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byuu's SNES preservation project: $10k in EU games missing in post. Update: Found!

Earthbound64

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Did they not insure that package? If you're shipping almost $10k of games, it seems beyond foolish to not have crazy insurance.
They did, but not for the full value.
More details on byuu's forum: https://board.byuu.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1525&start=0
Insane.

From their forums:

> Bregalad asked if the $5,000-$10,000 value was declared when the package was first shipped. That's about it.

The last package said €2500 on the customs form. I don't know what was written on this one. I don't think you can put a number lower than you insure the package for.
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It probably would have been cheaper for him to fly to Europe and just dump them over the course of a week.
Also, this.
 

Kenstar

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But this is stupid as hell. I mean, did he not purchase an insurance for those games? Why on Earth didn't he send the rom dumping device(s) to Europe instead the other way around? Why was he dumping games that are already dumped on the internet? This is completely bonkers.
He wanted to guarantee they were bit perfect so in 40 years the only way to play some snes game isn't an old slightly corrupted rip
 

GiantBreadbug

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It honestly baffles me how USPS gets away scott free for losing 10k worth of stuff that they had the responsibility or delivering. Is there no law against this?
Yeah seems like you should be able to fuckin mail something without paying extra for them to take responsibility for fucking it up.

This is unbelievable
 

Ernest

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I ship expensive stuff for work all the time - one thing I've learned is to NEVER use USPS for expensive stuff. Just go with Fed.Ex. Yeah, it costs more, but as with all things expensive, it's worth it. Literally thousands and thousands of shipments, not a single one of them lost.

Seriously, who uses USPS to ship expensive, irreplaceable stuff?
 

Fhtagn

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It honestly baffles me how USPS gets away scott free for losing 10k worth of stuff that they had the responsibility or delivering. Is there no law against this?
If you don't pay for insurance, how can the USPS know the value of the package? The economics of the postal system would fall apart if every pacakage was insured for an arbitrary value.

This package was insured but not for the full amount, so that it's not insured for the full amount isn't USPS's problem.
 

Theslammer

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Man, I have NEVER had a problem with USPS, so I really hate hearing this. This is the bummeriest bummer that ever bummed.
 

Jacce

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He needs to be tweeting this at Nintendo. With stories like this that make even a bit of publicity, usually someone will get off their ass and find it.
Tweeting to Nintendo about a project to digitally rip SNES carts? Uh....Nintendo wouldn't be supportive of that. At all.
 

br3wnor

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That really sucks but at least nothing truly unique was lost, the European guy can rebuy the games to stock his collection. Hopefully this guy finds another person willing to help him archive these games.
 

Rolodzeo

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He wanted to guarantee they were bit perfect so in 40 years the only way to play some snes game isn't an old slightly corrupted rip
Were there SO MANY incorrect dumps? Why not dumping only those corrupted? There's a reason hashes exists and they are (usually) publicly available. Why on Earth sending hundreds of carts by mail (back and forth!!!) instead of the dumping device(s)?


????????
 

HammerOfThor

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With USPS, you get what you pay for. They're cheap for a reason. If something is of high importance, I never ever go with them. Pay the extra money and use UPS or FedEx. They still have their downs, but they are far more reliable than USPS.
 
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Hindsight and all, but why not purchase a planeticket and take your equipment on the road? Do all the ROM dumping at the owners residence? That way his games never leave his sight. Can the equipment needed not fit under a plane? Or why not send the dumping equipmet to the game owner and teach him how to do it?
 

KojiKnight

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Devastating... But it'd have been a lot less costly to plan a week vacation to Europe with the proper tools and just done the work there. I'd think.
 

hollomat

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USPS are absolutely terrible. I've had nothing but awful experiences with them.

I would pay extra for shipping on any item I ordered if it guaranteed usps wouldn't be used.
 

LinkSlayer64

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Hindsight and all, but why not purchase a planeticket and take your equipment on the road? Do all the ROM dumping at the owners residence? That way his games never leave his sight. Can the equipment needed not fit under a plane?
Devastating... But it'd have been a lot less costly to plan a week vacation to Europe with the proper tools and just done the work there. I'd think.

He was also archiving cartridge art, dunno what tools he was using to do all this. Nor do we know if he has the time to just take off work for a week and stay in some unfamiliar place.


One issue here, why does he owe the sender money? Isn't it their fault for not insuring it? Or are they just being a decent person who feels bad about the loss of games?
 

Dark_3nergy

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Sending 10k$ worth of games with standard mail? Pay some more and use a courier, jesus. This sucks, but it could have been avoided.
Absolutely agree. Definitely the senders error here.

On the topic of lost shipments; I know a guy who does business as a small retro shop. He lost a shipment that nearly wasn't as expensive as the guy in the OP. But after that experience he no longer sells online period.
 

Robin64

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To answer why he was redumping games:

byuu said:
Furthermore, I began a preservation project to collect and redump every SNES game ever released. In doing so, it became apparently clear that our emulation of the SNES memory map for games was very flawed: rather than emulate which areas of memory were unmapped (open bus), we simply mirrored ROM and RAM into every possible location in the hopes of maximizing compatibility. Along with several nasty game-specific memory mapping hacks, we were able to get this functional for all games, but a hack is a hack, and bsnes has always been about eliminating hacks, and so with my dumping project, I began mapping out the exact memory layouts of each and every game in the library. This change brought with it the requirement for cartridge mapping information.
From here.
 

cheesekao

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If you don't pay for insurance, how can the USPS know the value of the package? The economics of the postal system would fall apart if every pacakage was insured for an arbitrary value.

This package was insured but not for the full amount, so that it's not insured for the full amount isn't USPS's problem.
So let's say the sender and buyer are both able to provide proof of the contents and value of what they sent. Would they be able to claim what they've lost?
 

tcrunch

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I'm flabbergasted someone would use USPS over a courier for something with this kind of value, in an age where even the cheapest of cheapo bluray orders from a discount seller on Amazon comes to your door via FedEx.
 

Cody_D165

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As much as I am all for the preservation of these games, with the way the market has gotten these days, the method here seems flat out insane.

I can't believe the collector in question agreed to send out chunks of his collection like this tbh.

One would think there has to be a better way to accomplish this. :|
 

tomhan

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Not sending it USPS registered mail is crazy. With registered mail each person that takes possession of the package has to sign for it so if it's lost there is a single person responsible. With a package that has the monetary and cultural value like this I think sending it registered mail would be ideal.
 

NandoGip

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amateur! how can you not know that USPS is the worst! why didn't you buy insurance! jesus christ!
 

Conciliator

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do you think it's possible that...someone just jacked it? Like if really no one has any idea where it went. Some dude figured out what it was one way or another and just had more interest a box of $10k worth of rare Snes games than he had in being a mailman.

EDIT: I agree 100% sender screwed up as well though.
 

daveo42

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I wonder if the person who has it only took it because they were aware of the amount covered under insurance as opposed to how much the games are actually worth.

hope they find the games :(
They'll probably find them on ebay at this point. Their best bet is that the person who stole the package is dumb enough to put the entire collection up in one posting.
 

RichiRamjag

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Sick of USPS. I can't ever trust that I get my mail on time if at all. No issues for years, but recently, it's been a mess. Lost my copy of the new deus ex a couple months back too.
 
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How can all those games just be "lost"? Where are they? Why doesn't USPS have to reimburse you if they lose $10k worth of shit?
In this case lost likely means they either got misplaced (could have disappeared somewhere in the facility) or worse case scenario is they were stolen.
 

Disagree Guy

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With the rising value in games (at quite a rapid rate) and the potential for one fewer of these carts to exist raising the price even more......



If a GIF could more accurately describe this scenario ^
 

Sandoval

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Reading the official forum post is pretty amazing. These people are acting like anyone outside of their community actually cares about this subject. Contact major news outlets... Put up a video complaining on Youtube in order to bring attention to the issue until the USPS uses their incredible pull with Youtube to get the video taken down?

The worst part is that I'm sympathetic to their cause and I think it's a great idea to archive all digital media before it's lost to the ages.

Unfortunately, USPS loses shit all the time. Even if it's less than 1/1000 that's still thousands of parcels a day. If something is worth lots of money, you insure it for the full amount that it would take to replace. I just shipped about $2,000 worth of Magic: the Gathering cards yesterday. I over insured them by $50 just to be safe (and more so to have a round number). It cost me about $30 in total to ship the package 2-day. Was it a lot of money to ship a package? Absolutely, but it's nice to know that I'm not stuck holding the bag if the package is lost.