Relaxed Muscle
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Giving your IP to a developer which biggest hit was HS who sold 1 million copies is not forward thinking is the same mindset that destroyed already other japanese IP's.
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Capcom wants to keep working with Ninja Theory, lock them down
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Giving your IP to a developer which biggest hit was HS who sold 1 million copies is not forward thinking is the same mindset that destroyed already other japanese IP's.
Maybe they were looking at the profit numbers? Capcom has quite a bit more data than we do.
ShinobiFist
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Do it, Capcom. For Japan.
call_kotaku
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Relaxed Muscle
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FlutterPuffs
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Clear
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Has everyone forgotten Devil May Cry 2? Capcom have a far from spotless record on their own internally developed entries, and lets be honest DMC4 wasn't nearly as good as DMC3 so its not even like 2 was the only deviation in a steady line of improvement.
For better or worse Capcom have rubber-stamped their approval on NT's revision, so who actually developed it is less significant than the publisher/IP holders franchise steering decisions.
For better or worse Capcom have rubber-stamped their approval on NT's revision, so who actually developed it is less significant than the publisher/IP holders franchise steering decisions.
Again, killing the design for who? I remember playing DMC a long time ago around some friends and an ex and nobody liked him. We don't care because we're gamers. But Dante if you take just one step back, was fuckin weird. AND he was designed over ten years ago.
Tons of major characters have evolved over the years. But TRENDY ones NEED to evolve. Dante is trendy and cool for a lack of a better term and cool changes does it not? Dante is not equal to Mario. Cute doesn't change much. Cool and trendy does.
They kept old Dante around for ten years and for some reason his design was booted. I'm guessing it was the above. And I'm guessing it was decided due to both Ninja Theory and Capcom. How can we keep Dante similar and freshen him up a bit? Simple as that.
Thankfully that series is such a massive hit in japan that it will probably never happen.
If capcom plans to make DmC into a mid-budget franchise with a new release at every couple years, buying NT wouldn't be a bad call.
Î understand the logic of the decision, that does not mean they made the right one.
They made DmC because they wanted the franchise to grow in the west, so they hired a developer which was known for delivering games that were praised for their visual experience and criticized for their gameplay and that failed to sell well. This seemed like a bad decision to begin with for obvious reasons.
Regardless of that we know now that capcom punched some numbers in a machine last year and announced their sales expectations for DmC to 2 million units, well bellow the numbers of Devil May Cry 4, and below any other entry in the franhcise. Instead of a growth Capcom is now expecting the opposite.
Just because a big company made a decisions, one which I think most in this topic understand, doesn't mean that said decision was the right one. And in this particular event, even disregarding the quality of the game, it looks as if Capcom made the wrong call.
Obviously we won't know until we see actual sales numbers, but considering even Capcom expects the game to sell bellow previous DMC games, I think it's unlikely we'll see the opposite happening.
Î understand the logic of the decision, that does not mean they made the right one.
They made DmC because they wanted the franchise to grow in the west, so they hired a developer which was known for delivering games that were praised for their visual experience and criticized for their gameplay and that failed to sell well. This seemed like a bad decision to begin with for obvious reasons.
Regardless of that we know now that capcom punched some numbers in a machine last year and announced their sales expectations for DmC to 2 million units, well bellow the numbers of Devil May Cry 4, and below any other entry in the franhcise. Instead of a growth Capcom is now expecting the opposite.
Just because a big company made a decisions, one which I think most in this topic understand, doesn't mean that said decision was the right one. And in this particular event, even disregarding the quality of the game, it looks as if Capcom made the wrong call.
Obviously we won't know until we see actual sales numbers, but considering even Capcom expects the game to sell bellow previous DMC games, I think it's unlikely we'll see the opposite happening.
KingItachi
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Dante is iconic. He IS on the level of Mario or any other instantly recognizable character as far as I'm concerned. They ruined him. There's no way around that. I don't care what reasoning they had, it can't justify it.
The Praiseworthy
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I would love for NT to make DmC2.... but I also LOVE to see them making their own games like Heavenly Sword and Enslaved.
I want HS2 and Enslaved 2 first
I want HS2 and Enslaved 2 first
You and I are in the same boat. I don't know what will happen either. But with Japan being a lower source of sales and an influx of competitors in Platinum Games and probably their foresight into both losing Kamiya and therefore the feel of old DMC they decided to let NT go forward with their own passion while retaining elements of DMC that they loved. Its an experiment for them as much as you. They're probably afraid of taking Kamiya head on and beating him at his own game. So what better way than giving NT a little more leeway. It might work it might not, but its better than giving NT something they weren't passionate about.
call_kotaku
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Again, Dante's character changed a bunch in every game. His visual design is directly linked to the aesthetics and mechanics of the game itself, not just some lego piece to pop in for maximum marketability.
NT changed him to a generic dude because it was afraid of Dante alienating people, not actually trying to make him an interesting character. They straight up took the dude from the Star Wars prequels.
Capcom fucked up, plain and simple.
If you think he's iconic and relevant then we'll have to agree to disagree. I loved him ten years ago, today not so much. He's stale to me.
They gave DMC away because it was a profitable franchise that they were doing nothing with because all the developers were tied up with Dragon's Dogma.
It worked. This game is going to sell well. The die hards that care/know about things like 60fps and particular combat elements don't make up the bulk of sales for the series I'm sure. DmC is going to sell well. It will have a sequel. Capcom have finally successfully outsourced a game (RE: ORC was a failure and I'm sure Lost Planet will be as well). You don't have to wait until the game comes out to know this. Reviews so far are good. Pre-orders are going well. People are excited.
Old Dante is gone for good.
It worked. This game is going to sell well. The die hards that care/know about things like 60fps and particular combat elements don't make up the bulk of sales for the series I'm sure. DmC is going to sell well. It will have a sequel. Capcom have finally successfully outsourced a game (RE: ORC was a failure and I'm sure Lost Planet will be as well). You don't have to wait until the game comes out to know this. Reviews so far are good. Pre-orders are going well. People are excited.
Old Dante is gone for good.
Before tar and feathering Capcom, one must consider the realities of third party development. First, it has been a bloodbath for third party developers and the pool is smaller. Second, the third party developers who have great track records and sales get to choose there own projects and often own their own IP. They won't work on Capcom's franchises. Third, not all developers are available all the time. Only a limited number are looking for work on any given time.
Top tier developers aren't going to work on DMC.
Top tier developers aren't going to work on DMC.
They dressed him up in Diesel clothes for one of the iterations. He's trendy so they gave him a bath. Again, I'm not your enemy on this. NT wants to come out fighting and Capcom is giving them a title bout. Wait and see.
I am certain Capcom is not above trashing new DMC and going back to the old one if it fails.
buddha0991
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Ok I love the DMC series, and I get why DmC has so much hate, but damn if the DMC fanbase don't act like whiny children. y'all need to think of better ways to combat DmC than acting like babies.
Ban Puncher
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New Megaman game announced!
Developed by Ninja Theory!
Enjoy your gritty reboot.
Developed by Ninja Theory!
Enjoy your gritty reboot.
DXB-KNIGHT
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Capcom busy with MonHun 4,
Jouranalist approaches : so Capcom why do you think of Ninja Theory's DmC
Capcom: oh Huh, um yeah good game gaijin company Ninja Idea is very good at making games we'll give them more franchise to work with like RE and Megaman, (goes back to work on MonHun 4)
Jornalist: So What will your company do?
Capcom: No answer.
Jouranalist approaches : so Capcom why do you think of Ninja Theory's DmC
Capcom: oh Huh, um yeah good game gaijin company Ninja Idea is very good at making games we'll give them more franchise to work with like RE and Megaman, (goes back to work on MonHun 4)
Jornalist: So What will your company do?
Capcom: No answer.
More Fun To Compute
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Ninja Theory get 7/10. You will like working with these game developers if you like working with people like this. They have worked hard to deliver the feel of a top quality game developer while being available to work for Capcom.
Great news I really like ninja theory's past games. Its good to see another independent developer staying in business. Do you really want capcom to use spark unlimited instead?
Not sure why there are so many people down on Ninja Theory, because they changed dante's hair color? Get over it already.
Not sure why there are so many people down on Ninja Theory, because they changed dante's hair color? Get over it already.
MuddyDonut
Member
I haven't read any criticisms from fans of the game, but boy they sure need to just eat Capcom's shit and take it like a man! Buncha babies I tell ya!
buddha0991
Member
Again. DMC is one of my favorite series of all time. DMC1 is my favorite game of all time, but no man. You cannot compare Datne to Mario.
Lol, thank you
Zomba13
Member
What other ways are there other than not buying it and voicing displeasure?
buddha0991
Member
OK SO, I find myself hating both parties in this matter. God damn. Ignorance on one side, elitism on the other. Lose/lose.
Zomba13, no that is valid. Its just so overdone. Maybe not here exactly, but overall.
Buying the HD Collection and giving it to friends? But yeah, pretty much nothing else to do.
It's mostly ignorance on the "elitist" DMC side. The whole situation is the very definition of dogpiling.
MuddyDonut
Member
Well the Devil May Cry series has sold around 10 million copies so his popularity is more akin to Fox, Shepard, Agent 47, Jak and Samus.
buddha0991
Member
No there is severe ignorance on the Ninja Theory side as well. More so I would argue.
"Not sure why there are so many people down on Ninja Theory, because they changed dante's hair color? Get over it already. "
Explain.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Oh well.
Yet another example in the long line of genius Capcom executive decisions
Just watch Jett for a few minutes
Yet another example in the long line of genius Capcom executive decisions
Just watch Jett for a few minutes
Takamura-San
Member
Yes. Buy them Capcom.
Onimusha is long overdue for a reboot.
Same with Dino Crisis.
Onimusha is long overdue for a reboot.
Same with Dino Crisis.
buddha0991
Member
I'll do this in the briefest way possible. Fundamentally this game is way more sluggish than dmc3 or 4, way less in depth, goes for flash over substance, while at the same time not looking as flashy. It is dumbed down. Broken in some aspects, such as Demon Dodge. Infinite aerials is not cool. Overall the gameplay is just not as tight, and the 60 fps wont help it when the game is designed around 30 fps. It is not a bad game, I am still looking forward to it, but the combat does not hold a candle to DMC 3 or 4. It is still competent though, but I get the fanbase's anger.
R
Retro_
Unconfirmed Member
Well that's a new one
Didn't think I could hate anything more conceptually than the suggestion that NT should work on Onimusha but hey
buddha0991
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Glass Rebel
Member
Being intentionally dishonest as usual, I see.
call_kotaku
Member
Again, the issue isn't that they changed Dante. They deleted his storyline and then changed him badly. They could've rebuilt the whole game from the ground up around a new character, but they didn't even bother to do that much.
Atleast after this whole ordeal I wouldn't find the plight of RE or megaman fans so hilarious anymore (maybe a little). First they came for Resident Evil, and I didn't speak out because I didn't like Resident Evil. Then they came for Megaman, and I didn't speak out because I didn't like Megaman. Then they came for DMC, and now everyone's an ignorant fanboy.
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