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Caucaphobia: The Fear or Hatred of White People

TarNaru33

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I disagree. I think there is only one kind of identity politics.

I agree. That's why using someone's privilege, real or imagined, is a sure way to lose their support and/or put them on the defensive.

I disagree. I would argue the reason you see issues with this is because the mainstream media. The left, the democrat party, etc, are demonizing whites and blaming them for all the ills of the world.

I read numerous articles this week that made the claim that whites and conservatives have a problem with violence. The statistics indicate otherwise and they know this. In fact, the statistics clearly suggest that it is the black race and democrat party that has a problem with violent behavior. It is mostly blacks killing other blacks at an as to fishing rate. But notice how that detail is left out of the narrative.

If it truly is whites versus everyone else in this so-called "diverse society" then I question the value of that society and whether or not it is actually diverse.
There are 2 ways to use identity politics one that fights for inclusion and the other that uses identity for divisive purposes. Dog whistles are often associated with it. "they want your tax dollars to pay for them" etc. The Southern Strategy the Republicans employed used it significantly. That is using identity politics to exclude others, that is why I call it exclusive identity politics.

If one decides to remove their support or get defensive instead of understanding what they have over others, then that sounds like they need to self-reflect more, not others try to coddle them and act like it doesn't exist. The idea is to give perspective. All it is, is telling them "Hey, you know, in a predominantly White country, you have significant lead over others that you can use to help others get a step up too".

I don't know what articles you were reading and you didn't really describe what the issue is with them very well. Have a problem with violence in what way? If we are talking about purposeful indiscriminate mass shootings that seeks a high death count, then that is typically White conservatives more often than not, but I need to read the article before I can talk much about what you are talking about. Its no secret that races often kill more members of their own race than others. Its left out of "the narrative" because its often used as a deflection. No professional with any self respect would bring that up other than to counter it and expose the reason its mentioned.

You are going to have to explain the "and democrat party that has a problem with violent behavior" bit.

The reason its framed as White people vs everyone else is because as I said, the Republican party is predominantly White. The Democratic party struggled with the White vote after LBJ and the Civil Rights act he passed. I wonder why? This hasn't changed, the reason Democrats remain competitive is due to its economic policies and the growth of minority populations. The issues of race isn't new in U.S, I don't know why everyone likes to chant "mainstream media as if that changed anything other than exposure.

You can't question if a diverse society is diverse or not, its not like all minorities have the same belief and interest. For example, there is a sizable portion of Black people that are socially conservative (anti-abortions, child spankings, etc. A lot of this is due to religion), its just Republicans are extreme and do not have Black people interest at heart along with their economic policies.
 
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so what you are saying is that if you were in charge, you'd only use the good identity politics

and hey you goofy bastard, the civil rights act is probably more of a nixon project than lbj

 
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A lot of this is due to religion), its just Republicans are extreme and do not have Black people interest at heart along with their economic policies.
All of that meaningless drivel and you post the only meaningful words at the end.
The reciprocal is also true, African Americans don't have European American's interests at hearts which is why they have voter disagreements.
 
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Again, read that post over. I swear some of you just read what you want and come to entirely different conclusions. Its like you all purposely carry strawmen with you everywhere you go.

There is racism against White people just like there is "fear", its just the power dynamics involved makes it a negligible subject to talk about besides individual cases.

Systemic racism is the key word when people talk about racism, because obviously anyone from any race can be racist, but that isn't where the problem because an issue. Racism + significant power/control is where racism becomes a serious issue.
The problem with the likes of you is that you constantly use a lot of woke words and theories that you already asume as if they weren't a bunch of horseshit, and not only that, but also expect for the rest of the world to believe in the same bullshit you do and start the conversation from there.
 

TarNaru33

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The problem with the likes of you is that you constantly use a lot of woke words and theories that you already asume as if they weren't a bunch of horseshit, and not only that, but also expect for the rest of the world to believe in the same bullshit you do and start the conversation from there.
Woke words and theories, lmao.

I guess you are trying to say systemic racism doesn't exist? Are you an American? If so, are you really trying to dispute U.S's history of racism or are you trying to say racism don't exist in the upper echelons of society which determine the lives of Black people? I hope you aren't one of those that think racism stopped with the Civil Rights Act. Those racist White people back then aren't all dead and they still had influence over those that came after (their children, family, relatives).

How do you think redlining occur, cops shooting unarmed Black people (even on camera) and still not being charged with murder, and underfunded schools in majority Black districts? Surely, all of this can't be because 1 or 2 White people in a country with hundreds of millions of people are the only racist actors in the country.

Its not even just a problem in U.S... Ethnic divisions in which one side oppress the other happen in other countries.


Religion, eh? Too bad, I am not religious.
 

TarNaru33

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Yes, that does seem to be the case. I feel like most of the people that gripe about "Whites being attacked and oppressed" are the always online type, which skews their mindset.

I find it funny that no one seems to recognize White supremacist language and outright dog whistling in this thread by one poster in particular, however, many posters here thumbs up that post.
 
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How do you think redlining occur, cops shooting unarmed Black people (even on camera) and still not being charged with murder, and underfunded schools in majority Black districts? Surely, all of this can't be because 1 or 2 White people in a country with hundreds of millions of people are the only racist actors in the country.
"How do you explain all these bad things without suggesting there's some ethereal racism involved? Checkmate Bigots!"

Imagine being believing this a good way to conduct discourse. Perhaps people agree with my posts because they offer a better, more predictively valid way of describing the world rather than offering a solution to a problem that you don't even understand.

Your solution is to marginalize Europeans to stop variance between populations you brainlet. Getting rid of Europeans as a majority in European countries isn't going to make African Americans, Hispanics/Latinos, East Asians, of Ashkenazi Jews in the US equal across every metric.
The way you apply your logic, you should be targeting more successful populations than Europeans who are actively benefitting from this ethereal "Institutional Racism", like Jews or Asians, or US immigrant Indians, why are they so under represented in Crime, Poverty, and Poor Neighborhoods and so over-represented among the wealthy relative to their respective population sizes?
It's clear there must be some kind of Jewish, Indian, and Asian supremacy that permeates the US and is far more destructive than "White Supremacy" given it's disproportionately benefitting them at the cost of African Americans and Hispanics.

You would never talk about Jews or Asians this way though because they vote the same way you do, it's acceptable for them to be more successful, but those God-Forsaken Europeans who vote against my ideals in their own interests, they have to go!
 
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You can't question if a diverse society is diverse or not, its not like all minorities have the same belief and interest. For example, there is a sizable portion of Black people that are socially conservative (anti-abortions, child spankings, etc. A lot of this is due to religion),
I find this odd given that black people are actually over-represented in both cases.
I would expect a lead by example but nope.

In fact, both blacks and non-white hispanics are over represented in abortions, despite the claim they are "socially conservative".


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its just Republicans are extreme and do not have Black people interest at heart along with their economic policies.
Explain this. You want more government/socialist style economies?
Ironically, I would say those policies are hurting black people. Plenty of African countries have left-wing governments and yet the population isn't doing much better off.
Any Republican economic policy you think doesn't have the Black American's interest at heart, I encourage you to look at what the Socialist government in Zimbabwe is doing to its population.
Hint: It's not pretty.



Ironically, I remember having a debate on Neogaf and someone brought up the health of Black Americans. I asked them if they could name a single U.S lead famine and its impact on the Black community, and no one could name one.
 
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TarNaru33

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I find this odd given that black people are actually over-represented in both cases.
I would expect a lead by example but nope.

In fact, both blacks and non-white hispanics are over represented in abortions, despite the claim they are "socially conservative".



Explain this. You want more government/socialist style economies?
Ironically, I would say those policies are hurting black people. Plenty of African countries have left-wing governments and yet the population isn't doing much better off.
You mean those plenty of African countries that have severely corrupt governments? It won't matter if a country is socialist, communist, or capitalist if corruption runs rampant. Overall, African livelihood has been increasing by the way.

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I am not sure what the point of your graph is. I said "a sizable portion of Black people are socially conservative" and used anti-abortion as an example. Abortion is still favored among the public, but anti-abortion is also pretty strong. There are some other issues with using that graph because it goes a bit deeper than the subject of pro or anti-abortion.
 

Jon Neu

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Woke words and theories, lmao.

I guess you are trying to say systemic racism doesn't exist?

How do you think redlining occur, cops shooting unarmed Black people (even on camera) and still not being charged with murder, and underfunded schools in majority Black districts? Surely, all of this can't be because 1 or 2 White people in a country with hundreds of millions of people are the only racist actors in the country.
Thank you for proving my point.

You can continue with your crusade against the evil white people.
 

Jon Neu

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That doesn't prove your point.
Well, I understand you have to try and make the damage control, but yes, he is proving my point.

And it's especially laughable when all the arguments he has to confirm his theories are “redlining” and “cops shooting unarmed black people without consequences” and “underfunded black schools”.

He is just an empty parrot trying to score, don’t let him seduce you.
 
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You mean those plenty of African countries that have severely corrupt governments? It won't matter if a country is socialist, communist, or capitalist if corruption runs rampant.
What a dumb copout. You can be both socialist and still corrupt. But I'd still argue those socialist policies are what's helping to do them in. Case and point, Zimbabwe voted in the Mugabe regime, who seized land from the previous farmers living there. The end result, government doesn't know what to actually do with it and they starve. South Africa is also going down the same path. 20 years of socialist ANC rule and the country has gone to shit with some of the most bizarre government mismanagement ever.

Once again, it makes me question how is opposing Republican economic policies supposedly better when the examples of socialism in African countries are woefully behind the rest of the world.

Overall, African livelihood has been increasing by the way.
Am I supposed to be impressed? Once again, all African countries under leftist rule are still incredibly behind the living standards imposed on the U.S by Republicans. Especially the fact there has never been food shortages/famines under Republican rule.


I am not sure what the point of your graph is. I said "a sizable portion of Black people are socially conservative" and used anti-abortion as an example. Abortion is still favored among the public, but anti-abortion is also pretty strong.
Because they are over represented in it. Again, I expect a lead by example. Where is proof of them voting against abortion legislation? I remember reading NYC has some of the highest abortion rates among black people, yet which party has control over it? Which racial group also votes for Democrats at a higher per capita numbers?

Edit: From that website, it said 60% of blacks favor abortion, 38% against. In terms of real numbers, we know Conservative Blacks are a minority vs Democrat blacks. It's definitely not a sizable group that oppose it.
 
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TarNaru33

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Well, I understand you have to try and make the damage control, but yes, he is proving my point.

And it's especially laughable when all the arguments he has to confirm his theories are “redlining” and “cops shooting unarmed black people without consequences” and “underfunded black schools”.

He is just an empty parrot trying to score, don’t let him seduce you.
All of those are examples, not arguments, because anyone who is rational, not racist, and not an idiot wouldn't dispute those.


What a dumb copout. You can be both socialist and still corrupt. But I'd still argue those socialist policies are what's helping to do them in. Case and point, Zimbabwe voted in the Mugabe regime, who seized land from the previous farmers living there. The end result, government doesn't know what to actually do with it and they starve. South Africa is also going down the same path. 20 years of socialist ANC rule and the country has gone to shit with some of the most bizarre government mismanagement ever.

Once again, it makes me question how is opposing Republican economic policies supposedly better when the examples of socialism in African countries are woefully behind the rest of the world.
A corrupt government is not going to correctly implement socialist policy because it requires competence on most levels and corruption ensures that those who do know what they hell they are doing aren't put into those positions.

I don't even know what you are arguing against here, I am not a socialist and even the most far left candidate (Bernie Sanders as his goals more closely align with social democracy) isn't, so what are you arguing here? That Democrats are socialist? You couldn't be further from the truth. If you are trying to say this, then we aren't going to get anywhere.

Because they are over represented in it. Again, I expect a lead by example. Where is proof of them voting against abortion legislation? I remember reading NYC has some of the highest abortion rates among black people, yet which party has control over it? Which racial group also votes for Democrats at a higher per capita numbers?

Edit: From that website, it said 60% of blacks favor abortion, 38% against. In terms of real numbers, we know Conservative Blacks are a minority vs Democrat blacks. It's definitely not a sizable group that oppose it.
If you think NYC is and always was the beacon of progressive, that Democrats can't be racist, and has no issues regarding race, then you would be wrong. Its ahead of other places in U.S, but it still has significant issues.

If you think around 40% of Black people isn't "sizable" then I question what sizable means to you. There are a sizable portion of conservative Black people, many of them just don't vote Republican for the reasons I stated a couple posts ago.
 

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All of those are examples, not arguments, because anyone who is rational, not racist, and not an idiot wouldn't dispute those.
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Hahahahahaha

“Anyone who doesn't believe that everything I listed is racism and therefore proof of systematic racism, it’s racist himself!”.

I would never have thought in a million years that you would fall for that type of “reasoning”.

I'm totally shocked.