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Can somebody explain to me the deal about Kid characters and JRPGs?
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No Means Nomad
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It's easy to equate coming of age stories with leveling up and becoming more powerful.
flintstryker
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I have no problem with the ages of the characters no matter what the game i play, i do have problem if the characters are annoying though.WrikaWrek[B said:
sankt-Antonio
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rykomatsu said:
there are so much better animes/hentais than bible black... but yes you are right
edit. now that you mentioned hentai i started to daydream about an urotsukidoji rpg ...
if we could only get the nice things....
edit2: wow there are so many uncencored wicked city / urotsukidoji vids on youtube... hehehe
rofl, not really. Its just that this entire thread is stupid. All logical reasons and answers have been given, yet you still fight it, because you don't like it. Therefore, you are stupid.WrikaWrek said:
youtube or google z brushRegulus Tera said:I don't get it.
that's like... unrated, or nc17rykomatsu said:
As for the "anime" argument, I'd like to note that there are plenty of animes that have grown adults as the main roles, whether its Berzerk, or, my favorite, Monster.
Or current cult favorite, Kaiji.
Its just a question of who the demographic is, or what the storyteller has in mind for the direction they want to go.
A Link to the Past
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No6 said:
1. The whole concept of Spider-Man was a TEENAGER getting super heroes. The fact that Spider-Man EVENTUALLY became an adult after ten years does not change what it is, and what it is is a comic that started with a teenager. I can use Spider-Man because it's an example of a famous American material that does this too - it's not just "JRPGs like kid stories lol". Spider-Man existed for teens back in the day, and was made a teen as a result. The fact that he becomes an adult doesn't mean it doesn't compare to JRPGs - where is there any opportunity to become an adult in these games? Most examples either don't have sequels or have unrelated sequels.
2. lol @ you seemingly getting all worked up over my statements. Why don't you complain about Spider-Man? I'm guessing because you want this anti-JRPG thread to succeed.
3. And Spider-Man has existed for well over four decades. Unless you mistyped, he's been a teenager for nearly half of the comic's life.
WrikaWrek said:
And this isn't a JRPG thing, it's an "any video game, movie, book, comic, TV show, etc." thing. It happens ALL the time, and it's because people like it. Star Wars is about a teenager, Harry Potter is about a teenager, The Lord of the Rings is about a teenager, Transformers is about a teenager, etc.
And Star Wars, why can't I compare it again? Yeah, super-realistic - teenager who lives with his aunt and uncle and does chores and goes to hang out with his friends. He has some experience shootin' womp rats, but that's it. I guess it makes sense that he can be one of the only survivors in the attack on the Death Star, and to be the one to accomplish the difficult task of destroying it. Mmhmm, perfectly logical, and no JRPG is that logical, I suppose.
Fenderputty
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sankt-Antonio said:a kids movie? did you see that movie?
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just to clear things up
LOL ... I see your point, but really I was only pointing out movies that had children as the protagonist. I was going to include Willow, but the main character was really an adult, just a small one. :lol
Prime crotch
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A Link to the Snitch said:
Actually Spiderman thing was all about being a teenager on highschool, Marvel has been scared shitless since ever of making him grow up.
How about a stable married relationship? No way! Let's magically make him single and jobless!
Darkpen said:
I didn't fight anything. I agreed. These games are made for a younger audience.
I'm just saying that there are grown ups out there too. And guess that's why FF seems to have some more mature characters right now.
I'm cool with it. The thread isn't stupid, you are just ofended, because you don't like people to question this, because you probably love this "trend" of kids in JRPGs.
A Link to the Snitch said:
LOTR is not about a teenager dude. Have you seen the movies? What do you think the trilogy is just about Frodo?
Or are you also missing the fact that Frodo plays a pretty different role than what the kids in JRPGs do?
Luke Skywalker was 18 when it began, and 22 when it ended, and he is the son of Darth Vader, and was trained by Obi Wan and Yoda in order to use the force and the lightsaber.
He wasn't some kid that suddenly picked up a sword and taking down true soldiers like it was nothing.
So no, it's not the same thing.
How old were Romeo and Juliet again?
Anyway, most companies go for the teenagers leads for many reasons, one of them being that usually a larger userbase can relate to a younger character (because they either are young themselves or were someday) than an older one, and many don't mind having a part of such userbase outgrow their products because the bottom of the pyramid is always being replenished.
Anyway, most companies go for the teenagers leads for many reasons, one of them being that usually a larger userbase can relate to a younger character (because they either are young themselves or were someday) than an older one, and many don't mind having a part of such userbase outgrow their products because the bottom of the pyramid is always being replenished.
A Link to the Past
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WrikaWrek said:
Well, yes, in a way, these games are made for a younger audience like Spider-Man and Star Wars were.
But they aren't, that's the thing - those two appeal to all ages, just like many JRPGs do. Which you seem to refuse to accept.
M3d10n said:
Bububu they weren't fighting in a war and not a JRPG
The Frankman
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So we can have pedolicious charas.
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Vangellis
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I think the biggest problem is I find the stories and characters to be too corny. Many times translation and voice acting is terrible or mediocre. God I still remember In FFX when they say you are fighting.... "Sin" I think that was my turning point haha. I think as they have become more realistic I have dislike them more and more. When the graphics were snes, ps it was more about the game mechanics for me. Now they try to get all emotional or cinematic and most often that fails horribly for me. Im too busy noticing that the characters look ridiculous, or too effeminate, stupid dialogue, or that its taking its self too seriously.
If you want to be ridiculous, or poorly written.. thats fine B movies make me laugh. But a B movie knows its a B movie. And before the jrpg defense brigade attacks, last jrpg Ive play was FF12. Im not up on them anymore since Ive grown out of them. If you feel you know some great ones that are unique let me know.
If you want to be ridiculous, or poorly written.. thats fine B movies make me laugh. But a B movie knows its a B movie. And before the jrpg defense brigade attacks, last jrpg Ive play was FF12. Im not up on them anymore since Ive grown out of them. If you feel you know some great ones that are unique let me know.
Metal Gear?!
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http://psx.ign.com/objects/014/014508.htmlSpeevy said:
sankt-Antonio
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Fenderputty said:
i see i misread your post - sorry!
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and you are right there are a lot of children in fantasy but there is a lot of fantasy without, while in jrpgs most are "childish" ... if it would even out this thread would not exist
(because i dont think the op wants every jrps being for adults... just some)
Could be (probably a part of the truth), but I'm not convinced that it's the only reason... Look at most fairy tales, they're often clearly targeted at adults (I wouldn't let children or even teenagers read some of the original ones, I'm not talking about Disney "rewritings" of course) and show many young or very young children.Kazenone said:
I think this might have something to do with the way most JRPG scenarii are written. There's often older characters on their side, but they use the youth of the main character as a way to describe the situation, world and so on. Older characters have usually made their own mind, it's easier to use a younger character to give more emphasis on moral (and other) questions that could arise.
What you really seem to be missing is that the thread is about a trend in JRPGs and you decided to counter that with a single example from a genre where Spider-Man was explicitly created as an expection to the rule.A Link to the Snitch said:
I responded to "where's the quality in "oh, hi, I'm an adult, I know basically all the stuff you need to know about the world, and I is going to save it!"?". It basically indicated that you're either a teen or a manchild who feels incredibly insecure about his lack of personal growth. Why would I complain about Spider-Man when he's not representative of the genre?
But please, continue to rabidly defend a tired genre convention.
I said he got married in 1987. If you had bothered checking wikipedia, Peter Parker graduated high school in 1965. He also proposed to MJ in 1978, so I'm guessing he was out of his teens by then.
Spider-man hasn't been a teenager for longer than most people on this board have been alive. The only exception to this is Ultimate Spider-man, where Peter Parker being a high school teen and the accompanying "real-world" issues that involves (including being harangued by almost every other adult superhero) is a major part of the story, and certainly doesn't come across as ridiculous as the JRPGs we're referring.
flintstryker
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â Narayan
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I like RPGs with older characters. Vagrant Story and Mass Effect come to mind. Pretty awesome characters in those, too.
Final Fantasy XII and the Persona games are pretty good with young characters.
Final Fantasy XII and the Persona games are pretty good with young characters.
If you haven't been generalizing JRPGs, then I don't know what.WrikaWrek said:
My point is, trend or not (and yes, I do recognize RPGs where the protagonist is between 8-18), this isn't a big enough issue to make a thread about it.
I mean, what JRPGs are you so concerned about to begin with? What games, as of recent that you actually care about, feature young heroes?
The idea of appealing to a younger demographic isn't exactly new or anything either. Have you forgotten what its like to be a kid again, or something? Are you so caught up with your changes in tastes that you are no longer capable of relating with the younger generation?
â Narayan
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They're just pedophiles.Oblivion said:
Beaten.dude said:
Even if they are teens, I like when "teen-ness" isn't emphasized. Like in Nocturne. Also, like Nocturne, DDS has a darker, more hopeless setting which I love.
Shit, sometimes its not even "teen" level. Look at Eternal Sonata, Blue Dragon, and Tales of Vesperia...I'm still trying to get the cutesy saccharine taste out of my mouth...and I've only played the demos of those games
The simple fact of the matter, I guess, is that JRPGs generally aren't "growing up" as a genre with its fanbase from the Snes/PS1 days. I'd wager that a lot of the fanbase from those days still likes the younger style.
but a lot of fans emphasize the story over the game play, in which case it helps to relate to the material. I tend to like gameplay better, but an rpg (or any game, really) more suited to my tastes in narrative would help me overlook the gameplay, whereas a super cutesy spiky haired JRPG might turn me off, even if the gameplay is fun.
Shit, sometimes its not even "teen" level. Look at Eternal Sonata, Blue Dragon, and Tales of Vesperia...I'm still trying to get the cutesy saccharine taste out of my mouth...and I've only played the demos of those games
The simple fact of the matter, I guess, is that JRPGs generally aren't "growing up" as a genre with its fanbase from the Snes/PS1 days. I'd wager that a lot of the fanbase from those days still likes the younger style.
Ferrio said:
but a lot of fans emphasize the story over the game play, in which case it helps to relate to the material. I tend to like gameplay better, but an rpg (or any game, really) more suited to my tastes in narrative would help me overlook the gameplay, whereas a super cutesy spiky haired JRPG might turn me off, even if the gameplay is fun.
Pimpbaa
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dude said:
Sounds like something I would say. Anyway, this is one of my major gripes about jrpgs. Makes it more unbelieaveable to me. Not like the games are realistic to begin with, but still. Some kid is not going to have the wisdom to lead a group or be a helpful part of a group that is trying to save the world or whatever.
Darkpen said:
I just mentioned 2 games in the op. I'm really not going to bother replying to you if you aren't 1st) interested in the discussion (you don't have to post in this thread) 2nd) keep acting like you don't know what's being discussed 3rd) keep overlooking what has already been said.
So really, if you aren't interest just don't post.
Oblivion said:
Yeah i don't quite understand that either.
Mamesj said:Even if they are teens, I like when "teen-ness" isn't emphasized. Like in Nocturne. Also, like Nocturne, DDS has a darker, more hopeless setting which I love.
Shit, sometimes its not even "teen" level. Look at Eternal Sonata, Blue Dragon, and Tales of Vesperia...I'm still trying to get the cutesy saccharine taste out of my mouth...and I've only played the demos of those games
The simple fact of the matter, I guess, is that JRPGs generally aren't "growing up" as a genre with its fanbase from the Snes/PS1 days. I'd wager that a lot of the fanbase from those days still likes the younger style.
I personally have a hard time believing that most kids even enjoy most of these RPGs, as they are just too darn complex. So yeah some part of me thinks that in reality is that even though they are grown ups, they actually like and want to play as these kids.
And what you say about the story is true. I don't grind my way through 40 hours of gameplay because the combat is so good that it makes you want to keep replaying it for 40 hours, but because of story.
Ferrio said:
Yeah i enjoy good RPGs too. Too bad that a big part of what makes a JRPg good is the story. IMO.
Did you start playing yet? Yuri's 21 or 22 and actually lacks a lot of the cliches that make most jRPG protagonists so childish and annoying. Which is weird considering it's a Tales game and they like their cliches.RSLAEV said:This is why I like Lost Odyssey, the main characters (so far) are actual adults, with adult voices. All in all it seems like a much more mature approach.
Of course I bought Tales of Vesperia and now it's back to
LoathsomeCorpse
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RSLAEV said:
No way. Yuri is one badass, grown-up man.
RurouniZel
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It's harder to tell a story with character development with a protagonist who's already gone through their growing pains. Much easier to sympathize with a character who's just discovering the way of the world when they're a teenager/young kid.
Projectjustice
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Oblivion said:
Agreed.
Lost Odyssey is the best JRPG i have played in years. Adult lead characters FTW.
Death_Born
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Yoboman said:
Basch: "I'M CAPTAIN VAAN RATSBANE OF DALMASCA!"
In all seriousness, Vaan and Penelo should have been deleted. Stop getting annoying kid all over my political intrigue!
AgentOtaku
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Question has already been answered well enough in this thread
...I will say though, being a parent now, these kinds of stories/protaganists, appeal to me more than they ever have in my life
...I will say though, being a parent now, these kinds of stories/protaganists, appeal to me more than they ever have in my life
SatelliteOfLove
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RSLAEV said:This is why I like Lost Odyssey, the main characters (so far) are actual adults, with adult voices. All in all it seems like a much more mature approach.
Of course I bought Tales of Vesperia and now it's back to
Who's a 23 year old badass. Try again
using the many cases of annoying kids with no real basis for combat skill like that one guy was rightly going on about.