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News Capitol Police rejected offers of federal help to quell mob

DeepEnigma

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Three days before supporters of President Donald Trump rioted at the Capitol, the Pentagon asked the U.S Capitol Police if it needed National Guard manpower. And as the mob descended on the building Wednesday, Justice Department leaders reached out to offer up FBI agents. The police turned them down both times, according to senior defense officials and two people familiar with the matter.

Despite plenty of warnings of a possible insurrection and ample resources and time to prepare, the Capitol Police planned only for a free speech demonstration.

Still stinging from the uproar over the violent response by law enforcement to protests last June near the White House, officials also were intent on avoiding any appearance that the federal government was deploying active duty or National Guard troops against Americans.

The result is the U.S. Capitol was overrun Wednesday and officers in a law enforcement agency with a large operating budget and experience in high-security events protecting lawmakers were overwhelmed for the world to see. Four protesters died, including one shot inside the building.

The rioting and loss of control has raised serious questions over security at the Capitol for future events. The actions of the day also raise troubling concerns about the treatment of mainly white Trump supporters, who were allowed to roam through the building for hours, while Black and brown protesters who demonstrated last year over police brutality faced more robust and aggressive policing.



“This was a failure of imagination, a failure of leadership,” said Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo, whose department responded to several large protests last year following the death of George Floyd. “The Capitol Police must do better and I don’t see how we can get around that.”

Acevedo said he has attended events on the Capitol grounds to honor slain police officers that had higher fences and a stronger security presence than what he saw on video Wednesday.

Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy said that as the rioting was underway, it became clear that the Capitol Police were overrun. But he said there was no contingency planning done in advance for what forces could do in case of a problem at the Capitol because Defense Department help was turned down. “They’ve got to ask us, the request has to come to us,” said McCarthy.

U.S. Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund, under pressure from Schumer, Pelosi and other congressional leaders, was forced to resign. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell asked for and received the resignation of the Sergeant at Arms of the Senate, Michael Stenger, effective immediately. Paul Irving, the longtime Sergeant at Arms of the House, also resigned.

“There was a failure of leadership at the top,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said.

The U.S. Capitol had been closed to the public since March because of the COVID-19 pandemic, which has now killed more than 360,000 people in the U.S. But normally, the building is open to the public and lawmakers pride themselves on their availability to their constituents.

It is not clear how many officers were on-duty Wednesday, but the complex is policed by a total of 2,300 officers for 16 acres of ground who protect the 435 House representatives, 100 U.S. senators and their staff. By comparison, the city of Minneapolis has about 840 uniformed officers policing a population of 425,000 in a 6,000-acre area.

There were signs for weeks that violence could strike on Jan. 6, when Congress convened for a joint session to finish counting the Electoral College votes that would confirm Democrat Joe Biden had won the presidential election.

On far-right message boards and in pro-Trump circles, plans were being made.

The leader of the far-right extremist group Proud Boys was arrested coming into the nation’s capital this week on a weapons charge for carrying empty high-capacity magazines emblazoned with their logo. He admitted to police that he had made statements about rioting in Washington, local officials said.

Both Acevedo and Ed Davis, a former Boston police commissioner who led the department during the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, said they did not fault the responses of clearly overmatched front-line officers, but the planning and leadership before the riot.



“Was there a structural feeling that well, these are a bunch of conservatives, they’re not going to do anything like this? Quite possibly,” Davis said. “That’s where the racial component to this comes into play in my mind. Was there a lack of urgency or a sense that this could never happen with this crowd? Is that possible? Absolutely.”

Trump and his allies were perhaps the biggest megaphones, encouraging protesters to turn out in force and support his false claim that the election had been stolen from him. He egged them on during a rally shortly before they marched to the Capitol and rioted. His personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, a former New York mayor known for his tough-on-crime stance, called for “trial by combat.”

McCarthy said law enforcement’s intelligence estimates of the potential crowd size in the run-up to the protests “were all over the board,” from a low of 2,000 to as many as 80,000.

So the Capitol Police had set up no hard perimeter around the Capitol. Officers were focused on one side where lawmakers were entering to vote to certify Biden’s win.

Barricades were set up on the plaza in front of the building, but police retreated from the line and a mob of people broke through. Lawmakers, at first unaware of the security breach, continued their debate. Soon they were cowering under chairs. Eventually they were escorted from the House and Senate. Journalists were left alone in rooms for hours as the mob attempted to break into barricaded rooms.

Sund, the Capitol Police chief, said he had expected a display of “First Amendment activities” that instead turned into a “violent attack.” But Gus Papathanasiou, head of the Capitol Police union, said planning failures left officers exposed without backup or equipment against surging crowds of rioters.

“We were lucky that more of those who breached the Capitol did not have firearms or explosives and did not have a more malign intent,” Papathanasiou said in a statement. “Tragic as the deaths are that resulted from the attack, we are fortunate the casualty toll was not higher.”

The Justice Department, FBI and other agencies began to monitor hotels, flights and social media for weeks and were expecting large crowds. Mayor Muriel Bowser had warned of impending violence for weeks, and businesses had closed in anticipation. She requested National Guard help from the Pentagon on Dec. 31, but the Capitol Police turned down the Jan. 3 offer from the Defense Department, according to Kenneth Rapuano, assistant defense secretary for homeland security.

“We asked more than once and the final return that we got on Sunday the 3rd was that they would not be asking DOD for assistance,” he said.

The Justice Department’s offer for FBI support as the protesters grew violent was rejected by the Capitol Police, according to the two people familiar with the matter. They were not authorized to publicly discuss the matter and spoke on condition of anonymity.

By then, it was too late.

Officers from the Metropolitan Police Department descended. Agents from nearly every Justice Department agency, including the FBI, were called in. So was the Secret Service and the Federal Protective Service. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives sent two tactical teams. Police from as far away as New Jersey arrived to help.

It took four hours to evict the protesters from the Capitol complex. By then, they had roamed the halls of Congress, posed for photos inside hallowed chambers, broken through doors, destroyed property and taken photos of themselves doing it. Only 13 were arrested at the time; scores were arrested later.

In the aftermath, a 7-foot fence will go up around the Capitol grounds for at least 30 days. The Capitol Police will conduct a review of the carnage, as well as their planning and policies. Lawmakers plan to investigate how authorities handled the rioting.

The acting U.S. attorney in the District of Columbia, Michael Sherwin, said the failure to arrest more people is making their jobs harder.

“Look, we have to now go through cell site orders, collect video footage to try to identify people and then charge them, and then try to execute their arrest. So that has made things challenging, but I can’t answer why those people weren’t zip-tied as they were leaving the building by the Capitol Police.”

 

DeepEnigma

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The thot plickens.

sexy dean winchester GIF
 

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The hysteria around all this is pretty bizarre. It seems that it basically amounted to a few dozen people getting inside the building, then wandering around taking some pictures. Property damage was limited to a few windows and some A/V equipment. Unfortunately someone was shot by police under strange circumstances.

How did a few dozen unarmed protesters get in? We obviously have the video of police opening gates, removing barricades, etc. Lots of strange shit here. None of this really makes sense. It almost does kind of seem like something was staged in order to justify clamping down on the populace, and blaming Trump. I mean I guess it worked. Half the senators who planned on disputing the results backed off due to this shit. And they are trying to get Trump removed early with this as justification.

The whole situation is really odd. Something doesn't smell right.
 

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Like all manufactured media outrage directed at our president, time will prove he was totally in the clear.

The media just can't help themselves, constantly stepping in it, can they?
 
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Their perimeter was insanely huge and sparsely defended, almost like it was deliberate. Would be consistent with the 6 months of trouble beforehand where they rejected help and supported defunding the police. They can spin PR of anything in their favor.
 
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Why else did they let the protesters in at multiple points? We have video and pics.
Yeah I'm not arguing against, just prodding to get more details. Listened to a podcast today with a full breakdown on yesterdays event, and the difference in proportion to how BLM/ANTIFA act is night and day, same with the coverage. They are tacking on medical emergency death seperate and tacking it on, compared to the Summer coverage, they wouldn't even discuss David Dorn. They should of never went in, so stupid and so obvious it was a trap. It's fishy no doubt just like the last 2 months. Including fucking traitors like Lindsey Graham. But it works. Just listen to the smooth brains in here tripping over themselves with their cognitive dissonance and hypocrisy. IT FUCKING WORKS THO, the faux outrage, the selective bias, sad.
 

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No seriously.

I have supported investigations from the start. Go back to election night and onwards. I have on multiple occasions said that I support any legal proceedings that Trump and his stream want to try. I also said that I support any investigations that Republicans want to start once all this is over. My stance from the start has been "Prove it". I am not willing to support any action that disenfranchises US citizens and takes away their legal votes without widespread fraud being proven in court. Anything less than that is a disservice to our democracy and the people who participate in it as far as I am concerned.


If Trump can't prove it in time for everything to be certified then that's tough, but if Republicans want to continue investigating and whatever even after Biden takes office then that's fine with me. The Democrats did the same to Trump so fair is fair.
 

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This leads credence to the point I was making comparing/contrasting the Kavanaugh Hearings in the original Trump Rally Thread.

I Still don't have anyone explain in any satisfactory fasion how those #MeToo protestors were allowed in and not barred at the steps, occupying spaces and Senator offices, cornering Az Senator Jeff Flake in an elevator to harangue him, yet this was an insurrection.

Something is amiss and my eyebrows are rightly raised as one gets preferential treatment and the other looks to have something fabricated for optics.

I have to assume that the #MeToo protestors were organized and invited by the Democrats to run their circus. But here we have evidence, also on other livestreams that I mentioned as it unfolded, that it looks like these people were also invited in.

Now. Be honest and ask why?
 
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Fire everyone of these cops. Their one job is to protect the congressmen and they literally let people in. Makes no sense whatsoever.

I dont believe in conspiracy theories but I would like to see an investigation into whether or not the orders came from above. Cops are typically Trump Supporters but the Capitol police is sworn to protect the senate and the house, not the presidency. They literally broke their oath.

p.s it just hit me that the girl doesnt die if they dont let her through. she probably thought the cops wouldnt shoot because they were on her side. bad policing, period.
 
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Fire everyone of these cops. Their one job is to protect the congressmen and they literally let people in. Makes no sense whatsoever.

I dont believe in conspiracy theories but I would like to see an investigation into whether or not the orders came from above. Cops are typically Trump Supporters but the Capitol police is sworn to protect the senate and the house, not the presidency. They literally broke their oath.
They literally did the very same thing they did for Kavanaugh and all other prior liberal protests. Escorted them in.

Only difference, nobody was shot then, even when they barged into the chambers during the hearings shouting and holding the very same unarmed signs the entire way there.

The shit does stink, agreed.
 
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Now you decide to support full audits?
I haven't seen anyone here who is against audits. Audit away if it makes you feel better. I just don't need them to feel confident that the fraud narratives are clearly false.
 
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They literally did the very same thing they did for Kavanaugh and all other prior liberal protests. Escorted them in.

Only difference, nobody was shot then, even when they barged into the chambers during the hearings shouting and holding the very same unarmed signs the entire way there.

The shit does stink, agreed.
If thats the case then there needs to be a complete review of the Capitol police playbook. These people clearly have no idea how to protect the Capitol. This is America where everyone is allowed to carry a gun. You cant just let people in.
 
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It's definitely fishy. Congress is in charge of the capitol police who rejected national guard help. There's video of them opening gates and doors to the protestors. There's video of people kicking over some fencing and breaking windows too. Immediately Pelosi and others accuse Trump of inciting it and threaten with impeachment and sedition conviction.

If there's nothing underhanded that happened, they are making it as difficult to believe as they possibly can.
 

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Tim Pool interviews a journalist who was on the ground as it happened, this from his livestream yesterday:
 

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I haven't seen anyone here who is against audits. Audit away if it makes you feel better. I just don't need them to feel confident that the fraud narratives are clearly false.

I've seen a few saying that the audits didn't make sense etc but I falsely accused Nobody_Important Nobody_Important

That bitch came with receipts.
 
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Tim Pool interviews a journalist who was on the ground as it happened, this from his livestream yesterday:
Tim gets it @ 40 secs~ I've had on my mind for the past 2 days how to make a thread about it.

I think we all remember as a child how the whole class had to suffer because of the actions of one or two people, even if they could identify those at fault. It wasn't convincing then.
 

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I think we all remember as a child how the whole class had to suffer because of the actions of one or two people, even if they could identify those at fault. It wasn't convincing then.

And those one or two, if they made the class suffer repeatedly, got the living shit beat the fuck out of them after school like Lawrence from Full Metal Jacket. It pretty much damn sure guaranteed they didn't do it again.
 
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The left on here have made it clear they're fine with audits and investigations the problem is they have also cheered on all the Court decisions to throw cases out without evidentiary hearings. I haven't seen any of them voice concern about Dominion threatening lawsuits instead of obeying subpoenas to show evidence. And if there ever is an audit there's no concern if Republican observers are kept at a distance where they can't actually observe or even not allowed in at all.

It's all a bit like me saying I'm fine with Trump releasing his tax returns. The problem is I'm also fine with him not doing it.

Similarly on the subject of full investigations while we may all say we welcome it some of us also are fine with placing blame before such investigations occur. And should no full investigation occur I seriously doubt some of us will be withholding our opinion.
 
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Why else did they let the protesters in at multiple points? We have video and pics.


well cops are 80% republican and overwhemingly support Trump

Trump also had a huge hand in the event, triggered them going there in the first place coulda made some...calls.

all of this would result in natural leniency.

plus they're white so....they dont scare the cops as much

jokes people! kind of.
 
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And to think that there are millions of people that still support Trump after all of this... madness, and quite sickening.