, compared to what it had before.

Seriously, are we arguing UK will have leverage over EU comparable to veto rights it had before?


I think the EU has been great, it's just that things turned to shit when they included those eastern european countries.
I'd like them to form a new "inner core" EU with Germany, France, Italy, and the Benelux states. Basically the founding members.
After including eastern block, EU introduced common currency, abolished roaming costs, forced hardware manufacturers to support USB as charging devices, stopped German ministry from introducing toll highways, and what not.
Exactly what went downhill, Arab refugees problem?
 

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Thank's god Putin stopped us from including Ukraine as well.
Dear God.... Check this out:


Are Ukrainian criminals waiting for EU membership to start traveling to EU to rob Germans, or how does that work?
 

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There's something quite lame about a fairly right wing forum cross referencing a fairly left wing forum. Rise above. There are better ways to spend your time.
Ordinarily I'm not a fan of the era stuff and have said so more than once. On this occasion however part of the story is how the radical left is reacting, through places like Twitter and Era. It hints at the direction the left might go (double down) or maybe it's the last dying embers of a movement doomed to fail, but It's a legit topic to post about.
 

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Congratulations to the conservatives and their voters, that's quite a victory. Atleast we'll see Brexit come to a close, its time to move on.


It didn't did it.
Let's revisit this post. Many people, myself included, have disagreed with Azzor a lot. But here is a genuinely decent and humble response to his own ideas.

Not to sound condescending, well done for showing REE how it's done

With the libs refusing to work with Labour and SNP.
SNP and Labour agreeing to work together
This reaction gif...

..I'm guessing Nic and Jo didn't see eye to eye lol
 

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Dear God.... Check this out:


Are Ukrainian criminals waiting for EU membership to start traveling to EU to rob Germans, or how does that work?
In a way they do that.
They get German social security money just for being here.
There even seems to be a whole system in place by some criminals controlling this and getting a share of the money from those people.
Pimp style.
 

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The people in the UK wanted to get out of the EU mostly because of east european cheap labourers swamping their job markets. I have read that especially huge amounts of polish people went to the UK when they were included in the EU.

It's the same here in Germany.
We have now all those criminals from countries like Bulgaria and Romania roaming free here now.
There is a famous quote from a mayor of a large german city in north rhine westphalia saying, that he would love to take in 5000 immigrants from Syria in exchange for 5000 of those romanian and bulgarian criminals doing shady stuff in his city.
Cheap labour has absolutely been an issue. Go into Subway or McDonalds or a building site or a cleaning company and you'd be shocked if you found anyone British working there. The bottom rung of the ladder was pulled away from people and they got pissed about it.

And yep, the Romanians and Bulgarians here are hardly a credit to their country, mostly begging it seems.
 
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I should add...

Reading the BBC this morning there was a good comment by a user that went something like:

"Good result. The screaming minority have, for the second time since 2016, been put in their place by the silent majority. Your tactics of fear, insults and threats of violence fell on deaf ears and only helped you to lose the vote. The public want centrist policies and to move on with Brexit."

For all of the screaming, shouting and project fear, especially from the BBC, it is incredibly humbling to see public come out and say "nahh fuck that" in terms of being threatened and treated like shit.

I'm optimistic about the future of Britain, for the first time in a long time. IMO, I think the SNP will come on board and not fight the tories. I feel that if they do, they open themselves up to being called far left radicals.

The biggest bonus of all; a proper opposition party in the houses of Parliament
 

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After including eastern block, EU introduced common currency, abolished roaming costs, forced hardware manufacturers to support USB as charging devices, stopped German ministry from introducing toll highways, and what not.
Exactly what went downhill, Arab refugees problem?
- Common currency: restricted the fiscal options for countries to manage the financial crisis
- Abolished roaming costs: Great, saved a few quid when we go on holiday. Not earth-shattering.
- USB chargers: Really that's the best you've got? Convenient sure but hardly life-changing
- Arab refugee problem: Changing the social make-up of countries, bringing problems of violence and terror, enormous cost of educating non-native-speaker kids, lack of integration, etc.

You're not selling this brilliantly.
 

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Also, as far as the EU goes, Brexit should be a wake up call to many European nations that you are losing your sovereignty to an extent by joining the EU. It is basically a formation of a relatively singular nation and whatever goes along with that. The fact they talk about the UK being crippled economically and such if they leave should be a wake up call that you are almost being strong armed to remain in. The EU is a formation of a new United States of America basically in Europe.
See, this is my problem, the EU is nothing like the USA.

A United States of Europe built around the US model, with a central constitution, setting personal rights and freedoms in stone and building a democratic system around that, with regional controls and measures in place to make sure no one country had more sway than any other, be that due to population or economic output, would be brilliant.

Instead we have everything based on trade and finance, heavily skewing power in favour of a few countries, with no care for sovereignty or the people, and a self destructive obsession with globalist economics that sees no value in the traditions and cultures of Europe.
 
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See, this is my problem, the EU is nothing like the USA.

A United States of Europe built around the US model, with a central constitution setting personal rights and freedoms in stone and building a democratic system around that with regional controls and a measures in place to amke sure no one country had more sway than any other because of population or economic output would be brilliant.

Instead we have everything based on trade and finance, heavily skewing power in favout of a few countries, with no care for sovereignty or the people, and a self destructive obsession with globalist economics that sees no value in the traditions and cultures of Europe.
How it is going to start. Then when you are so intertwined you can't leave it will come the joint armies. Joint leadership. Etc.