DriftingSpirit
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I'm not suggesting anything about how MH will sell on PS4 because I have no clue but using Toukiden as a measurement of how MH would perform seems pointless.
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Capcom wants to grow Monster Hunter in West, feels handhelds are limiting sales there
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Gotdatmoney
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DrROBschiz
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From a cost perspective it doesnt make a lot of sense to port the MMOs
Unless Sony is gonna host the servers
Hellraider
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You weren't leaving behind 5 million sales because the fanbase wouldn't magically transition to the next handheld generation. The question that Capcom had to answer wasn't PSP or 3DS. It was 3DS or PSV. And they were wise. They also at the same time merged the mainline with the portable series which was also another safe tactic since handhelds were a lot more successful and where Monster Hunter found its home.
Monter Hunter is not close to being a known quantity among anyone in the PS4/XBO/PC crowd, which is what this supposed game will be on. Monster Hunter being a "known quantity" in today's Nintendo eco-system is not a known quantity period, especially one that only ships 1 million in the west.
These people won't know what Monster Hunter is and they won't know that gameplay defines the brand, not the brand the gameplay. These are the potential misconceptions I am talking about that Sony/Capcom probably don't want anything do with when marketing this game primarily focused at the general action-adventure audience in the west.
LifeBrandRobot
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You can easily solve your problem by making the next mainline game multiplatform
Capcom.
Capcom.
I doubt MHFO has a big enough population to require a battery of servers to maintain. It's a very whale-heavy game.
Gotdatmoney
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You think calling it Monster Hunter 5 fixes any of what you're saying even if I entertain the series is not known (which I wont but its a waste of time arguing with you on that)
The entirety of your argument frames that they can call it w/e the fuck they want because pparently no one knows what it is :/
Psycho_Mantis
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I don't believe that rumour at all. I'm just going off from what Capcom has said in the OP.
They have Portable series for a reason
RE5 decision was made with a precedent of history as well as market conditions. Laughing at Capcom leaving money on the table when RE5 outsold any effort on the Wii numerous times over. Porting would be a hassle as well.
Then considering how much of their software is on PS4 and with such segments continuing to rise and their continued support of the PS4 system in the future, under what basis do you say KT are not happy/successful with PS4?
Yes you are. You claimed JP third parties have little to no success on PS4. I listed pretty much all major JP titles on PS4 to which you tried to make a half assed reply, with no basis on sales figure.
Naruto - 1.3 million shipped 1 week, biggest NPD debut
DBZ XV - 4 million shipped
MGSV - 6 million shipped in 3 months
Bloodborne - 2 million sold in 5 months
RER2 - 2 million
FFType-0HD - 1 million shipped first month
You also seem to feign ignorance on the context of sales in the case of D5/DQ/ToZ. Both performed in line with series expectations looking solely at NPD debut sales.
The sources are the publishers themselves. Their continued support of the platform, even producing exclusive titles for the PS4, alongside released sales figures and mentions in their reports (for instance SE 2015 AR) paints a clear enough message for anyone of their satisfaction.
Yes, it says this is the flagship title of this series part 5 and not a spin-off. Like, I'm not saying they couldn't just do a spin-off, but I can totally see the reasoning behind giving it a mainline title as well. Also it's a fact it's not known close enough to where Capcom wants it be in terms of brand awareness and sales.
My argument is being framed as; misconceptions can happen and Capcom/Sony maybe don't want any of these to potentially happen, no matter how small the chance is.
Astral Dog
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Its going to come to ALL
Da-Kid
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To be honest I doubt being on PS4 or XONE will move sales, and it would probably be dead in Japan. I think even with the NS having no userbase that it would still do better than both in Japan. They love their handhelds and NS is a portable home console.
As far as the west, since Monster Hunter is so untangled with Nintendo, I think it would do better on the NS as well, especially if they release amiibo's.
As far as the west, since Monster Hunter is so untangled with Nintendo, I think it would do better on the NS as well, especially if they release amiibo's.
Past console MH underperforming compared to portable entries + recent console hunting games bombing + Japan's console market being stillborn = don't need a fortune teller to guess the ceiling.
keltickennedy
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They just realized this? About time. I've been waiting forever for them to make a proper Monster Hunter game on current consoles.
Seriously, if Capcom isn't satisfying with the series' sales while being a 99% handheld franchise the logical step for expansion in the West is home consoles. My question is what brought about this desire to grow the brand overseas, knowing that with it comes the increased development cost that comes with developing for modern consoles.
Jawmuncher
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A RE5 demake for wii would have done much better than the demake they did of Dead Rising. I'd have been really curious to see that. You'd have thought they'd consider with the RE4 success.
pretty done
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Also the MMOs are bad so it wouldn't mesh with Capcom saying they're trying to grow the brand in the west. They know the MMOs suck.
It would be multiplatform. PS4 and Switch, maybe PC too. Xbox One I see no reason though.
dragonlife
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Dude, don't you remember? Jun Takeuchi said they probably couldn't even make RE5's menu run on the Wii.
An RE5 demake would have been cool to see on Wii for sure.
Gotdatmoney
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I remember talking about this with you in a media create thread. I honestly expect console MH but I dont know what form to expect it.
I honestly thought 4U would get a WiiU and PS4 port (I held out literally 1 until generations to buy a 3DS because of it) When it didnt happen it made me skeptical about the series appearing as mainline on consoles.
I'm still pretty interested in how its going down.
You cannot both say that MH is not known by the PS4/X1/PC crowd at all but then maintain the naming convention actually matters then. Do you not see the flaw in presenting that logic?
If they dont know what it is, why does it matter what you call it?
But anyway. Agree to disagree because this is going no where.
Which I always thought was hilarious, since the RE5 menu is such a blatant Metroid Prime ripoff.
Zack Zavage
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So it took them how long? The entire life span of the MH franchise to realize this?
MatrixMan.EXE
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I don't understand the people saying only Switch makes sense. Y'all forgotten Wii U and MH3U? I doubt Switch will bomb or do as badly as Wii U, but if they're looking to use consoles as a platform for increasing brand strength in the west, locking future games to Switch makes zero sense.
DrROBschiz
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Well according to some people in here Wii MHtri wasnt a complete bomb... I think it was a compromised game that didnt represent the best of what it could have been
It came out in the 360/PS3 era, wasnt HD, has a bullshit accesory for Voice chat that barely worked... Just compromised in so many ways and still sold 800K global
MH3U for WiiU... Best console effort to date. Had it all..... was on WiiU... which people didnt buy in the numbers one would expect coming from Wii
Cmon now
We have NEVER had an excellent Flagship Console title without something holding it back.
I say we have never given Monster Hunter a real chance to find its audience in the console space
Dude even the 4 chan rumor suggest that they just use Dual Branding to split the titles on multiple systems. Exactly the thing they did with Sony and Nintendo during the 3rd generation of Monster Hunter
No way they are doing anything less with the series than expanding its reach at this point
Wouldn't this mean that MH Portable is actually MH5 (as it is continuing the main games style and gameplay) and the supposed PS4/PC game is actually a spin-off targeted more towards the western audience? The other way around makes no sense.
Pejo
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A proper MH in HD on PS4 is one of my dream games. The assets are already started at least with MHO, which can look really good. The important thing is that the animation and "feel" of the game stay in-tact, which I'm confident Capcom can do.
Man I'm really optimistic with this news.
Man I'm really optimistic with this news.
Either agree to disagree or continue arguing, nothing in between dude.
There is no flaw in that logic because that is how marketing works for every product in this world. When something is presented as a spin-off, to a new audience that can create misconceptions when people in the known start discussing the product and compare it to the mainline title (that would be on the Switch supposedly). People will take it maybe less serious, don't take it as a serious effort from Capcom to expand Monster Hunter to the west, etc. as in a lot of worry goes into making something the main representative of your franchise. It's not complicated at all and it is exactly the reason why terms like mainline and spin-off properties exist in the first place.
mejin
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Ah, I was just thinking about SFV.
It's stupid to pay lots of cash for Capcom just to get a console exclusive.
Eolz
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If it was the other way around, nobody on /v/ would have cared, and nobody here would have made a thread about it.
I'm pretty sure many, many experts on here already excluded the possibilty of Monster Hunter ever appearing on PS4 as it's a Nintendo franchise. It has been repeated time and time again. We can safely ignore any comments Capcom makes.
But if they want America, then there is one place to be. And it's Xbox. Phil-sensei is waiting. The comeback kid is going to make the greatest comeback.
But if they want America, then there is one place to be. And it's Xbox. Phil-sensei is waiting. The comeback kid is going to make the greatest comeback.
Sho_Nuff82
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I think with NS technically being in the same ballpark of hardware as the PS4/X1, this isn't an either/or decision. Put it on everything (including PC), see where the sales pan out. If the sales are skewed noticeably, they can drop platforms as needed.
A hardcore online-focused action rpg doing better on a Nintendo console than on the PS4 in the West is not a bet I'd be willing to make, btw.
Spiral Insanity
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Man, Capcom is so fucked up. Now that Switch is on the horizon they are moving (possibly, maybe, probably not) mainline MH away from handhelds?
With Switch a thing, I would want it on Switch. (And Steam, and PS4, and XB1)
With Switch a thing, I would want it on Switch. (And Steam, and PS4, and XB1)
Eolz
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I know you're joking, but like last time you refused to reply about the kind of MonHun, there's a big difference between mainline, Frontier, and other mediocre spinoffs.
But hey, MonHun is on Vita, right?
DrROBschiz
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We dont know
All we can take away from this is that they are likely planning on expanding the MH franchise
I dont expect them to drop their Nintendo partnership. Switch will get games... they just wont be the exclusive place to play Monster Hunter
Movalpolos
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Of course being on handheld AND only on Nintendo platform is limiting. It took them this long to realize that?
Gotdatmoney
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Compare Generations to 4U and explain where the confusion would come from for a new audience? This is literally the most direct comparison you will ever get and I literally have no idea why you arent considering it valid.
And spinoffs can sell more than mainline titles. Generations outsold Tri didn't it? And I'm talking about the West where Wii easily outsold the 3DS for that comparison. Mario Kart outsells mainline Mario doesn't it?
Anyway. As I said. We simply disagree. I'm not saying your point is wrong. I just dont actually agree that it matters whether something is a spinoff but rather what the product actually is.
KirbYuuYuu
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Monster Hunter 5 is going to be an HD game regardless of what platform it hits, so I don't see a reason to be concerned that we are not getting an HD monster hunter.
MH doing better on handhelds is true, but we currently have no portable only systems beyond mobile. They will have to move on regardless. Hunting action titles like God Eater and Toukiden have made moves to be a console first game regardless on the install base. Like it or not, this doesn't limit capcom from trying despite the results.
It's a question right now of if it's going to be multiplatform or still exclusive and to what. (Xbox I have serious doubts on)
MH doing better on handhelds is true, but we currently have no portable only systems beyond mobile. They will have to move on regardless. Hunting action titles like God Eater and Toukiden have made moves to be a console first game regardless on the install base. Like it or not, this doesn't limit capcom from trying despite the results.
It's a question right now of if it's going to be multiplatform or still exclusive and to what. (Xbox I have serious doubts on)
Switch needs to succeed before it becomes part of the equation.
AquaWateria
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I honestly don't care what system Monster Hunter will be on. However, if they end up dumbing down Monster Hunter and stripping the things that defines the series for the West I'll be fucking pissed.
Then again I shouldn't be surprised if they went this route because its Capcom, especially after what they did with SFV.
Then again I shouldn't be surprised if they went this route because its Capcom, especially after what they did with SFV.
Movalpolos
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I know, right? Looking forward to the PSX announcement.
Someone in the know did say it was going to be very Japanese centered. I bet one of the big reveals will be MH on PS4.
letmetrythisname
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I'd love to see how MH could look on a nice PC/Scorpio.
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