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CEO of HOUSEMARQUE: we are truly thankful to our publishing partner Sony, who has given us an opportunity to work on something very risky.

Bo_Hazem

Gold Dealer
Are they Sony first party? That is what people are talking not funding tiny games. Do we need to go over the first party release list coming upcoming yet again? Remasters and sequel city that people gave other companies shit for doing the same thing.

The only other company that does remasters right is Capcom, the rest deserve all the shit because they make lazy, garbage remasters that barely can be called "patches".
 
They bought the studio? Nope second party game lol.

Sony = First party

Returnal = game

Sony owns Returnal

Returnal = first party game

 
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SilentUser

Member
I'm happy for them. Hopefully the game will recover it's cost at least, they deserve it. Will try this game one day, just can't play it for now as I lack time and there are other games on my backlog waiting to be finished 😅
 

Bo_Hazem

Gold Dealer
Either you are trollbaiting or you do not understand the basic relationship between developer and publisher......

It's called 1st party because the IP is owned by Sony and published by Sony. Second party is a new phrase to make it more detailed but it's inaccurate in practice. It's like calling this game a 2nd person game because you have 3rd person mode and 1st person mode inside the house/ship.
 
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Bo_Hazem

Gold Dealer
He thought so generic .. avatar shooting things .. If we continue to adore simple games with PS2 gameplay, this will be the only thing we will continue to get.

When you go to a shop/groceries/restaurant you don't buy all the stuff they offer there, same with games.
 

muteZX

Banned
When you go to a shop/groceries/restaurant you don't buy all the stuff they offer there, same with games.


Here's another one, I've been playing games since Pong and Atari 2600. I don't need a Ryzen CPU with 10T GPU and hyperfast SSD for simple PS1-PS2 games, and the market doesn't offer anything else in this genre. Returnal is a simple AA action game.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
Simply wrong.
Sony is the publisher but they are NOT the developers nor do they own the developer. It is not a first party game simply by the official definition of that term.

If they paid for the game's development it is First party. Nintendo did the same thing with Platinum games for Bayonetta 2/3. Which is why those titles are locked to Nintendo's platform.

Nintendo owns the title of B2.

If Sony owns the rights to the Returnal IP then It is 100% first party.

First Party doesn't mean all internal development. It means games that are publishing and funded by said platform. Before Insomniac's purchase Spiderman was and still considered first party because of License ownership, and Sony published and paid for games development. Same goes with All other titles made by insomniac back in PS2-PS3 days. First party titles.
 

Haggard

Member
And Sony owns returnal

Holy shit you figured it out congratulations
Having an exclusivity deal with the developer does not make a game first party.
Owning the developer does.

If they paid for the game's development it is First party. Nintendo did the same thing with Platinum games for Bayonetta 2/3. Which is why those titles are locked to Nintendo's platform.

Nintendo owns the title of B2.

If Sony owns the rights to the Returnal IP then It is 100% first party.

First Party doesn't mean all internal development. It means games that are publishing and funded by said platform. Before Insomniac's purchase Spiderman was and still considered first party because of License ownership, and Sony published and paid for games development. Same goes with All other titles made by insomniac back in PS2-PS3 days. First party titles.
bullshit from start to finish. Owning the rights to an IP makes it exclusive but not first party. that term is exclusively reserved for the owner of the developers! Platinum Games are independent. And an exlusivity deal does not make a game first party at all......
 
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Thirty7ven

Sony make cringe trainers.
Either you are trollbaiting or you do not understand the basic relationship between developer and publisher......

It's a first party game made by a third party. Get it?

If Sony hired BumFuck Interactive to develop the next Uncharted....



So, Gears 1, 2 and 3 aren't Microsoft first party, but Gears 4 and 5 are?

Do you realise how daft that sounds?

MS didn't own the IP though, merits saying.
 
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Bo_Hazem

Gold Dealer
Here's another one, I've been playing games since Pong and Atari 2600. I don't need a Ryzen CPU with 10T GPU and hyperfast SSD for simple PS1-PS2 games, and the market doesn't offer anything else in this genre. Returnal is a simple AA action game.

Well, maybe you've reached the end road of gaming, honestly. Trying playing new genres that you usually hate/don't like, this might bring some refreshing experiences to you.
 

lh032

I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
Here's another one, I've been playing games since Pong and Atari 2600. I don't need a Ryzen CPU with 10T GPU and hyperfast SSD for simple PS1-PS2 games, and the market doesn't offer anything else in this genre. Returnal is a simple AA action game.
its time to retire gaming, boomer.
 

Tomeru

Member
Sony definitely felt the PR pressure from Jason Schreiers article lol. Jim Ryan, Hermen Hulst and now Returnal dude are doing some funky interviews.
Not that I mind it much, but it is indeed funny.

Returnal reviews today. I hope it can get a good a really good score (like higher than 75) and the game looks fresh and would be a welcome addition to console exclusives we currently lack so much (from all 3 main players !).
What article?
 

Papacheeks

Banned
Having an exclusivity deal with the developer does not make a game first party.
Owning the developer does.


bullshit from start to finish. Owning the rights to an IP makes it exclusive but not first party. that term is exclusively reserved for the owner of the developers! Platinum Games are independent. And an exlusivity deal does not make a game first party at all......

Yea, I think it's considered more second party if the platform holder pays for development. WHile third party is split with publishing rights.
 

Haggard

Member
That's absolutely wrong. Owning the IP makes it first party. The developer doesn't matter. Sony could contract any developer to make a game for the IP.
nonsense.
First party is exclusively defined as "developed in-house". Look it up.....
 
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MS didn't own the IP though, merits saying.

I know but now that they've bought it, the argument is basically

Because Gears 1, 2 and 3 were developed by Epic those games are third party

Because Gears 4, and 5 was developed by Coilition those are first party

It's just taking something incredibly simple and convulting it
 

Three

Member
They bought the studio? Nope second party game lol.
There is no such thing as a second party game. It's a first party game.

What would Halo Infinite be considering they had to hire SperaSoft to help development? Second and a half party?

A game is either first party or third party. Returnal is a first party game. It is entirely owned by Sony.
 

Bo_Hazem

Gold Dealer
Having an exclusivity deal with the developer does not make a game first party.
Owning the developer does.


bullshit from start to finish. Owning the rights to an IP makes it exclusive but not first party. that term is exclusively reserved for the owner of the developers! Platinum Games are independent. And an exlusivity deal does not make a game first party at all......

It's not an exclusivity deal though, it's Sony owning this IP and Housemarque "can't" publish this game anywhere. Just like Sony owns Demon's Souls and Bloodborne and FromSoftware can't do shit about it if they wanna make sequels via other devs.

Returnal is like paying a good cook to come home and cook for you, you own the food and you pay for the cook and the food and you own the recipe.

Exclusivity deal is like going to an existing restaurant and strike an exclusive deal with them to only provide food for your company for a limited time, while the recipe is theirs and can offer the same food for other customers later or make an upgraded (sequel) recipe and offer it publicly (multiplats).
 

kikkis

Member
I don't get the whole risky thing. I mean if the game is very good and fun to play then there isn't that much of risk involved. And if the game devs cant tell the game they are making is fun, then why are they game devs to begin with?
 
Facts don`t give a damn about how they sound to you. exclusivity deals != first party. At best wrongfully called 2nd party.

You think Returnal is an exclusivity deal?

If i'm hired to make a product that you ultimately own, that's not an exclusivity deal, that's just you hiring me to make something for you.
 
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Haggard

Member
I know but now that they've bought it, the argument is basically

Because Gears 1, 2 and 3 were developed by Epic those games are third party

Because Gears 4, and 5 was developed by Coilition those are first party

It's just taking something incredibly simple and convulting it
Yes, it is incredibly simple. Devloped in-house => first party, developed by an independent studio 2nd or 3rd party depending on the type of contract.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
So, Gears 1, 2 and 3 aren't Microsoft first party, but Gears 4 and 5 are?

Do you realise how daft that sounds?

Gears 1-3 at the time were developed by Epic, the IP's were exclusive to Microsoft. But license wise xbox didnt own it. It was similar to Platinum games with Nintendo which is more of a second party. As in all publishing and development is paid by the platform holder/company but the developer isn't owned by them.

Insomniac before their purchase it was weird, because Sony owned the IP's, but at the time not insomniac. I guess it was second party, but the games. licenses and ip's 100% owned by SOny at the time. It gets murky to be honest. I know for the most part a lot of first party is defined by internal studio development from the platform holder.

But if you own the rights to the ip and exclusively work with a specific developer the only thing that makes it not first is internal studio ownership, even if Sony/MS are paying for everything.
 
Yes, it is incredibly simple. Devloped in-house => first party, developed by an independent studio 2nd or 3rd party depending on the type of contract.

So Naughty Dog is a first party studio because they were developed in-house?

Is Insomniac still a third party studio then?

 

Bo_Hazem

Gold Dealer
Returnal features a lot of the things we expect from modern first-party PlayStation games: stunning visuals, a strong narrative element and a focus on single-player.


Half a year out from the launch of the console globally and roughly three months since the India PS5 launch, I get to check if Returnal is ready to carry the heavy burden of being essentially the only first-party PS5 game until Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart is out.


First party game doesn't always mean first party studio. Let's not mix.
 

Haggard

Member
Exactly

Insomniac is Sony owned therefore it's first party

Naughty Dog is Sony owned therefore its first party

Returnal is Sony owned therefore its first party
Still pretending to not understand the difference between "publishing" and "development", I see....
Comissioned independent work can never be first party.
 
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Thirty7ven

Sony make cringe trainers.
So we`re into semantics now.....
Exclusivity deal, comissioned work...simply doesn`t matter. Both cases disqualify the product as first party.

Developers =/= games.

Housermaque is a third party developer. Sony doesn't own them.

Returnal is first party game and IP. Sony owns it.

If I go on google...


(Demon Souls is a first party game, BluePoint is a third party developer)


(Resistance is a First party game, Insomniac was a third party developer)


PS: Don't forget that Returnal wasn't developed just by Housemarque, it will have involved Sony VASG and maybe even others.
 
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Papacheeks

Banned
Exactly

Insomniac is Sony owned therefore it's first party

Naughty Dog is Sony owned therefore its first party

Returnal is Sony owned therefore its first party

I think his point is Sony doesn't own Housemarque. So there for it falls in that Second/Third party. i thought if you owned the IP regardless of internal/external studio it was considered first party. But I guess it seems that if the studio is internal it makes it first party?
 
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