Nuclear Muffin
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Capndrake said:
Ahh good, I always thought it would've made a much better fit for Wii Ware than a retail release.
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Bundles of Awesome - The Official WiiWare Discussion Thread
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Ahh good, I always thought it would've made a much better fit for Wii Ware than a retail release.
The Main Event
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Wizpig said:
4:3 games (and any other games for that matter, even 16:9 ones) will look crisper if you manually set your Wii and your TV to 4:3. Even if Mega Man 9 manually puts it at 4:3 when in 16:9 mode, there's wasted pixels in the black bars.
jarosh explained it really well here.
JoshuaJSlone
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To get a 4:3 image within an anamorphic 16:9 image, it will only use 3/4 of the horizontal resolution it would if it were allowed to use the full frame. Let me fake up some examples using original Mega Man shots. Since I'm not positive of what sort of resolution/resizing is going on internally this is only an approximation.Wizpig said:
Original:
Anamorphic with columns:
Anamorphic with columns, stretched back out:
As a still, you can see some of the definition is lost. In motion there's extra difference, in that depending on where something is on screen, it will be resized into a slightly different result, and the inconstant appearance is noticeable. Using a part of the above screen, I'll make a mockup of this, too.
Original:
Anamorphic with columns:
Anamorphic with columns, stretched back out:
JoshuaJSlone
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Well, I think most (all?) actual Virtual Console games just use the full frame regardless of how you have your Wii set, so it wouldn't make a difference. Different disc-based or WiiWare games handle it differently.y2dvd said:
Part 1 of an interview with Mindware, about MaBoShi. Pretty insightful.
AndyMoogle
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It will be up in 4 hours.CoolS said:
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
is there a way to set the games individualy, like keep wii games on 16:9 and vc games 4:3?JoshuaJSlone said:
do the vc games even have a 16:9 mode, or is it just always defaulted to 4:3?
Nuclear Muffin
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mattiewheels said:
All VC games are 4x3, no exceptions.
Caesar III
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is helix any good?
OOF! Bomberman (finally) on Tuesday for J-Gaf! JOY!
Also, some new Japanese rhythm action game called 'Aero Guitar'...
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/wiiware/index.html
Also, some new Japanese rhythm action game called 'Aero Guitar'...
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wii/wiiware/index.html
abstract alien
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From what ive gathered, its a pretty mixed bag...and at its best, its decent.Caesar III said:
Caesar III
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My girlfriend fell in love and it is quite cool. You have to like those music mixes. But if you like the boxing of wii fit (she did it really often) and DDR this game is quite good 
abstract alien
Member
Im a fan of the music...i do wish it had groove blocks(or whatever its called) music though.Caesar III said:My girlfriend fell in love and it is quite cool. You have to like those music mixes. But if you like the boxing of wii fit (she did it really often) and DDR this game is quite good
Glad it turned out ok for you and you enjoy it.
:^)
Caesar III
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yeah I enjoy watching my girlfriend doing some workoutabstract alien said:
leroy hacker
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There's already a discussion about Orbient in the VC thread, but I figure some info belongs in this thread also.
Orbient is an update to the GBA release Bit Generations: Orbital, developed by Skip. This version offers at least ten new levels and new graphics, so it's not a straight port.
Gameplay video of Bit Generations: Orbital.
For those that didn't import, the Bit Generations game were incredible and are unlike anything else on the market in both presentation and game design. That Nintendo is continuing this series on Wiiware is great news for the future of the service.
Time to clean the fridge!
Orbient is an update to the GBA release Bit Generations: Orbital, developed by Skip. This version offers at least ten new levels and new graphics, so it's not a straight port.
Gameplay video of Bit Generations: Orbital.
For those that didn't import, the Bit Generations game were incredible and are unlike anything else on the market in both presentation and game design. That Nintendo is continuing this series on Wiiware is great news for the future of the service.
Time to clean the fridge!
:Motorbass
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Whaaaa; oh my that is great! I imported the original Version. I can't wait to see this with higher quality samples and graphics, the sound design was really great! Weeee!leroy hacker said:There's already a discussion about Orbient in the VC thread, but I figure some info belongs in this thread also.
Orbient is an update to the GBA release Bit Generations: Orbital, developed by Skip. This version offers at least ten new levels and new graphics, so it's not a straight port.
Gameplay video of Bit Generations: Orbital.
For those that didn't import, the Bit Generations game were incredible and are unlike anything else on the market in both presentation and game design. That Nintendo is continuing this series on Wiiware is great news for the future of the service.
Time to clean the fridge!
leroy hacker said:There's already a discussion about Orbient in the VC thread, but I figure some info belongs in this thread also.
Orbient is an update to the GBA release Bit Generations: Orbital, developed by Skip. This version offers at least ten new levels and new graphics, so it's not a straight port.
Gameplay video of Bit Generations: Orbital.
For those that didn't import, the Bit Generations game were incredible and are unlike anything else on the market in both presentation and game design. That Nintendo is continuing this series on Wiiware is great news for the future of the service.
Time to clean the fridge!
Oh my goodness! Though it's a little sad that they do some recycling.
splattergnome
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Shiggy said:
Considering that the game never recieved a release outside of Japan, it should be forgiven - at least this way the game will recieve much more appreciation. I just hope they didn't ruin the charm of the original in this update.
And this should be a good precedent for Mother 3 appearing on Wiiware, too.
leroy hacker
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birdchili said:
This game has no direct directional control-it just uses two buttons. One buttons turns on gravity, the other turns on anti-gravity. I expect a lot of sites to pan the game because they can't figure out the controls.
I see this version either using 1 and 2, or using A and B.
Nuclear Muffin
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birdchili said:
Nope, Skip is a 2nd Party but we're getting closer at least!
Maybe there is a chance of Mother 3 for Wii Ware afterall!
splattergnome
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Nuclear Muffin said:Maybe there is a chance of Mother 3 for Wii Ware afterall!
Maybe Nintendo didn't release Earthbound on VC yet because they want to follow up on its release with the still-in-production Wii GBA emulator is working on for Mother 3.
Mother 3 will never arrive on these shores.
thanks. i found these impressions on nintendojo for the gba version.leroy hacker said:
i hope A/B control is at least an option. i'm always bamboozled when games that could easily play in "remote style" have only "nes style" options.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
jj984jj said:
But what if the work was already done for them?!
Believe!
leroy hacker
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Edit: I just dled Orbient. It is only 126 blocks. It uses the A and B buttons.
I'm posting a guide I wrote last year to playing Orbital, slightly updated based on Orbient, to help orient new players.
In most games, you directly control your character's velocity, while in this game you directly control your acceleration, via gravity. That is the main reason why the controls in Orbital can be confusing. Frequently you need to ignore the buttons and simply enjoy the music as your planet floats through space towards its destination, once you have it lined up.
When you don't hold either button down, you're moving at a constant velocity(unless you're in orbit-but more on that later). This is key-you don't need to be holding down any button most of the time. Pressing the attract button turns on your mass, and all of the bodies in the area will exert forces on you in accordance with newton's law. With the repel button, your mass is treated as negative-this reverses the directions of the force and thus acceleration vectors. Orbient graphically represent these forces of attraction and repulsion.
The first fundamental gameplay technique is to tap, not hold, the buttons to nudge your velocity vector to be a desired direction and line up with something. If you tap, the force is on for just a moment, so you can just think that a small vector is being added to your velocity vector.
There is a situation where forces are applied to your character without holding a button-you can enter orbit around a planet if you are close enough(and also moving in the correct direction), in which case you move at constant angular velocity instead of constant velocity. In orbit, the attract and repel buttons work in the obvious way, by moving your orbit in or out. Orbient displays a circle representing your orbit when you move within orbit. Your speed increases as you get closer to the orbited object. However, if you are on the very edge of the orbit, and you tap repel, you will be released from orbit and continue moving at the velocity you were moving at that point in the orbit, namely, in the straight line tangent to the orbit.
Doing is part of slingshotting, the second fundamental technique-to enter orbit around a planet, and then exit it a bit later to aim yourself in some direction(say, at a planet you want to pick up or at another planet you want to orbit).
Finally, you don't need to use the predefined orbits to orbit or slingshot. If one body dominates among the different gravity force vectors by being much larger or closer or several bodies are clustered so that they act as one large object, and you hold down the positive mass button, your orbit trajectory will be approximately a Keplerian orbit-ie a parabola, hyperbola, circle or ellipse. So you can slingshot outside of the predefined orbits of a planet. Usually, since there will be other forces interfering, you need to sometimes release to correct the orbit. Usually it feels like: hold, release, hold, release, as opposed to the tapping I mentioned earlier.
Appendix: High school physics review:
Velocity is the rate of change of position. It is a vector-something with magnitude and direction. Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity-it is also a vector. F=ma, in other words, the acceleration of a moving body is proportional to the force acting on it. In the absence of an external force, a body moves at a constant velocity. One fact about Newton's law of gravity is crucial: The direction of the gravitational force exerted by one body on another is towards that body. The force exerted by several bodies is the vector sum of the individual forces.
I'm posting a guide I wrote last year to playing Orbital, slightly updated based on Orbient, to help orient new players.
In most games, you directly control your character's velocity, while in this game you directly control your acceleration, via gravity. That is the main reason why the controls in Orbital can be confusing. Frequently you need to ignore the buttons and simply enjoy the music as your planet floats through space towards its destination, once you have it lined up.
When you don't hold either button down, you're moving at a constant velocity(unless you're in orbit-but more on that later). This is key-you don't need to be holding down any button most of the time. Pressing the attract button turns on your mass, and all of the bodies in the area will exert forces on you in accordance with newton's law. With the repel button, your mass is treated as negative-this reverses the directions of the force and thus acceleration vectors. Orbient graphically represent these forces of attraction and repulsion.
The first fundamental gameplay technique is to tap, not hold, the buttons to nudge your velocity vector to be a desired direction and line up with something. If you tap, the force is on for just a moment, so you can just think that a small vector is being added to your velocity vector.
There is a situation where forces are applied to your character without holding a button-you can enter orbit around a planet if you are close enough(and also moving in the correct direction), in which case you move at constant angular velocity instead of constant velocity. In orbit, the attract and repel buttons work in the obvious way, by moving your orbit in or out. Orbient displays a circle representing your orbit when you move within orbit. Your speed increases as you get closer to the orbited object. However, if you are on the very edge of the orbit, and you tap repel, you will be released from orbit and continue moving at the velocity you were moving at that point in the orbit, namely, in the straight line tangent to the orbit.
Doing is part of slingshotting, the second fundamental technique-to enter orbit around a planet, and then exit it a bit later to aim yourself in some direction(say, at a planet you want to pick up or at another planet you want to orbit).
Finally, you don't need to use the predefined orbits to orbit or slingshot. If one body dominates among the different gravity force vectors by being much larger or closer or several bodies are clustered so that they act as one large object, and you hold down the positive mass button, your orbit trajectory will be approximately a Keplerian orbit-ie a parabola, hyperbola, circle or ellipse. So you can slingshot outside of the predefined orbits of a planet. Usually, since there will be other forces interfering, you need to sometimes release to correct the orbit. Usually it feels like: hold, release, hold, release, as opposed to the tapping I mentioned earlier.
Appendix: High school physics review:
Velocity is the rate of change of position. It is a vector-something with magnitude and direction. Acceleration is the rate of change of velocity-it is also a vector. F=ma, in other words, the acceleration of a moving body is proportional to the force acting on it. In the absence of an external force, a body moves at a constant velocity. One fact about Newton's law of gravity is crucial: The direction of the gravitational force exerted by one body on another is towards that body. The force exerted by several bodies is the vector sum of the individual forces.
JoshuaJSlone
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It's not like the original got much exposure in Japan, anyway. A while ago in a sales thread we noticed that no Bit Generation game ever made a weekly Top 30 or yearly Top 500.splattergnome said:
leroy hacker
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bryehn said:
Soundvoyager is designed for headphone, so I doubt it. One can play it with a proper stereo (or surround) setup, but since it won't work with most TV speakers I think Nintendo won't bother.
Father_Brain
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Video of Orbient's first stage. Looks decent.
Zerodoppler
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Orbient is good, but the presentation feels a bit cheap.
Princess Skittles
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So what are the best WiiWare games out there? So far I've bought Star Solider R (awesome), Gyrostarr (disappointing), Mega Man 9 (good) and Art Style: Orbient (awesome). I wish there were demos for everything (or anything, to be honest), I've been spoiled by the Xbox Live Arcade. How is Protöthea in particular?
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