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Capcom details the tech behind Deep Down; can't say if PS4 exclusive or not
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shinobi602
Member
Thanks, I'll put it in the OP.
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
It will likely be on both systems, no reason for it not to be.
SwiftDeath
Member
Yep it's capcom after all
Have trouble believing any of their "exclusives" are anything but timed
Yes because PCs and consoles are the exact same. :/
Dictator93
Member
Holy shit on the Voxel cone tracing.
Amazing.
Amazing.
Dead Rising 3
Devilgunman
Member
It's fucking Capcpom what do we expect?
Not what the article says at all. The footage we saw was on PS4. It CAN run on a PC like that but it doesn't need to.
Dead Rising 3 is being published by Microsoft.
If Deep Down is published by Capcom - and it certainly seems to be - I'd expect it to be day-and-date on both platforms, at least in western territories.
Very interesting.Cool interview. Shame we don't have a full translation. The original article has some buffer grabs showing various buffers used to make up the final image.
http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/series/3dcg/20130731_608483.html
Q
Queen of Hunting
Unconfirmed Member
hopefully next gen games use anti strophic filtering thats one thing that annoys me when playing console games
base shagohod
Member
Panta Rhei is a cool engine name.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Sony doesn't pay for exclusives. They have no need, their first party and second party network is big enough.
A Manta ray, in pants!
PSYGN
Member
Think they are still discussing it.
Sony may need to hand out more cash to let/make it exclusive.
I hope it would land on PC.
Yup, it screamed "next-gen" to me.
shinobi602
Member
I bet they do for Quantic Dream.
anexanhume
Member
Sigh.
Someone on YouTube called it panty raid
The Panty Raid engine sounds fine too.
Really want to see some other Capcom IPs on this engine. DMC5 (BELIEVE!), RE, Onimusha (BELIEVE AGAIN!), etc.
It wasn't running on a PS4.
Edit**
Wait... I misread that...so was it on the PS4 or a dev setup?
So confused, lol.
Yeah, noticed that the second I posted it.
That's what the demo CAN run on. Read the quote I posted in the same comment you responded to.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Second party.
Khalifa Jayy
Banned
Ahhh nice edit haha
shinobi602
Member
If I'm correct, Sony doesn't have any stake in Quantic Dream as company, not even partially. I may be wrong but that's what I thought. In that case, they're second party (which isn't even a real term really) as they have a development contract with Sony. So they're a third party with a contract. So they limit the potential of their games for...free? Sony is most likely paying them to remain exclusive.
Erm, a second-party developer is basically a third-party developer that the console manufacturer pays for exclusives.
Sony funds development and publishes.
That's progress - at least we don't seem to be arguing about it being a real game anymore.
Dictator93
Member
The reason why LP3 is using UE3 is because spark unlimited use that engine for everything... and then make incomptent and horrible looking games on it.
I would totally loose my shit if we got a next gen Demon's/Dark Souls that had these graphics.
Bummer LP2 had potential, they just needed to let go of the antiquated game mechanic.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Deep Down is a working title right?
I need this game.
I need this game.
It is. I figure it'll probably be called Into the Deep or something like that.
The article says that it run in realtime AT the PS4 presentation. It doesn´t say that it run on a PS4 at the PS4 presentation
But anyhow, like mentioned above: Ono stated that he played the game on a PS4, so it should run on a PS4 http://p.twipple.jp/0vG60
Only Japanese studios worked on MTF games [possibly because entire documentation for that engine is not translated to English].
Deep Down. Dragon's Dogma.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Yes, much like Sucker Punch and Naughty Dog were before Sony purchased them (which I expect them to do soon with QD). Sony pay them to create content exclusively for PS3, they don't pay QD to keep the content off 360.
Yes, it is a game that otherwise would not be made. QD are making the game for Sony and they are being paid by Sony to make it.
Ricerocket
Member
I really hope this plays like next gen dragon's dogma.
Loved the game so much on PS3 but it obviously has some bad frames and that loading is bad and got worst closer to end of the game.
Loved the game so much on PS3 but it obviously has some bad frames and that loading is bad and got worst closer to end of the game.
Most next gen lookng game shown.
Imagining what the dwarf from your avatar (w/ flowing beard/hair) would look like in a game like this makes me excited.
The article says that it run in realtime AT the PS4 presentation. It doesn´t say that it run on a PS4 at the PS4 presentation
But anyhow, like mentioned above: Ono stated that he played the game on a PS4, so it should run on a PS4 http://p.twipple.jp/0vG60
Imagining what the dwarf from your avatar (w/ flowing beard/hair) would look like in a game like this makes me excited.
KillerMan91
Member
MGS4?
LukasTaves
Member
Those DF shots make even more clear that we were actually seeing real time footage.
I took a glance of the watch article using google translate, there were some complementary info:
- 10-20 million per frame, 10x increase of the previous gen. However that's the amount of polygons per frame, it doesn't mean the scene is composed of 10-20 millions polys. For instance they have to redrawn any object that cast shadow for the shadow maps.
- To develop the engine and the game, they presumed Ps4 would be about 8 times more powerful than Ps3. From the specs Ps4 falls in line with they expected.
- The 30 shaders they are using are not comparable to previous gen shaders. With Dx9 and last gen shaders had to be much simpler because dynamic branching would destroy performance. Now they can have more complex/intelligent shaders and so they can use less of them to achieve the desired look.
- Apparently the Pc demo uses only 1.2GB of video ram (compared to Ps4's 2GB)... There's a explanation for that, but due poor translation I couldn't make sense of it.
- Apparently they are using tesselation for LOD, but not for drawing objects with higher poly count.
- For increasing geometry using tesselation, they used Catmull-Clark sub division surfaces, but that proved too resource heavy to be used everywhere. For the demo, it was only being used on the robe the witch was using.
- They are testing faster algorithms of tesselation that would allow them to enable tessellation on all drawn objects.
- For rendering they use Tile based deferred rendering, and for transparent objects they use a mix of foward rendering too.
- They talk about performances advantages of TBDR, but that is also impossible to understand, but I think papers on the tech shouldn't be hard to find.
- They seem to use physically correct shaders and area lights.
- They initially wanted to have real time GI using SVOGI (the same of the Ue4 demo). But creating and maintaining the octree was too heavy for the Ps4 to handle alongside the game.
- But the work done there allowed them to use the voxel cone tracing algorithm in more some areas. Specifically for the demo, this technique is used to handle the dragon's flames. Just like the UE4 elemental demo, voxel cone tracing allows an entire object to become emissive (in essentially, a light source). That was also used in the demo: The rocks and the shield that receive the flames become emissive of lights too.
- They talk about a 3d mega texture using GCN Partially resident textures. It could be useful for static geometry, and could be a way to get SVOGI working on the next gen consoles.
- In some place there they say that the flames propagation are actually simulated used fluid dynamics, and I think the voxel representation of the flames also helped that...
I took a glance of the watch article using google translate, there were some complementary info:
- 10-20 million per frame, 10x increase of the previous gen. However that's the amount of polygons per frame, it doesn't mean the scene is composed of 10-20 millions polys. For instance they have to redrawn any object that cast shadow for the shadow maps.
- To develop the engine and the game, they presumed Ps4 would be about 8 times more powerful than Ps3. From the specs Ps4 falls in line with they expected.
- The 30 shaders they are using are not comparable to previous gen shaders. With Dx9 and last gen shaders had to be much simpler because dynamic branching would destroy performance. Now they can have more complex/intelligent shaders and so they can use less of them to achieve the desired look.
- Apparently the Pc demo uses only 1.2GB of video ram (compared to Ps4's 2GB)... There's a explanation for that, but due poor translation I couldn't make sense of it.
- Apparently they are using tesselation for LOD, but not for drawing objects with higher poly count.
- For increasing geometry using tesselation, they used Catmull-Clark sub division surfaces, but that proved too resource heavy to be used everywhere. For the demo, it was only being used on the robe the witch was using.
- They are testing faster algorithms of tesselation that would allow them to enable tessellation on all drawn objects.
- For rendering they use Tile based deferred rendering, and for transparent objects they use a mix of foward rendering too.
- They talk about performances advantages of TBDR, but that is also impossible to understand, but I think papers on the tech shouldn't be hard to find.
- They seem to use physically correct shaders and area lights.
- They initially wanted to have real time GI using SVOGI (the same of the Ue4 demo). But creating and maintaining the octree was too heavy for the Ps4 to handle alongside the game.
- But the work done there allowed them to use the voxel cone tracing algorithm in more some areas. Specifically for the demo, this technique is used to handle the dragon's flames. Just like the UE4 elemental demo, voxel cone tracing allows an entire object to become emissive (in essentially, a light source). That was also used in the demo: The rocks and the shield that receive the flames become emissive of lights too.
- They talk about a 3d mega texture using GCN Partially resident textures. It could be useful for static geometry, and could be a way to get SVOGI working on the next gen consoles.
- In some place there they say that the flames propagation are actually simulated used fluid dynamics, and I think the voxel representation of the flames also helped that...
Probably just another Capcom spelling mistake.
http://www.tgdaily.com/games/45279-nvidia-and-weta-unveil-pantaray-engine
Maybe it's actually a new Dungeons & Dragons!