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|OT| British Election mega-thread - 12th December 2019 : Let's try again, again.

Rentahamster

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Its a clash of ideologies. Maybe we are quickly reaching the breaking point where "democracy" breaks down. The cultural divide is growing.
Ideological clashes have always been a thing. This one isn't that bad. We just hear about it more often due to our modern access to information.

Democracy is still fine, IMO. Generally speaking. It's not perfect, and there are a lot of issues, (e.g. gerrymandering, superdelegates, popular vote vs EC, hacking, fraud, etc) but the overall system is still sound. At the end of the day, despite our "differences", changes of power occur, and they occur without the need of wars or conflict.

Any perceived cultural divide is mostly exaggerations exploited by a sensationalist media for clicks and views. When outrage and zaniness and self-righteous ranting are profitable, the invisible hand of the free market is going to nudge things in that direction.
 
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Scotcucks taking the opportunity to welcome refugees! :messenger_tears_of_joy:

Notice how Britain is an island located at the northern part of Europe, and yet refugees from all over the world are still being told to move there?

Remember I say this because every time I bring up Japan, people tell me they don't have the same migrant issue for being an "island". Well, what makes Britain any different but they're being called racists now for having borders?
 
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I can tell you something, the relief that Labour lost, and more importantly and mainly, that Corbyn will no longer be PM, within the Jewish community is massive.

For as long as Corbyn was leading Labour the anti semitism was increasing every day, no longer a narrative used exclusively by the right, I was seeing rhetoric from the Corbynites and groups like Momentum which would have been right at home with Nazi Germany.

The cult of Corbyn are arrogant, hateful, anti semetic fools who blindly defended Corbyn and screamed and shouted in defence whenever anything that evil cunt Corbyn has done, like being friends with Hamas and Hizbollah or defending an anti semetic mural.

Now these people are crying on social media and talking about the impact its having on their mental health because Corbyn lost.

Good, its time to realise that they can't and don't control the narrative, and get to see what happens as a result of spewing and accepting hatred.

I couldn't be more happier and I'm gleefully shoving it down their throats on Facebook.

It's brilliant.
 
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I can tell you something, the relief that Labour lost, and more importantly and mainly, that Corbyn will no longer be PM, within the Jewish community is massive.

For as long as Corbyn was leading Labour the anti semitism was increasing every day, no longer a narrative used exclusively by the right, I was seeing rhetoric from the Corbynites and groups like Momentum which would have been right at home with Nazi Germany.

The cult of Corbyn are arrogant, hateful, anti semetic fools who blindly defended Corbyn and screamed and shouted in defence whenever anything that evil cunt Corbyn has done, like being friends with Hamas and Hizbollah or defending an anti semetic mural.

Now these people are crying on social media and talking about the impact its having on their mental health because Corbyn lost.

Good, its time to realise that they can't and don't control the narrative, and get to see what happens as a result of spewing and accepting hatred.

I couldn't be more happier and I'm gleefully shoving it down their throats on Facebook.

It's brilliant.
Sorry but nothing will change by this short term.

Maybe this is your first rodeo with a deeply fractured left party taking a hit.
'The leading faction on a deeply fractured left party took a huge embarrassing loss and then they say "looks like our policies were not popular, we should stand down and let another faction have a go and try their luck"'
--Said no political faction ever.

Momentum still 100% control labour. They will not give up power and walk quitely out into the night.


Instead what you will see is that the faction that is fully in charge, Momentum, will double down.
"The policies are deeply popular."
"Surveys show people love the policies".
"The fault was the delivery of the message, not the message itself".
"The fault was <other external event outside of our control>."
"Major part of the failed delivery of the message was the discord from <other faction == moderates> that sabotaged the campaign and lost us the election".
Maybe throw Corbyn under the bus, but it was really not his fault, it was all a smear campaign.


Momentum has still firm control of labour. They will not give that up without a (very bloody and public) fight,
Instead they will pick another candidate from Corbyns circle, possible even more hard communist than he was.
and then blame and vilify the centrists for betraying the party, causing discontent and causing the loss.

This is not a capitulation. This is just an escalation. Wait and you will see.

I bet you will start seeing the seeds of this happening over the next few days or weeks.
 
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rykomatsu

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At the end of the day, despite our "differences", changes of power occur, and they occur without the need of wars or conflict.
If you mean physical conflict, then yeah sure...but I hardly think change of power in 2016 was / is without conflict. There is somewhat of a soft coup and delegitimization of the presidency that's still ongoing.
 

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I'm just catching up with the reactions and meltdowns today. I woke up around half an hour after the exit poll announcement (different timezone). That was a good start to the morning!



Still, you can't trust polls 100% (even exit polls), and it wasn't until I checked back a few hours later and saw the "red wall" crumbling that the fun really started:



While I don't anything will ever top that first trump victory in terms of clown material, I've had a fun morning perusing the likes of twitter, Reeeee and The Guardian.



Good job Boris!



Oh, and you too, Vlad (who we all know is the mastermind behind all this, right?)

 

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I cannot believe for one second that you honestly doubt twitter is more left leaning than anything else. San Francisco based company.
It's not about company at all, it's about the users. Even US distribution of 35% vs 60% is nowhere as bad as people paint it here.
(tell me how it is on tumbler)
And that is US alone, a sizable, but just a fraction of twitter users.
 

llien

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I can probably guess which one is bigger from the dealings I have with people day-to-day
You absolutely can't, and I'd say, obviously.
We wouldn't need polls if you could just guess nation wide figures from your personal experience.

Jo Swinson live on TV right now, claims she lost because we are all racist!


Hold on, is she also POC, like E. Warren?

When I look at stats, with LibDem + Labor matching Tories on total votes, perhaps they lost because they didn't pick up the right strategy and split the voters.
 

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I guess most continental Europeans will be satisfied with that result. At least it will put an and to the 3 years long British dance of "let's leave but not like this nor like that or maybe or not or let's discuss it again". Wherever that leads us, at least we'll be moving again.
 

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You absolutely can't, and I'd say, obviously.
We wouldn't need polls if you could just guess nation wide figures from your personal experience.
You don't need polls. Anywhere you go, no matter what part of the UK, people are people who are people who are like people.

Fads are cults are cults are fads. Look at 'moshers' in the 90's or mods, or rockers or charvers. All talk like the group, walk like the group, dress like the group. They have group think, group mentality. That's social conditioning, social proofing and how every group or clique works.

Why do you think things like the soy-boy smile is a meme? Because it captures so many people who do exactly that one thing.

So in terms of twitter, or social media at large, they are more left-leaning than any one else. Hell, I would even go out on a limb and say the higher the usage of social media, the more left-leaning a person it. There's more reasons behind it than just social media, which I would go in to, if it didn't take such a dark and almost conspiracy-like turn.

I laughed at this, a lot. I love dead-pan British humour.
 
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I’ve found it interesting watching Corbyns reaction to all this.

His body language. His tone. His careful choice of words. His facial expressions. His responses to interviewer questions. All very defiant. No contrition. No soul searching. No introspection. No acceptance of any personal responsibility for the crushing defeat, even though as leader he is ultimately responsible for the direction his party has taken.

Nothing to do with him, no sir. Nothing to do with his nation bankrupting policies, ‘no sir, our policies were very popular sir!’.

No it was all Brexits fault!

Even his intention to ‘resign’ came across as weasel worded media fodder designed to placate the pundits in the short term.

I’m starting to think that this guy isn’t going anywhere and will be ‘convinced’ by certain elements within the Labour Party to remain leader. I’m starting to think Jeremy Corbyn is legitimately fucking crackers.
 
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I’ve found it interesting watching Corbyns reaction to all this.

His body language. His tone. His careful choice of words. His facial expressions. His responses to interviewer questions. All very defiant. No contrition. No soul searching. No introspection. No acceptance of any personal responsibility for the crushing defeat, even though as leader he is ultimately responsible for the direction his party has taken.

Nothing to do with him, no sir. Nothing to do with his nation bankrupting policies, ‘no sir, our policies were very popular sir!’.

No it was all Brexits fault!

Even his intention to ‘resign’ came across as weasel worded media fodder designed to placate the pundits in the short term.

I’m starting to think that this guy isn’t going anywhere and will be ‘convinced’ by certain elements within the Labour Party to remain leader. I’m starting to think Jeremy Corbyn is legitimately fucking crackers.
That's an interesting point. There was an interview with a more centrist Labour MP last night who said look, for this election the Corbynites had everything they wanted. The leadership, the policies, the strategy, the staff - it was all done their way. And it was a big fat failure with the electorate.

I think you're right that Corbyn still doesn't accept that somehow. However, I don't think he'll stay on personally. What he will do is stay in charge long enough to make sure that the successor they appoint is basically just him again though. I look forward to doing this all over again in 5 years time!
 

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I’ve found it interesting watching Corbyns reaction to all this.

His body language. His tone. His careful choice of words. His facial expressions. His responses to interviewer questions. All very defiant. No contrition. No soul searching. No introspection. No acceptance of any personal responsibility for the crushing defeat even though as leader he is ultimately responsible for the direction his party has taken.

Nothing to do with him, no sir. Nothing to do with his nation bankrupting policies, ‘no sir, our policies were very popular sir!’.

No it was all Brexits fault!

Even his intention to ‘resign’ came across as weasel worded media fodder designed to placate the pundits in the short term.

I’m starting to think that this guy isn’t going anywhere and will be ‘convinced’ by certain elements within the Labour Party to remain leader. I’m starting to think Jeremy Corbyn is legitimately fucking crackers.
Yeh I don’t think Corbyn is going nowhere. Momentum will keep him there as their messiah. I think there will be a massive split inside Labour in the coming months between the centrists and the socialists with neither side forming an effective opposition to the Tories.

Corbyns interview yesterday was very odd he took no responsibility for the loss and blamed it all on Brexit, Labour needed to deep some introspection after yesterday’s results instead they are turning a blind eye to what actually cost them the election and it was Corbyn, their bonkers manifesto, their fence sitting over Brexit, taking their traditional voters for granted and a lack of understanding of the political ground the UK occupy’s which has always been the centre ground here.
 

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However, I don't think he'll stay on personally. What he will do is stay in charge long enough to make sure that the successor they appoint is basically just him again though. I look forward to doing this all over again in 5 years time!
Yeah that’s probably more likely. A Corbylike. Corby in lipstick. A replacement acceptable to the extremists currently in the driving seat of the party. Same shit, less baggage.

Still, I wouldn’t be too shocked at seeing him stay on and I bet he bloody well wants to!

If the party had any sense they’d get rid of Corbyn, excise Momentum like the cancer it is and clean house top to bottom.

Carry on like they are and I can see Labour suffering even harsher defeats at the hands of the electorate, especially if Boris and the cons have the sense enough to steal traditional labour thunder during this cycle and act in the best interests of their new found votes.
 
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Sorry but nothing will change by this short term.

Maybe this is your first rodeo with a deeply fractured left party taking a hit.
'The leading faction on a deeply fractured left party took a huge embarrassing loss and then they say "looks like our policies were not popular, we should stand down and let another faction have a go and try their luck"'
--Said no political faction ever.

Momentum still 100% control labour. They will not give up power and walk quitely out into the night.


Instead what you will see is that the faction that is fully in charge, Momentum, will double down.
"The policies are deeply popular."
"Surveys show people love the policies".
"The fault was the delivery of the message, not the message itself".
"The fault was <other external event outside of our control>."
"Major part of the failed delivery of the message was the discord from <other faction == moderates> that sabotaged the campaign and lost us the election".
Maybe throw Corbyn under the bus, but it was really not his fault, it was all a smear campaign.


Momentum has still firm control of labour. They will not give that up without a (very bloody and public) fight,
Instead they will pick another candidate from Corbyns circle, possible even more hard communist than he was.
and then blame and vilify the centrists for betraying the party, causing discontent and causing the loss.

This is not a capitulation. This is just an escalation. Wait and you will see.

I bet you will start seeing the seeds of this happening over the next few days or weeks.
This was on the radio last night. They will likely appoint another mental case leader and the result will be labour will be their own permanent undoing.

Scope this fruitcake

 

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yeh I would like to see Jess take a shot that man-hater needs to be knocked down a peg too.

Did he try and invoke Churchill with the "we will fight them..." speech?
Except none of them have a Churchillian bone in their body he would look at the EU as the forth reich and would probably be calling for Brexit himself.

And isn’t it amazing how all of sudden everyone is using the courts to try and bend Parliament to their will. Gina Miller, the SNP are going to try and do it over indyref 2 like just fucking accept that you lost than we can move on quicker dragging political decisions through the courts only slows it down.
 
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At the moment it's still not clear whether this election spells the end for Labour's drift to the far left and anti-Semitism (that's a war which is going to be fought in the party over the coming months). What it 100% does spell the end of, however, is the Remain campaign. The big problem with Brexit over the past 3 and a half years has been the fact that although 52% of the people voted leave, 75% of parliamentarians were Remainers and have been fighting a rearguard action ever since the referendum (aided and abetted at ties by the media and the EU):



Now that resistance has finally come to an end. All the major players have given up and accepted that Brexit is now going to happen:









Remember those MPs who went independent to block Brexit? Anna Soubry, Dominic Grieve etc? All gone:



Remember the FBPE types on twitter, the QCs fighting in the courts, that obnoxious "Brexit man" who always rudely made a racket outside Parliament? All irrelevant now:



For those small minority of hard-core Remainers, Remain must now become Rejoin. That's a different prospect altogether. What about the Euro, Shengen, the new EU army, the rebate the UK had, no "ever closer union" opt-outs...? The list goes on and on. The rest if us, Leavers and Remainers alike, will just get on with our lives.

The battle for Brexit, 2016-2019, is now at an end.
 
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From the tweet in the post above:
People's Vote Campaign's Tom Baldwin says PM "exploited a divided opposition"
If this is mean as criticism of the PM then it fails.
If the opposition is divided, that's on them. That's their own issue. It weakens them. It's up to them to fix it.
If you're in a battle and you're already divided, expect to be conquered.

A challenger isn't wrong to take advantage of an opponent's weakness.
You are wrong to be using projection instead of introspection.

--

It seems the notions of self awareness, accountability and responsibility that have been erroded since the SJW movement gained traction have little signs of abating.
There are only so many times you can blame everyone else for your failures.
Until then, keep failing, keep asking "How could this happen?" and keep ignoring when people answer that question.
 
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Notice how Britain is an island located at the northern part of Europe, and yet refugees from all over the world are still being told to move there?

Remember I say this because every time I bring up Japan, people tell me they don't have the same migrant issue for being an "island". Well, what makes Britain any different but they're being called racists now for having borders?
I know it's the shining example but even Japan is under the same changes. The youth especially have an image that foreigners are great, probably not helped by most showing up there have money or have qualifications. Most of their foreign workforce is from India or the Phillipines. Working in convenience stores, fast food restaurants, or hotels. However they are also absorbing their view of the world from the likes of Twitter. I spent the other day trying to explain how people aren't declaring their pronouns. I also remember last time I was there, seeing a commercial on TV with the theme of "Diversity". They actually use that word. It had a bunch of foreigners and English being spoken as some innocent Japanese office lady is led through all the changes, accompanied by the voice of a transsexual who says the tagline at the end with a smile.

The plan is truly underway. Nations have to be destroyed because Zuckerberg, Pichai and the rest of the vermin ain't got no need for borders anymore. Who gives a shit about the little people.

I imagine this will go into overdrive post-Tokyo Olympics 2020.
 

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My final election post. A warning:



While I expected the 19-24 year olds to support Corbyn, those 25-34 and 35-44 groups are a little scary. The Tories and and other parties need to do something about that.

31 January 2020 - Brexit Day. There will almost certainly be plenty of meltdowns. See you all then!
 
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Kazza

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Last, last one :messenger_beaming:

Even Gary Lineker seems to have (finally) accepted Brexit with good grace:



Being a Spurs fan, this pleases me greatly. Let's come together now. No more Leavers and Remainers, just Britons!

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(fuck Arsenal fans tho...)
 
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Last, last one :messenger_beaming:

Even Gary Lineker seems to have (finally) accepted Brexit with good grace:



Being a Spurs fan, this pleases me greatly. Let's come together now. No more Leavers and Remainers, just Britons!

Edit:

(fuck Arsenal fans tho...)
Gary Lineker not moaning? It's a Christmas miracle!
 
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It’s quite funny browsing Reera because I tried to explain to them last year that going round calling leave voters thick, racists, xenophobes was an awful tactic as it won’t win them support for remaining in the EU or electing Labour to power. I was seriously dog piled for it and was called a racist myself because I had genuine criticism of the EU and could understand why people voted leave.

I feel quite vindicated now as I had feeling this would happen and reading social media/ree it seems that message still hasn’t sunk in.

They still quite seriously underestimate BoJo as he is actually a very clever person and has played a very good game if this was GoT he would be Twyin Lannister.

makes me feel good that I account suicided whilst dropping truth bombs on them and their PC culture get rekt.
 
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