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|OT| British Election mega-thread - 12th December 2019 : Let's try again, again.

Gashtronomy

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See, this is my problem, the EU is nothing like the USA.

A United States of Europe built around the US model, with a central constitution setting personal rights and freedoms in stone and building a democratic system around that with regional controls and a measures in place to amke sure no one country had more sway than any other because of population or economic output would be brilliant.

Instead we have everything based on trade and finance, heavily skewing power in favout of a few countries, with no care for sovereignty or the people, and a self destructive obsession with globalist economics that sees no value in the traditions and cultures of Europe.
The USA was built upon two/three wars and many, many battles to get the north and south under one roof.

I can't imagine a war between the EU countries would go down well for the rest of the world...

It's a good feeling, ain't it?
Warm and fuzzy
 
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The USA was built upon two/three wars and many, many battles to get the north and south under one roof.

I can't imagine a war between the EU countries would go down well for the rest of the world...
Expounding on this good point, European settlers in the USA had the advantage of pushing into sparsely-populated areas, as disease had already wiped out (estimated) 90% of the population. Much of the American fertility that we encountered in those first two centuries was directly due to native American land-mgmt practices. Even with all that elbow room, Europeans still fought other Europeans on N. American soils. Imagine if things were more densely populated...

Europe is currently a bunch of neighbors elbow-to-elbow. Very different circumstances.

Glad to hear it.

The positivity and graciousness in this thread -- from all political sides in the UK election -- compared to what I see other places online is also warm and fuzzy.
 

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Well, did these countries think they would just get the good things, like entry to markets and a lot of money, but don't have to adhere to EU conventions?


Have you ever thought about that those countries ruined themselves before the EU had to step in?

There is certainly some weight coming from those countries who pay most of the bill.
I give you that.


The people in the UK wanted to get out of the EU mostly because of east european cheap labourers swamping their job markets. I have read that especially huge amounts of polish people went to the UK when they were included in the EU.

It's the same here in Germany.
We have now all those criminals from countries like Bulgaria and Romania roaming free here now.
There is a famous quote from a mayor of a large german city in north rhine westphalia saying, that he would love to take in 5000 immigrants from Syria in exchange for 5000 of those romanian and bulgarian criminals doing shady stuff in his city.

Thank's god Putin stopped us from including Ukraine as well.
What a shit show that would have been.
When we are talking about the east countries we are mostly talking about migration. But also in the ecconomical field they get the stick every time.

For the UK Reason. Do you have a quote from this?`Especially the Norrhein westfalen one. Because I live in Düsseldorf and polish people or people from east Europe are not the fucking problem here.

Biggest trheat right now in Germany are Arabic clans, and the radical Islam. Also lets not forget about the sexual mass assaults from Cologne. How many people from eastern Europe did participate in it? Or how about these Hochzeit Korsos., the violence against police and rescue units etc. NONE of this comes from these people.
 
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- Common currency: restricted the fiscal options for countries to manage the financial crisis
- Abolished roaming costs: Great, saved a few quid when we go on holiday. Not earth-shattering.
- USB chargers: Really that's the best you've got? Convenient sure but hardly life-changing
- Arab refugee problem: Changing the social make-up of countries, bringing problems of violence and terror, enormous cost of educating non-native-speaker kids, lack of integration, etc.

You're not selling this brilliantly.
I've only recalled things that I have touched and recall, not selling anything (what would be the point after elections anyhow? :D)
70%+ of the business for EU countries is within EU.
Using Euro eliminates the currency risks and is great for business.
Besides being comfortable for... god forbid, intra-EU tourists. :)
So is abolishing roaming.

The context of my comment was "EU has changed". This, besides massive influx of Arab refugees, are the changes I'm aware of (and care about).
 
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for supporting the Conservatives

These guys......these are not normal in the head. Here is a person who, while disagrees with some of their points, is trying to understand their point of view, is very willing to expand his horizons and is completely rational and humble about it. And yet......he is banned! What is wrong with these people? In times like these I feel that the NPC meme is indeed completely correct! They have no self reflection or even understanding of anyone else AT ALL!
 

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I should add...

Reading the BBC this morning there was a good comment by a user that went something like:

"Good result. The screaming minority have, for the second time since 2016, been put in their place by the silent majority. Your tactics of fear, insults and threats of violence fell on deaf ears and only helped you to lose the vote. The public want centrist policies and to move on with Brexit."

For all of the screaming, shouting and project fear, especially from the BBC, it is incredibly humbling to see public come out and say "nahh fuck that" in terms of being threatened and treated like shit.

I'm optimistic about the future of Britain, for the first time in a long time. IMO, I think the SNP will come on board and not fight the tories. I feel that if they do, they open themselves up to being called far left radicals.

The biggest bonus of all; a proper opposition party in the houses of Parliament
The screaming - only online and in the comfort of slouching on their sofa with their phone - from the vocal minority only makes the silent majority larger.
 

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Congratulations Britons on your victory and future independence from the EU.

Except it won't happen, because you joined a fascist organization in the first place. Brexit might just spark war in the EU. The vote to leave happened in ducking June 2016, and the UK is STILL in the EU. I don't see it changing anytime soon.
 

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Congrats on the Brits for winning both the popular vote AND the house majority.

You guys avoided a "Canada" situation, where only London could decide the fate of your country.

dat map doe

A few northern holds for labour and a few London holds for Labour. Other than that, complete decimation
 

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Worth a read.

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To support Labour with a smile on your face was to say anti-Jewish racism doesn’t matter. It doesn’t shame you or them. You don’t care about it anymore than the supporters of Donald Trump cared about the pornographic treatment of women, the anti-black conspiracy theories about Obama being a fake American and the Muslim travel ban.
This, this in a nut shell. Don't let any Labour voter tar you with any insult if they ever think you had the temerity not to vote for Labour like they would want you to. I have a few close friends who are Jewish. I could never, NEVER look at their or their families faces again if I ever came close to voting for Labour.

Fuck Labour, and fuck anyone who thinks they are on any kind of moral high ground for voting Labour.
 
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Congratulations Britons on your victory and future independence from the EU.

Except it won't happen, because you joined a fascist organization in the first place. Brexit might just spark war in the EU. The vote to leave happened in ducking June 2016, and the UK is STILL in the EU. I don't see it changing anytime soon.
If the Tories can't, at the very least, convince Brits that we've actually left even if we haven't then there'll be a war in Britain before any war in the EU.
 
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Worth a read.
I would be suspicious of pundits who are quick to throw Corbyn under the bus and blame the failures on him alone. Is he not the avatar for the far-left? Did he not embrace many far-left social and economic positions? Was he not their brave leader right up to the election itself?
 
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Whilst I'm not a Conservative and I lent my vote to Boris, I'm quite happy that the Tory's have a majority so stuff can get done and we can move past the Brexit issue. Parliament was just to divided to get anything done, another hung Parliament would have just dragged the issue on and on and on this is what we needed just to get the Country moving forward.

The salt is real good :messenger_grinning_smiling: Reeera /Twitter/FB are just salt mine's right now and it's just too good to pass up on having a laugh. I even had people unfriend me for voting for Boris oh well I can scratch them of the Christmas card list.
 

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I saw this on KiA2. This tweet sure aged well, lmao. *"How dare you" intensifies*
I mean she wasn't wrong, I did think about what a far left addled Britain would be like for the children I plan to have in a couple of years, and promptly voted Tory, holding my nose, for the first time in my life.

Hopefully such a thorough rejection of their twaddle will embolden a greater pushback against identitarian bollocks in classrooms.
 
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I would be suspicious of pundits who are quick to throw Corbyn under the bus and blame the failures on him alone. Is he not the avatar for the far-left? Did he not embrace many far-left social and economic positions? Was he not their brave leader right up to the election itself?
It says:

could not win because of Jeremy Corbyn and the rancid political clique he led
So yeah, a cabal incompatible with modern Britain according to the article but I dont think it's a case of throwing Corbs under the bus because Cohen and The Spectator arent exactly Labour's biggest fans.
 
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I haven't followed much of British politics, but what is Ree talking about with "130,000 people are dying" What are they referencing?
 

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Congratulations Britons on your victory and future independence from the EU.

Except it won't happen, because you joined a fascist organization in the first place. Brexit might just spark war in the EU. The vote to leave happened in ducking June 2016, and the UK is STILL in the EU. I don't see it changing anytime soon.
There's a massively majority government now, the treacherous MPs that blocked it are gone now. If Boris doesn't leave on 31st Jan it'll be political suicide.
 

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The shame is there really is elements of racism and bigotry in this world and these shitstools have long diminished the word to a hollow, one note joke that has lost any meaning. Their constant tantrums and loose and inaccurate use of the word has destroyed it. Also, they are guilty of abject and hateful bigotry themselves when it suits their emotions and purposes.

I have read people say, "No that person is racist like really, actually racist". Good job SJWs, your tantrums made this shit harder for people to call out actual bigotry and crime against humanity... like China. Wonder why China gets a pass tho?
 
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Congrats on the Brits for winning both the popular vote AND the house majority.

You guys avoided a "Canada" situation, where only London could decide the fate of your country.

Looks a lot like US electoral maps. The divide between ethnic and culturally British people and the urban globalist "elite" and minorities is stark.
 

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To further add to this, my wife works in Social Services, and while lack of funding is absolutely a massive problem, they're still far more overwhelmed by and resentful of the number of people abusing the system, who are catered to despite their unwillingness to change self destructive behavior and immigrants demanding every single benefit they can the moment they enter the country and accusing everyone of racism if they dont get it, rather than a lack of resources.

To put it into further perspective, her office of serveral hudred people are mostly celebrating the reults today.
 

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Congrats on Boris for the win.

Hopefully he delivers on his promise of a swift Brexit so that the UK can finally move on and get back to making globalist, free trade deals.
 
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I don't understand all this 'we won you lost' stuff. Surely if one side of the election 'won' and it was the right choice, then everyone 'wins'? I mean, they all live in the same country right? If the government is dedicated to making society better, they are making it better for all? Am I missing something here?
 

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I don't understand all this 'we won you lost' stuff. Surely if one side of the election 'won' and it was the right choice, then everyone 'wins'? I mean, they all live in the same country right? If the government is dedicated to making society better, they are making it better for all? Am I missing something here?
The losing side do not believe the elected government is trying to make it better for all.
 

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I don't understand all this 'we won you lost' stuff. Surely if one side of the election 'won' and it was the right choice, then everyone 'wins'? I mean, they all live in the same country right? If the government is dedicated to making society better, they are making it better for all? Am I missing something here?
Its a clash of ideologies. Maybe we are quickly reaching the breaking point where "democracy" breaks down. The cultural divide is growing. I am not sure if democracy can function in a multicultural (by the modern oil and water definition, as opposed to a melting pot) society. The majority will always "oppress" the minority if their base values do not align.
 

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I don't understand all this 'we won you lost' stuff. Surely if one side of the election 'won' and it was the right choice, then everyone 'wins'? I mean, they all live in the same country right? If the government is dedicated to making society better, they are making it better for all? Am I missing something here?
Everyone won because democracy was maintained, the remoaners never got their second referendum and Jo Swinson is now unemployed.
 

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Its a clash of ideologies. Maybe we are quickly reaching the breaking point where "democracy" breaks down. The cultural divide is growing. I am not sure if democracy can function in a multicultural (by the modern oil and water definition, as opposed to a melting pot) society. The majority will always "oppress" the minority if their base values do not align.
I disagree that "the cultural divide is growing" because there are too many people who don't fall hard on one side or another. There's a big blob in the middle and they prefer gettin' along instead of outright civil war.

There is an artificial divide growing (pushed by scaremongers and the media), a cozy "divide" that is only possible in countries with relative boredom and prosperity. In truth, these far-left and far-right extremists are budding and dividing and moving away from the main social cell. We're not talking about two equal ideologies clashing. We're talking about a relatively new organism entering the market, failing to compete, and slowly losing its influence over the decades.

In 30 years, these progressive ideologues will shrink to a tiny minority and will be the new stereotypical "racist southerners sitting on their porch calling people the N word",except they'll slap you for misgendering them, scream at you for buying beef, key your car for being white, etc.
 
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I disagree that "the cultural divide is growing" because there are too many people who don't fall hard on one side or another. There's a big blob in the middle and they prefer gettin' along instead of outright civil war.

There is an artificial divide growing (pushed by scaremongers and the media), a cozy "divide" that is only possible in countries with relative boredom and prosperity. In truth, these far-left and far-right extremists are budding and dividing and moving away from the main social cell. We're not talking about two equal ideologies clashing. We're talking about a relatively new organism entering the market, failing to compete, and slowly losing its influence over the decades.

In 30 years, these progressive ideologues will shrink to a tiny minority and will be the new stereotypical "racist southerners sitting on their porch calling people the N word",except they'll slap you for misgendering them, scream at you for buying beef, key your car for being white, etc.
Not disagreeing with you, just reassuringly pointing out they won't be able to afford a porch and thus, since they also dont have kids who woupd otherwise take them in and care for them, will all be in care homes out of everyone else's way.
 
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