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Cherno reacts on Dirt 5 running on XSX ''What can anyone say about this''

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I agree with him based on that footage. That gameplay looked like ass, until the weather started to change and it looked okay.

Which is odd because I think I remember seeing footage that I thought looked great.
 
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Playing into console warring is stupid as hell, especially in a multiplatforms title. Just imagine if this was the ps5 that he was downplaying, and all the ones making fun of Xbox, were now the ones getting laughed at by the Xbox crowd. It would be stupid, either way this was spun. Ps5 version won't look any better, in fact it might look worse, which is why this is silly to begin with. At the same time, when DF does comparisons, I wonder if these same warriors would be talking the same talk? Which is why the console war is fucking retarded. Enjoy the games.
 
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The "war" was fun when I was twelve, but now its annoying that every thread whether PC/PS/XB devolves into people taking jabs at each others platform of choice, we are barely discussing stuff anymore.

There is no way to NOT read into this video specifically as being someone playing into the war, if it wasnt he wouldnt bother making an apology to Xbox fans now would he? He wouldnt make a comment like "maybe something is going on at Xbox", He wouldnt blame the hardware....all these things are him playing into the war....which is fine, its a personal channel, hes not a journo, and if it gets views why not.
He knew he would get alot of likes from people who want XB to be ground down.
Hes not stupid.
That's funny, considering you are literally doing the same thing here in this thread.
 

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I wonder what he'd say about the XSX version of Gears 5 or FH4? At least those aren't multiplatform games. Maybe he should stick to games he has actually played. His take isn't any more insightful then the average PS fan here which explains his popularity.
 

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I wonder what he'd say about the XSX version of Gears 5 or FH4? At least those aren't multiplatform games. Maybe he should stick to games he has actually played. His take isn't any more insightful then the average PS fan here which explains his popularity.
Than maybe you should send him footage of those games, instead of bitching about his well deserved popularity
 

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This kind of clickbait crap will get him YouTube views, but good luck getting hired as a "game developer."
He left Frostbite melbourne on good terms. He could get a job anytime he wants. Software programmers and engineers are super sought after because of the amount of code language and systems you have to know for compiling game and engine code.

The fact he himself is building his own engine will literally land him a job anywhere he would want to work.
 

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I thought it looked really good, maybe I don't play enough current games?
 

Papacheeks

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Not this unemployed clown again. Some of you guys are desperate for fuel for your war.
He's self employed, and if you remotely knew wtf you were talking about you would know why he left EA and working for a big company all together to better learn stuff before he went back to building software engines, builds, and tools for games. But I guess looking at the video posted here about him and his past with Firemonkey studios isn't enough or to hard for you to watch.

Jesus my ignore list is sure growing.
 
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He's self employed, and if you remotely knew wtf you were talking about you would know why he left EA and working for a big company all together to better learn stuff before he went back to building software engines, builds, and tools for games. But I guess looking at the video posted here about him and his past with Firemonkey studios isn't enough or to hard for you to watch.

Jesus my ignore list is sure growing.
'Self employed", lol okay.

He probably got fired for incompetence.
 
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DarkMage619

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Oh I see how this works. Now people have to actually play Halo infinite and Dirt 5 to appreciate their tech. They just appear to look like shit. Cool.
DF did a breakdown of Dirt 5 too. They were able to discuss the games pros and cons and did it in an objective way. This guy made fanboy claims and didn't actually play it. What value does making a video complaining about the games appearance add? If you liked his video good for you but I thought his hot take was as crap as Dirt 5 and Halo Infinite.
 

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Lots of discussion about an unfinished 3rd party multiplatform driving game.

The boards are going to be soo busy when all this stuff actually comes out.
 
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DF did a breakdown of Dirt 5 too. They were able to discuss the games pros and cons and did it in an objective way. This guy made fanboy claims and didn't actually play it. What value does making a video complaining about the games appearance add? If you liked his video good for you but I thought his hot take was as crap as Dirt 5 and Halo Infinite.
I have no problem with your preference. DF make good and insightful videos, I like them very much. But sometimes it seems they are just beating around the bush. I just like the way Cherno handles it.
You can say that Dirt doesn't look that good, but offers 120 FPS or you can say: Let's be honest, it looks like shit. Not next gen at all. I can handle both perspectives.
 
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I have no problem with your preference. DF make good and insightful videos, I like them very much. But sometimes it seems they are just beating around the bush. I just like the way Cherno handles it.
You can say that Dirt doesn't look that good, but offers 120 FPS or you can say: Let's be honest, it looks like shit. Not next gen at all. I can handle both perspectives.
I agree with EVERYTHING you said, no exceptions. The issue I have is that it is a multiplatform game. And the footage we have seen is more than likely the best version between the consoles. Instead of "The Xbox SX gameplay looks like shit", he should have been honest and said the GAME looks like shit, as it won't look any better on ps5, especially as both support the 120fps/hz mode.

Anyone with a platform, shouldn't be partaking in these console wars, as it only causes more bs on these forums. That's from BOTH sides.
 
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Let's face it, it's not that bad.
I think you can't compare a game with 12 cars on track with another game with just one car.
A better comparison would be Forza Horizon 4, which looks better than Dirt 5, but it is also a first party game.
After all, if this game can achieve 120fs, this means it's not intended to be a next gen game. Take this game for what it is, a 120fps old gen game.
 

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I have no problem with your preference. DF make good and insightful videos, I like them very much. But sometimes it seems they are just beating around the bush. I just like the way Cherno handles it.
You can say that Dirt doesn't look that good, but offers 120 FPS or you can say: Let's be honest, it looks like shit. Not next gen at all. I can handle both perspectives.
Of course it doesn't look nextgen it is a cross generation game on 8 platforms. That is where you and this guy go wrong to expect nextgen from a cross generation game on 8 platforms launch day. I'm sure you expect subway to be Michelin star restaurant to lol.
 

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Instead of "The Xbox SX gameplay looks like shit", he should have been honest and said the GAME looks like shit
Yes, ok. I see your point. He shouldn't link the footage directly to XSX. As I understand him the footage was presented to him in suggestion of XSX hardware performance. But I think his Halo critique was legit, while DF seemed to be hovering around the obvious. But yes, I see what you mean in this particular case.
 

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'Self employed", lol okay.

He probably got fired for incompetence.
He left, watch the video on it. He gave super detailed valid reasons why he left. He wanted to learn more on things he didn't have a super good understanding on when it come to certain aspects of software/engine development. They offered him a higher position, and he felt that he did not at the time have the experience to feel comfortable in the position on top of just getting married, and wanting to spend more time with this wife and youtube channel.

Here's another third party game that he did a video on:


He talks about lighting, global illumination, focus/bluring,

He even mentions not to take these type of videos super serious. Like i love how tons of people got butthurt over this guy.

It's just someone opinion its not gospel.
 
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It's clear as day what he was doing and how he was framing the whole video, its that Sony fans are trying to prop up anyone that is pro-Sony since they got pissed at DF, yet all were happy when DF started and the PS4 had the edge on the the Xbox One. Ever since the One X and especially the Series X reveal they knew what is coming up and are trying to discredit DF any which way they can, while propping up someone else that leans their way not matter how disingenious they are with their defense of this guy.

A capable engine developer wouldn't waste his time making videos on YouTube, he would be working for a established developer on a established engine not on little engine projects that isn't going anywhere. Especially since he claimed the knowledge he picked up on what game engines need and don't need while he was an intern. This guy is transitioning into a YouTuber, he isn't getting another job in the industry.
To the bolded, I wouldn't honestly go this far on Cherno TBH. There's a lot of technically-minded people not just on YT but on other spots too who most likely may not be actively involved in the gaming industry, but still know a lot in terms of technical knowledge. There's people I watch content of and read content of, who very likely aren't in the games industry at this time, and for all I know may not have ever been in the industry in the past. But I don't hold any of that against them in terms of judging their expertise on various topics. If those are topics I also happen to do a lot of reading into, I'll be able to tell whether they're BSing or being legit. In either case, it gives me an opportunity to potentially learn something I may not have known before or may not have known as proficiently before.

To the other stuff though, I don't know if i could say with certainty Cherno is pro-Sony. Their channel came to my attention at the time of the UE5 demo. This recent video is the closest he's gotten to outright badmouthing MS or Xbox, which is the reason I compared him to Innocenceii, a content creator who's on multiple occasions manipulated representations of data and obfuscated facts to make non-Sony platforms look comparatively worst than they actually are. People are trying to say "well it's not Cherno's job to go find better footage"...to that I said if he was honest in wanting to see something he'd consider better footage of games on Series X, I'm pretty sure someone out of his fanbase also suggested the new Valhalla footage...and yet that's not what he decided to do a reaction to, now is it? Will he pivot to doing a reaction to Yakuza: Like A Dragon on Series X instead? Because there's been a somewhat similar amount of FUD generated around Series X and MS for that game as well, it's another "easy target", as it were, though it ignores that whatever perceived visual shortcomings are present, would be on the developers more or less, not the system itself.

In a world with people not as diametrically opposed to one another, it shouldn't be hard to be both pro-Sony and pro-Microsoft simultaneously, yet here we are, in large part due to irresponsible games "journalists' desperate for any clicks they can get. Content creators on spots like YT have generally usurped the position journalists used to have (in terms of being the go-to for regular gamers to get their info and impressions from), to the point where now even game journalists have been transitioning into content creators. So it's like it was said earlier, whether people like Cherno realize that or not, or even like it or not, they have a responsibility to encourage healthier discourse. This latest video of theirs...did not encourage healthier discourse. There are a million other ways he could've gotten his reaction and points across without the video coming off the way it did.

I don't expect these content creators to do anything to satisfy my own sense of journalistic responsibility or whatever, but I also try not writing these sorts off completely. Again out of the reactions of his I've seen this is the first one that was off the mark, but I'll be able to see where they really land with the next reaction or two, although that reaction would depend on any sudden new game footage reveals to analyze. If they by some chance conveniently skip literally every Series X gameplay footage that's actually tasty, and choose to do something like, say, a reaction to IGN's Yakuza footage, and peg the same framing towards Xbox in general once again, that will be what lets me know what's really what. I can consider this a one-off for now, but I also hope some of the people who've been, ahem, "at odds" with my perspective here, see what the real crux of my POV is.
 

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DF did a breakdown of Dirt 5 too. They were able to discuss the games pros and cons and did it in an objective way. This guy made fanboy claims and didn't actually play it. What value does making a video complaining about the games appearance add? If you liked his video good for you but I thought his hot take was as crap as Dirt 5 and Halo Infinite.
That's because DF, and the other YouTubers, were given access to the Series X and DIRT 5 etc with strict guidelines on what they can talk about and what they cannot talk about.

As we've seen directly from those people themselves they've been explicitly told to avoid talking about some of the negative aspects of Series X and that's why in the DF video every other sentence is 'this is final', 'this is unfinished'. Doesn't mean it will look miraculously better but it tempers expectations and they've almost certainly been told they should highlight that it is an unfinished game.

This guy hasn't been granted access and can just make a comment piece on the footage he is seeing. He is free of the burden of NDAs and contracts and agreements in exchange for free toys being given to him, hence the difference in objectivity.
 
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We have his side of that story and nothing more.
EA layed off 50 Firemonkey staff in 2019.
From my understanding he was given a fulltime position within Frostbite team. But chose to continue his youtube, and do other things.

That's because DF, and the other YouTubers, were given access to the Series X and DIRT 5 etc with strict guidelines on what they can talk about and what they cannot talk about.

As we've seen directly from those people themselves they've been explicitly told to avoid talking about some of the negative aspects of Series X and that's why in the DF video every other sentence is 'this is final', 'this is unfinished'. Doesn't mean it will look miraculously better but it tempers expectations and they've almost certainly been told they should highlight that it is an unfinished game.

This guy hasn't been granted access and can just make a comment piece on the footage he is seeing. He is free of the burden of NDAs and contracts and agreements in exchange for free toys being given to him, hence the difference in objectivity.
Also he doesnt have the tools or NDA to do a analysis like DF does. They got press code, and a series x sent to them. CHerno has none of that. He's going off of what he sees and his knowledge of graphics/software systems.
 
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And I ask again, is that what we should now expect from Xsex? To match and not exceed the PS5 on mulitplats?
No one said that we don’t know what resolution or how they’ll match up we just have to wait to see how the head to head goes at launch and when both systems have their bearings by developers and see how it is then.